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Postby Vistulange » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:17 pm

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Postby American Imperial State » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:17 pm

We need to stop the savages from migrating to European lands.We need a strong leader to take charge and not give a shit what the public opinion or perception is. Or what the liberals think.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:18 pm

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Unified Governments wrote:Nah, I think we need to import more Syrian refugees. So what if a few hundred people are butchered in terrorist is attacks? So what if people are raped, murdered, and beaten? I'm sure George Soros will protect us.

How about enough, Gauth? How about, just for once, enough?


I'm loving the appeal to emotion here.


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Postby Robert Bork » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:18 pm

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Geilinor wrote:It's reasonable to see that as encouraging his supporters to go beat up Moroccans.


It's not encouraging violence. It's Fighting Terrorism.


I love how you can never directly quote me, but you can always quote somebody who's responding to me with your hilarious late night TV show snark. You're like that one girl on Twitter who can't stop subtweeting another girl.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:18 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
It's not encouraging violence. It's Fighting Terrorism.


NItpick: fighting crime. Wilders speech was about the disproportionate amount of Morrocan youths involved with (organised) violent crime in the Netherlands,

He was blaming it on Moroccans in general. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30532882 He also called them "scum".
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Postby YoriZ » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:20 pm

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Be strong, our southern Flemish/Wallon/Ardenne-German friend! (Sincerely meant) :hug:
Stay safe.


According to the news, this attack seems more aimed at the EU. since the Metro attack was supposedly close to EU. headquarters. Also, the Belgium capital in general also represents the EU. Capital. Now to see what the EU. does or does not do. This could spell the full or partial collapse of the EU. depending how they respond or do not respond.


I would say the terrorist activities are aimed at the hearts of western society.
Again, this Brussels situation is upsetting and sad.
I'm afraind this is merely the beginning.
I think Brussels escaped an even larger scale massacre.
During the arest of Salah Abdeslam authorities found a lot of weapons, heavy weapons.
The days prior to the arest, after gunfire in an apartment, a gunman was shot, to others escaoed and in the flat Kalashnikovs were found.
We know IS-cells are well coördinated, we know IS only wants to shock even more.
I think they were aiming to overtop the Paris attentat.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:20 pm

Vistulange wrote:You can never have enough Gauthier.


Funny. Most people just ignore me.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:21 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Extremism of any religion is the largest form of terrorism. The religion is irrelevant.

But there not true Muslims because other muslims hate them. They do not represent all 1 billion Muslims.

Yeah, and the Catholics sacked Constantinople, does that mean that they can't ever be called Christians? Are the Shia and Sunni both not real Muslims?

But not all Shia and Sunni are terrorists and the catholics who did we don't show as the catholics who represent all of Christianity.

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
I love it when people think multiculturalism causes terrorism.


It's a pretty simple chain.

In many societies, it's increasingly difficult to speak honestly about the problems brought by the Islamic religion and some immigrants from traditionally Islamic countries. Geert Wilders was completely right when he spoke about disproportionate crimes committed by Moroccans. Just for that, he gets put on trial for inciting hatred. If we can't have an honest dialogue about the effects of Islam and immigration, then well, duh...we're not going to be able to devise a serious solution. And without that, the root cause of Islamic terrorism will never be looked at.


See there's this thing called 'hate speech' and if you discriminate against Muslims in policing then thats a pointless waste of time for police.

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Postby YoriZ » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:22 pm

sorry double post.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:22 pm

American Imperial State wrote:We need to stop the savages from migrating to European lands.We need a strong leader to take charge and not give a shit what the public opinion or perception is. Or what the liberals think.

We get it. You're a fascist. You may go now, and do whatever it is fascists do when they are not playing with their hateboners over the corpses of innocents.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:22 pm

American Imperial State wrote:We need to stop the savages from migrating to European lands.We need a strong leader to take charge and not give a shit what the public opinion or perception is. Or what the liberals think.


Let's do Islamic State's dirty work for them and treat all Muslims like shit so they feel they have nobody else to turn to for help.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby Mugrul » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:24 pm

Robert Bork wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
I love it when people think multiculturalism causes terrorism.


It's a pretty simple chain.

In many societies, it's increasingly difficult to speak honestly about the problems brought by the Islamic religion and some immigrants from traditionally Islamic countries. Geert Wilders was completely right when he spoke about disproportionate crimes committed by Moroccans. Just for that, he gets put on trial for inciting hatred. If we can't have an honest dialogue about the effects of Islam and immigration, then well, duh...we're not going to be able to devise a serious solution. And without that, the root cause of Islamic terrorism will never be looked at.

At this point it's clear that Geert Wilders is a troll and demagogue.

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Postby Robert Bork » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:24 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:[See there's this thing called 'hate speech' and if you discriminate against Muslims in policing then thats a pointless waste of time for police.


