Brussels Terrorist Attack: ISIS Claims Responsibility

[Robert Bork]

Indirectly or directly, It doesn't matter.

The outcome is still discrimination.

It matters because you mischaracterized Wilders.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Indirectly or directly, It doesn't matter.

The outcome is still discrimination.

It matters because you mischaracterized Wilders.

I don't really see it.

He still said something that could indirectly lead to police discrimination.

If that happens, hello 80's America police.

[Robert Bork]

It matters because you mischaracterized Wilders.

I don't really see it.

He still said something that could indirectly lead to police discrimination.

If that happens, hello 80's America police.

Your connection is extremely tenuous.

You don't need Geert Wilders to tell you that Moroccan immigrants disproportionately commit crime.

Numbers can already do that.

[Saint Jade IV]

At this point it's clear that Geert Wilders is a troll and demagogue.

I've seen him employ plenty of statistics and verses from the Quran. You don't have to agree with them, of course, but that's reasoning based on information and not emotion. He does not appeal to people's emotions any more than any other politician does. To say otherwise is just confirmation bias.

People regularly employ Bible verses to prove the same thing about Christianity. Christian parents often employ child discipline practices that result in death, especially within certain evangelical circles. But for some reason, no politician has the balls to stand up for children and state that Christianity has a problem with child abuse.

Hell, in my country, a program which was working to create safe environments for LGBTIQ kids, and funded to the paltry sum of $8 million a year was recently pushed out of schools by right-wing Christian zealots, despite the chaplaincy program being funded to the tune of $248 million, and being restricted to Christians. Christians who have been proven to proselytise, tell LGBTIQ students to "pray the gay away", and who have told them that they are going to hell and are deserving of torture and eternal punishment.

But #notallchristians amirite?

I have a feeling that these things are more likely to affect a much wider number of people than Islamic terrorism, or crimes committed by Muslims, and yet, we hear crickets about the evils of fundamentalist Christianity, and how it is undermining our inclusive and tolerant society.

[Mugrul]

At this point it's clear that Geert Wilders is a troll and demagogue.

I've seen him employ plenty of statistics and verses from the Quran. You don't have to agree with them, of course, but that's reasoning based on information and not emotion. He does not appeal to people's emotions any more than any other politician does. To say otherwise is just confirmation bias.

Oh he definitely appeals to peoples' emotion. The policy he and his followers push have been tried, and surprisingly they just isolated Muslims and excellerated the radicalization and tension. More likely it's Geert's constant Islamaphobic blabbering gets him popular among the concerned voters.

[Liriena]

Now, for something completely different... and downright adorable.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I don't really see it.

He still said something that could indirectly lead to police discrimination.

If that happens, hello 80's America police.

Your connection is extremely tenuous.

You don't need Geert Wilders to tell you that Moroccan immigrants disproportionately commit crime.

Numbers can already do that.

Why is this sounding like Trump retweeting neo nazi stuff?

[Gauthier]

It matters because you mischaracterized Wilders.

I don't really see it.

He still said something that could indirectly lead to police discrimination.

If that happens, hello 80's America police.

Nothing wrong with playing into the hands of a terrorist organization that blatantly stated they want the West to treat Muslims like such utter shits that they themselves can be seen as the only salvation.

[Saint Jade IV]

I don't really see it.

He still said something that could indirectly lead to police discrimination.

If that happens, hello 80's America police.

Your connection is extremely tenuous.

You don't need Geert Wilders to tell you that Moroccan immigrants disproportionately commit crime.

Numbers can already do that.

Do they though? Or are they just being picked up more because there is a greater police focus on them as a result of political pressures? Or perhaps its that they are more likely to be charged, rather than let go with a warning? Or perhaps its when they get to court, judges are more likely to convict on criminal charges rather than lesser misdemeanour charges?

The numbers don't tell you shit quite frankly.

[Robert Bork]

I've seen him employ plenty of statistics and verses from the Quran. You don't have to agree with them, of course, but that's reasoning based on information and not emotion. He does not appeal to people's emotions any more than any other politician does. To say otherwise is just confirmation bias.

Oh he definitely appeals to peoples' emotion. The policy he and his followers push have been tried, and surprisingly they just isolated Muslims and excellerated the radicalization and tension. More likely it's Geert's constant Islamaphobic blabbering gets him popular among the concerned voters.

I didn't deny that he appeals to emotion. I just denied that he does so any more than any other politician is. You can't really win an election without employing some rhetorical strategies.

[TotallyNotEvilLand]

Now, for something completely different... and downright adorable.

How dare Obama not predict this and fly over to Brussels to personally stop the bombings before they happened.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Now, for something completely different... and downright adorable.

The only adorable thing i see in your post is your super cute flag.

Btw, I think you are awesome.

[Robert Bork]

Your connection is extremely tenuous.

You don't need Geert Wilders to tell you that Moroccan immigrants disproportionately commit crime.

Numbers can already do that.

Do they though? Or are they just being picked up more because there is a greater police focus on them as a result of political pressures? Or perhaps its that they are more likely to be charged, rather than let go with a warning? Or perhaps its when they get to court, judges are more likely to convict on criminal charges rather than lesser misdemeanour charges?

