Brussels Terrorist Attack: ISIS Claims Responsibility

[Vistulange]

This thread has become a pile of steaming dog shit, trolls and threadjackers buzzing around it.

Let's go back to the real enemy, ISIS. Not Muslims, not Hispanics.Just ISIS.



Trying to solve a threat to national security is not racist. It would be racist if a lot of very angry citizens ran into the suburb like it was Kristallnacht. Or Birmingham, Alabama. That was racist. This is by no means racist.

Well they are muslims so...

I'll try to explain with a Venn diagram.

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/m ... 748624.jpg

[Napkiraly]

What?

I get the suspicion this thread is being hit by puppets, etc.

Probably.

This whole event makes me concerned that London may be next

London's security has been increased for the time being and I would reckon that British security services are on the ball more so than Belgian ones have been, thus reducing the chances of a successful attack.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

This thread has become a pile of steaming dog shit, trolls and threadjackers buzzing around it.

Let's go back to the real enemy, ISIS. Not Muslims, not Hispanics.Just ISIS.



Trying to solve a threat to national security is not racist. It would be racist if a lot of very angry citizens ran into the suburb like it was Kristallnacht. Or Birmingham, Alabama. That was racist. This is by no means racist.

Well they are muslims so...

They are not true Muslims.

You know what Muslims do?

They go to ball games, shop at stores, watch tv.

They don't go around blowing stuff up and shoot at people.

[Sanctissima]

...If they're targeting people with provable links to the attacks, how is that racism?

Probably targeting brown people, while whites are just not suspicious. They do not look like Muslims.

Oh for the love of...

Think before you post, really. They're investigating the culprits, and the neighbourhood they came from.

[Shaggy Dog Story]

Well they are muslims so...

I'll try to explain with a Venn diagram.

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/m ... 748624.jpg

Yes but that inner circle needs to be a lot smaller.

[Redsection]

A sad day for those who are victims , my condolences.

[Shaggy Dog Story]

Well they are muslims so...

They are not true Muslims.

You know what Muslims do?

They go to ball games, shop at stores, watch tv.

They don't go around blowing stuff up and shoot at people.

They're Muslims if they say they are Muslims. They're just not very good at being Muslim.

[Tokuopolis]

This whole event makes me concerned that London may be next

A friend at my college thought London had been attacked recently, but I told her the last major terror attack on London was 7/7 in 2005. The London police are trying to defend themselves and the citizens of London. I'm really concerned about an attack hitting anywhere, whether it is in Europe, the middle east, elsewhere in Asia, Africa, Australasia or the Americas.

[Ganos Lao]

While I have ideological differences with many who claim as you have to be pro life it is refreshing to see someone actually willing to act in a way deserving of the phrase. While I believe in the right to choose it is nice to see ideological consistency on the pro life stance include ALL human life.

Thanks. I try. I mean, I want all people to be able to live as they should be allowed to live. I'm just as furious about ISIS as anyone, but I hardly have any of the answers. All I know is that there are millions of people in those countries who are suffering, and building a wall and sending them all back is going to cause even more trouble. At the same time, we have to find a way to keep terrorists from, like you said, abusing the system. I'm not sure how to keep that from happening. We might have to rebuild entire nations in the Middle East to solve the problem, like that Belgium article someone posted said we need to do with Belgium (rebuild the nation from the bottom up), but it's such a huge socio-political tangle, and I don't claim to know how to clip all those tangles. So I just pray.

It is at the point now that even if we did do the right things, it'd all still be screwed up anyway.

And what's even sadder is that Americans feel proud that they'll be electing the next person who, with their cronies, will screw it all up even further.

Oh, and the UK will stay in the EU and tag along with France and Germany in contributing alongside them also.

The most sad thing about all this, though?

It's that the next generations on both sides are gonna grow up to be fucked up in the head just like their parents (the West/the Middle East) and they'll prolong the cycle.

Osteo's notions of "de-Islamification" are, boiled down to the most basic element, understandable sentiment-wise, but it just won't work, largely because no one really wants to fix the problems at hand.

Money makes the world go round - it's the root of all these problems.

Until the disorder stops being profitable, you will never see change. It is highly likely we'll all be long dead before even a single toe touches the path to progress. You can call me cynical or whatever, but you can't expect to solve centuries of problems so easily. Decades will be needed, and that's just the bare minimum.

[North Calaveras]

Well they are muslims so...

They are not true Muslims.

You know what Muslims do?

They go to ball games, shop at stores, watch tv.

They don't go around blowing stuff up and shoot at people.

First off, they are muslims, you can't say "True muslim" per se because your not the end all authority on what constitutes a muslim.

second off, Islamic extremism is by far the largest agressor in terms of modern terrorism, blame it on bush, blame it on israel, blame it on iran, this still remains.

[Napkiraly]

Tony Blair pins some of the blame for continued extremism on 'flabby liberalism'. Says elites and people are too afraid to be called racist and wont tackle extremism within Islam.

[Unified Governments]

Tony Blair pins some of the blame for continued extremism on 'flabby liberalism'. Says elites and people are too afraid to be called racist and wont tackle extremism within Islam.

He's right.

[North Calaveras]

Tony Blair pins some of the blame for continued extremism on 'flabby liberalism'. Says elites and people are too afraid to be called racist and wont tackle extremism within Islam.

which is true, it's the same story all over some of these euro states, it is also the reason why far-right groups are becoming more popular: Governments are not listening.

[Vistulange]

This is what I mean by irredentism. You gladly disregard modern international law and the theories of international relations, as though the people who have thought of them and implemented were and are idiots, and think that you are right in your ignorance. Truly, ignorance is bliss.