He didn't call for the police to start discriminating.
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Postby Allet Klar Chefs » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:25 pm

American Imperial State wrote:We need to stop the savages from migrating to European lands.We need a strong leader to take charge and not give a shit what the public opinion or perception is. Or what the liberals think.

Why would someone who doesn't care about public opinion share the same views as you? Even in a pretend way.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:25 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
NItpick: fighting crime. Wilders speech was about the disproportionate amount of Morrocan youths involved with (organised) violent crime in the Netherlands,

He was blaming it on Moroccans in general. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30532882 He also called them "scum".


Correct. But he was not refferring to them as terrorists, but as criminals.
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Postby Robert Bork » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:26 pm

Mugrul wrote:
Robert Bork wrote:
It's a pretty simple chain.

In many societies, it's increasingly difficult to speak honestly about the problems brought by the Islamic religion and some immigrants from traditionally Islamic countries. Geert Wilders was completely right when he spoke about disproportionate crimes committed by Moroccans. Just for that, he gets put on trial for inciting hatred. If we can't have an honest dialogue about the effects of Islam and immigration, then well, duh...we're not going to be able to devise a serious solution. And without that, the root cause of Islamic terrorism will never be looked at.

At this point it's clear that Geert Wilders is a troll and demagogue.


I've seen him employ plenty of statistics and verses from the Quran. You don't have to agree with them, of course, but that's reasoning based on information and not emotion. He does not appeal to people's emotions any more than any other politician does. To say otherwise is just confirmation bias.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:26 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Yeah, and the Catholics sacked Constantinople, does that mean that they can't ever be called Christians? Are the Shia and Sunni both not real Muslims?

But not all Shia and Sunni are terrorists and the catholics who did we don't show as the catholics who represent all of Christianity.

You said that what makes them not Muslims is that they are hated by other Muslims.
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Postby Robert Bork » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:26 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Vistulange wrote:You can never have enough Gauthier.


Funny. Most people just ignore me.


Hey, at least you're self-aware.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:29 pm

Robert Bork wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:[See there's this thing called 'hate speech' and if you discriminate against Muslims in policing then thats a pointless waste of time for police.


He didn't call for the police to start discriminating.


Geert Wildwers: Moroccans cause crime!

Police: Ok.

Moroccan: Why did you pull me over?

Police: Because Geert Wildwers told us you cause crime.

Moroccan: But I didn't do anything!

See how this could happen?

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:30 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:But not all Shia and Sunni are terrorists and the catholics who did we don't show as the catholics who represent all of Christianity.

You said that what makes them not Muslims is that they are hated by other Muslims.


Well, I don't like the Catholics who sacked Constantinople.

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Postby Robert Bork » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:30 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Robert Bork wrote:
He didn't call for the police to start discriminating.


Geert Wildwers: Moroccans cause crime!

Police: Ok.

Moroccan: Why did you pull me over?

Police: Because Geert Wildwers told us you cause crime.

Moroccan: But I didn't do anything!

See how this could happen?


We need to distinguish two different ideas here.

1) Geert Wilders called for police discrimination.
2) Geert Wilder's actions might indirectly lead to police discrimination.

In the post I responded to, you went for 1, and now you're trying to switch it to 2.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:32 pm

Robert Bork wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Funny. Most people just ignore me.


Hey, at least you're self-aware.


Someone hiding behind a dead right-wing nutcase (Anglo-California perhaps?) getting in a dig. The world has ended.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:33 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:You said that what makes them not Muslims is that they are hated by other Muslims.


Well, I don't like the Catholics who sacked Constantinople.

Yes, but they are still Christians, yes? They hated our faith as well, so should we (as in, the Orthodox Church) not be considered Christian either? Attitude and willingness to use violence is only a good barometer of ideology and religion if the ideology is strict pacifism.
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Postby Robert Bork » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:33 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Robert Bork wrote:
Hey, at least you're self-aware.


Someone hiding behind a dead right-wing nutcase (Anglo-California perhaps?) getting in a dig. The world has ended.


I want to congratulate you on directly responding to me instead of subposting like a tween.

Also, this is, likeee.....the internet. We're all hiding here, dude.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:34 pm

Robert Bork wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Geert Wildwers: Moroccans cause crime!

Police: Ok.

Moroccan: Why did you pull me over?

Police: Because Geert Wildwers told us you cause crime.

Moroccan: But I didn't do anything!

See how this could happen?


We need to distinguish two different ideas here.

1) Geert Wilders called for police discrimination.
2) Geert Wilder's actions might indirectly lead to police discrimination.

In the post I responded to, you went for 1, and now you're trying to switch it to 2.


Indirectly or directly, It doesn't matter.

The outcome is still discrimination.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
See there's this thing called 'hate speech' and if you discriminate against Muslims in policing then thats a pointless waste of time for police.


This sentence could be interpreted as 'Geert Wilder's actions might indirectly lead to police discrimination.'

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