The numbers don't tell you shit quite frankly.

That's a good point, but given that we understand specific social factors can lead to crime (education, poverty, emotional trauma, whatever), and that these social factors apply largely to Moroccan immigrants more than they do the general Dutch population, I sincerely doubt that Moroccans commit the same amount of crimes as the general Dutch population. To assert so seems rather ridiculous to me.

[Valaran]

Oh he definitely appeals to peoples' emotion. The policy he and his followers push have been tried, and surprisingly they just isolated Muslims and excellerated the radicalization and tension. More likely it's Geert's constant Islamaphobic blabbering gets him popular among the concerned voters.

I didn't deny that he appeals to emotion. I just denied that he does so any more than any other politician is. You can't really win an election without employing some rhetorical strategies.

You're right. He relied an appeals to emotion and cherrypicking then. I guess that's an improvement of sorts?

[Mugrul]

Oh he definitely appeals to peoples' emotion. The policy he and his followers push have been tried, and surprisingly they just isolated Muslims and excellerated the radicalization and tension. More likely it's Geert's constant Islamaphobic blabbering gets him popular among the concerned voters.

I didn't deny that he appeals to emotion. I just denied that he does so any more than any other politician is. You can't really win an election without employing some rhetorical strategies.

Yea well we can be sure policy success isn't one of Geert's merits. So what is it then?

[Robert Bork]

Your connection is extremely tenuous.

You don't need Geert Wilders to tell you that Moroccan immigrants disproportionately commit crime.

Numbers can already do that.

Why is this sounding like Trump retweeting neo nazi stuff?

Maybe you have an ear infection.

[Robert Bork]

I didn't deny that he appeals to emotion. I just denied that he does so any more than any other politician is. You can't really win an election without employing some rhetorical strategies.

Yea well we can be sure policy success isn't one of Geert's merits. So what is it then?

Sorry. What exactly is your question?

[Valaran]

On a slightly different note, given that police raids are now in full swing, how long do we think before the Belgians have caught all suspects, and whether they avoid any fiasco's like after Paris.

And what will be done about lower Molenbeek, and other hotspots of crime and festering radicalisation?

[Liriena]

Now, for something completely different... and downright adorable.

How dare Obama not predict this and fly over to Brussels to personally stop the bombings before they happened.

That damn gay Kenyan muslim marxist liberal nazi can't do anything right!

Now, for something completely different... and downright adorable.

The only adorable thing i see in your post is your super cute flag.

Btw, I think you are awesome.

Awwww, thanks

[Robert Bork]

I don't really see it.

He still said something that could indirectly lead to police discrimination.

If that happens, hello 80's America police.

Nothing wrong with playing into the hands of a terrorist organization that blatantly stated they want the West to treat Muslims like such utter shits that they themselves can be seen as the only salvation.

Awww, now we're back to subposting again. Shame. I was having fun with you.

Do you really think I care what a delusional group like ISIS thinks about what Muslims will do because of Geert Wilders policies? If ISIS was any good at Islamic PR they wouldn't have Al-Qaeda declaring war on them.

[Valaran]

If ISIS was any good at Islamic PR they wouldn't have Al-Qaeda declaring war on them.

Don't know about you, but they seem pretty effective at PR. AQ's hostility is the result of them being supplanted by IS, not bad PR.

[Kriga]

On a slightly different note, given that police raids are now in full swing, how long do we think before the Belgians have caught all suspects, and whether they avoid any fiasco's like after Paris.

And what will be done about lower Molenbeek, and other hotspots of crime and festering radicalisation?

I think the suspects will be caught eventually. But hotspots of 'festering' radicalisation will not be dealt with. Political correctness makes sure that no body can criticise islam, or introduce any type of secular influences on people vulnerable to radicalism.

[The Alma Mater]

Your connection is extremely tenuous.

You don't need Geert Wilders to tell you that Moroccan immigrants disproportionately commit crime.

Numbers can already do that.

Do they though? Or are they just being picked up more because there is a greater police focus on them as a result of political pressures? Or perhaps its that they are more likely to be charged, rather than let go with a warning? Or perhaps its when they get to court, judges are more likely to convict on criminal charges rather than lesser misdemeanour charges?

The numbers don't tell you shit quite frankly.

They actually commit and get convicted vastly more often han their "peers"; where peers are people in similar situations (income etc). The focus is theft, burglary, molestation etc - and sadly an increasing number of murders.
Turks otoh do quite well, so blaming Islam for this (which he often implies) seems incorrect.

[Robert Bork]

If ISIS was any good at Islamic PR they wouldn't have Al-Qaeda declaring war on them.

Don't know about you, but they seem pretty effective at PR. AQ's hostility is the result of them being supplanted by IS, not bad PR.

True, envy is a factor, but so is theology, and that same theological problem has alienated ISIS from the widespread Islamic community. Thus, I sincerely doubt that addressing the problem of Moroccan immigration is going to cause a bunch of people to join ISIS all the sudden.

[Mugrul]

Yea well we can be sure policy success isn't one of Geert's merits. So what is it then?

Sorry. What exactly is your question?

How does Geert Wilders get elected?