Some international laws such as the ones banning chemical warfare are quite sound and what I'd call sensible. But other portions of it such as the ones applying to refugees, I'd call incredibly foolish and I do not recommend that any nation with its national self interests at heart follow these provisions. Nations should and can assert a right to deny people they do not want from coming in. The UN has no standing army and even if it did, it wouldn't be able to continuously fight wars year after year with nations that do not follow all of their demands to the letter.

Might does indeed make right, but this is now tempered by global interdependence, the fact that aggressive war is no longer condoned or encouraged as a matter of course. If a war breaks out, there now has to be a valid casus belli between the two sides involved. It is then, that one side could lose territory, it just isn't very likely as opposed to in the old days, unless the land has a population that will defect or is valuable. Russia's annexation of Crimea went relatively smoothly. It proves that land changing hands can still go on.

Good. Your recommendations aren't worth anything, though, and a lot of people have thought of what you have said. We don't implement them, not because humanity is stupid or unable to think, but because they are bad ideas. There may come a day when our sons and our grandsons think of us as idiots, but only when they think of a better international system. Our fathers and grandfathers had worse systems than we have today.

The difference between losing territory is that the Russian annexation of Crimea is illegal. Of course, to some, that may make very little difference, but those people are people who assume that international relations is a simple affair and that the Russian annexation of Crimea is a shining example of "might makes right" and all those who oppose that concept are naive.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

This thread has been quite entertaining.

Thanks. I try. I mean, I want all people to be able to live as they should be allowed to live. I'm just as furious about ISIS as anyone, but I hardly have any of the answers. All I know is that there are millions of people in those countries who are suffering, and building a wall and sending them all back is going to cause even more trouble. At the same time, we have to find a way to keep terrorists from, like you said, abusing the system. I'm not sure how to keep that from happening. We might have to rebuild entire nations in the Middle East to solve the problem, like that Belgium article someone posted said we need to do with Belgium (rebuild the nation from the bottom up), but it's such a huge socio-political tangle, and I don't claim to know how to clip all those tangles. So I just pray.

It is at the point now that even if we did do the right things, it'd all still be screwed up anyway.

And what's even sadder is that Americans feel proud that they'll be electing the next person who, with their cronies, will screw it all up even further.

Oh, and the UK will stay in the EU and tag along with France and Germany in contributing alongside them also.

The most sad thing about all this, though?

It's that the next generations on both sides are gonna grow up to be fucked up in the head just like their parents (the West/the Middle East) and they'll prolong the cycle.

Osteo's notions of "de-Islamification" are, boiled down to the most basic element, understandable sentiment-wise, but it just won't work, largely because no one really wants to fix the problems at hand.

Money makes the world go round - it's the root of all these problems.

Until the disorder stops being profitable, you will never see change. It is highly likely we'll all be long dead before even a single toe touches the path to progress. You can call me cynical or whatever, but you can't expect to solve centuries of problems so easily. Decades will be needed, and that's just the bare minimum.

...but as long as the path exists, there is hope, isn't there?

[Napkiraly]

Well they are muslims so...

They are not true Muslims.

You know what Muslims do?

They go to ball games, shop at stores, watch tv.

They don't go around blowing stuff up and shoot at people.

This is a No True Scotsman. You're basically trying to say that no true Muslim can do horrible things when that is blatantly false. Just as it would be to say that Crusaders weren't true Christians, that Nazis weren't true Germans, etc.

[Loyal Fascists]

Tony Blair pins some of the blame for continued extremism on 'flabby liberalism'. Says elites and people are too afraid to be called racist and wont tackle extremism within Islam.

Certainly seems like this "flabby liberalism" could have a part to play in these attacks.

[Vassenor]

Tony Blair pins some of the blame for continued extremism on 'flabby liberalism'. Says elites and people are too afraid to be called racist and wont tackle extremism within Islam.

Which is ironic considering this is kind of his fault to begin with.

[The Kievan People]

I'll try to explain with a Venn diagram.

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/m ... 748624.jpg

I think this revelatory information needs to be forwarded to all western security services immediately!

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

They are not true Muslims.

You know what Muslims do?

They go to ball games, shop at stores, watch tv.

They don't go around blowing stuff up and shoot at people.

First off, they are muslims, you can't say "True muslim" per se because your not the end all authority on what constitutes a muslim.

second off, Islamic extremism is by far the largest agressor in terms of modern terrorism, blame it on bush, blame it on israel, blame it on iran, this still remains.

Extremism of any religion is the largest form of terrorism. The religion is irrelevant.

But there not true Muslims because other muslims hate them. They do not represent all 1 billion Muslims.

[Vistulange]

I'll try to explain with a Venn diagram.

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/m ... 748624.jpg

I think this revelatory information needs to be forwarded to all western security services immediately!

Revelatory to some. "Some" in the previous sentence does not include "Western security services", who, unlike some people on this board, do not engage in pointless discrimination, most of the time.

[The Lone Alliance]

How the fuck am I being a recruiter for terrorism? I fuckin hate ISIS and Islam in general.

Where do you think this rhetoric about how the West is out to destroy Islam and ISIS is the only place that Muslims can be safe comes from?

Then those Muslims are fucking idiots.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

I'll try to explain with a Venn diagram.

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/m ... 748624.jpg

I think this revelatory information needs to be forwarded to all western security services immediately!

...so, does the following statement that ISIS members⊂Muslims hold true?

[Cumberlanda]

Extremism of any religion is the largest form of terrorism. The religion is irrelevant.

But there not true Muslims because other muslims hate them. They do not represent all 1 billion Muslims.

A lot of people hate me. Does that make me not a real person?

[Unified Governments]

Tony Blair pins some of the blame for continued extremism on 'flabby liberalism'. Says elites and people are too afraid to be called racist and wont tackle extremism within Islam.

Which is ironic considering this is kind of his fault to begin with.

How?