Brussels Terrorist Attack: ISIS Claims Responsibility

[Napkiraly]

First off, they are muslims, you can't say "True muslim" per se because your not the end all authority on what constitutes a muslim.

second off, Islamic extremism is by far the largest agressor in terms of modern terrorism, blame it on bush, blame it on israel, blame it on iran, this still remains.

Extremism of any religion is the largest form of terrorism. The religion is irrelevant.

But there not true Muslims because other muslims hate them. They do not represent all 1 billion Muslims.

That does not make them not true Muslims.

[Herargon]

First off, they are muslims, you can't say "True muslim" per se because your not the end all authority on what constitutes a muslim.

second off, Islamic extremism is by far the largest agressor in terms of modern terrorism, blame it on bush, blame it on israel, blame it on iran, this still remains.

Extremism of any religion is the largest form of terrorism. The religion is irrelevant.

But there not true Muslims because other muslims hate them. They do not represent all 1 billion Muslims.

Likewise, it's not Trump nor Obama that represents all Americans. And such, Farage also doesn't represent all Europeans, nor does Wilders represent all Dutchies -- despite him saying that. Nor does Merkel or Ioannis Klaus represent all Germans or Romanians.

It's just that it's a whole lot more nuanced.

Also, small nitpick: it's ''they are'', not ''there''.

[Need a Name]

Christianity was indirectly responsible for Nazism? We've done a lot of shit but that wasn't our fault.

The Crusades would have been a better example. That was a mess.

Yeah It was a mess.
Sorry, I panicked and made a bad comparison.

I get it, it's all cool.

Now I should voice my opinion before I get pointed out for going off topic.

How do you guys think we can un-radicalize people who are wanting to join ISIS? The news reports all the time how awful it is when they actually get there but that hasn't worked. The terrible atrocities haven't stopped their recruitment. Bombing them back to the Stone Age isn't crippling their will either. I personally think the news should spread the condemnations of ISIS by head Muslim Religious Leaders. If they can get it out of their head that it isn't Allah's will to murder the "evil westerners" then I could see it helping greatly.

[Vistulange]

Where do you think this rhetoric about how the West is out to destroy Islam and ISIS is the only place that Muslims can be safe comes from?

Then Muslims are fucking idiots.

Do you people ever understand how not to insult any group of people? Do you lot have any idea on how to run an argument using rational thought processes instead of cheap insults?

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Which is ironic considering this is kind of his fault to begin with.

How?

He backed the invasion of Iraq and its' transformation into a Shia oligarchy.

[Vassenor]

Where do you think this rhetoric about how the West is out to destroy Islam and ISIS is the only place that Muslims can be safe comes from?

Then Muslims are fucking idiots.

For feeling like they're being discriminated against when people start holding them collectively responsible for events such as this and demanding they be exterminated?

Sounds pretty intelligent to me.

[Ganos Lao]

Tony Blair pins some of the blame for continued extremism on 'flabby liberalism'. Says elites and people are too afraid to be called racist and wont tackle extremism within Islam.

The audacity of an utter moron like Tony Blair to offer his insight considering he's one of the reasons why we have this problem in the first place. He should GTFO/STFU, really.

Anyone connected to the Iraq War should be told that. It's their fault we have this mess.

[Ganos Lao]

----

[Ganos Lao]

----

[Igoria]

Which is ironic considering this is kind of his fault to begin with.

How?

Helping depose Saddam Hussein, an unsavoury man, but nonetheless Iraq's secular bulwark against religious fundamentalism.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Prayers for Belgians.

[Cumberlanda]

----

To say that the Iraq War caused this is, well, wrong. The tensions between Islamic Extremism and the West has went back centuries.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Tony Blair pins some of the blame for continued extremism on 'flabby liberalism'. Says elites and people are too afraid to be called racist and wont tackle extremism within Islam.

The audacity of an utter moron like Tony Blair to offer his insight considering he's one of the reasons why we have this problem in the first place. He should GTFO/STFU, really.

Anyone connected to the Iraq War should be told that. It's their fault we have this mess.

You are spot on, sadly.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Tony Blair pins some of the blame for continued extremism on 'flabby liberalism'. Says elites and people are too afraid to be called racist and wont tackle extremism within Islam.

The audacity of an utter moron like Tony Blair to offer his insight considering he's one of the reasons why we have this problem in the first place. He should GTFO/STFU, really.

Anyone connected to the Iraq War should be told that. It's their fault we have this mess.

You are spot on, sadly.

[Napkiraly]

Which is ironic considering this is kind of his fault to begin with.

How?

The Iraq War.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

They are not true Muslims.

You know what Muslims do?

They go to ball games, shop at stores, watch tv.

They don't go around blowing stuff up and shoot at people.

This is a No True Scotsman. You're basically trying to say that no true Muslim can do horrible things when that is blatantly false. Just as it would be to say that Crusaders weren't true Christians, that Nazis weren't true Germans, etc.

I never said that. Muslims are humans and humans can do horrible things.

EG: A human green lit Fant4stic

But humans can do good things too.

EG: A human green lit Zootopia

What matters is how the rest of the religion reacted to the horrible thing.

EG: how Muslims are reaction to this terrorist attack

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Ganos, Soldati, why are you guys multiposting?...
weird.

[Herargon]

How?

Helping depose Saddam Hussein, an unsavoury man, but nonetheless Iraq's secular bulwark against religious fundamentalism.

On the other hand, he was a dictator. Not sure I'd like to live under such a man. Neither would I like living under ISIL.

The United States then tried to remain away, but then everything changed when ISIL attacked.

[Ganos Lao]

How?

He backed the invasion of Iraq and its' transformation into a Shia oligarchy.

Exactly. He is the last person who should be talking. He's just as much to blame as is "flabby liberalism."

[Vassenor]

----

To say that the Iraq War caused this is, well, wrong. The tensions between Islamic Extremism and the West has went back centuries.

The Iraq War is one of the direct causes of ISIS' existence.

[Ganos Lao]

Ganos, Soldati, why are you guys multiposting?...
weird.

Forums are screwy, it'd seem.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

----

To say that the Iraq War caused this is, well, wrong. The tensions between Islamic Extremism and the West has went back centuries.

To be fair, it's really not the fact that the Iraq War caused this.

The deposition of Saddam Hussein, as much as he was a sadistic asshole, was what left the region unhinged and destabilized.

We didn't know though, but here we are.

[Napkiraly]

----

To say that the Iraq War caused this is, well, wrong. The tensions between Islamic Extremism and the West has went back centuries.

I did make it incredibly worse, however.

[Vistulange]

----

To say that the Iraq War caused this is, well, wrong. The tensions between Islamic Extremism and the West has went back centuries.

No, it's pretty spot-on. That's what caused the region to destabilise, but more importantly, that's what shifted the blame of said destabilisation on the West.

[Pimps Inc]

This is a No True Scotsman. You're basically trying to say that no true Muslim can do horrible things when that is blatantly false. Just as it would be to say that Crusaders weren't true Christians, that Nazis weren't true Germans, etc.

I never said that. Muslims are humans and humans can do horrible things.

EG: A human green lit Fant4stic

But humans can do good things too.

EG: A human green lit Zootopia

What matters is how the rest of the religion reacted to the horrible thing.

EG: how Muslims are reaction to this terrorist attack

Comparing Zootopia to terrorism is.....not what I was expecting.