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Postby Diopolis » Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:57 pm

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United Marxist Nations wrote:I think you are forgetting the brief period of history where economic conditions allowed this small base of people to essentially stage a coup d'etat?

Moreover, isn't the duty of a government to look after the well-being of its citizens?

None of those people were in positions of power. People do not rally themselves to social outcasts.

But social outcasts are easy to appeal to. Including by quite dangerous people. That's essentially how cults and terrorist groups recruit.
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Postby Icthyia » Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:59 pm

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Icthyia wrote:None of those people were in positions of power. People do not rally themselves to social outcasts.

But social outcasts are easy to appeal to. Including by quite dangerous people. That's essentially how cults and terrorist groups recruit.

And these people do not overthrow governments. You require far more support than that.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:59 pm

Icthyia wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:I think you are forgetting the brief period of history where economic conditions allowed this small base of people to essentially stage a coup d'etat?

Moreover, isn't the duty of a government to look after the well-being of its citizens?

None of those people were in positions of power. People do not rally themselves to social outcasts.

Sure, but this is an unreasonable intrusion on private life. Mental counseling and what not for those with serious mental problems is about the limit.

I suggest you read on Hitler and Goebbels' lives. They were pretty hardcore social outcasts. Which reinforces my point about how being isolated for long-periods of time will cause one to develop views very different and antagonistic to those of the rest of society.

Moreover, with such a large group of people existing, it would be more than large enough to cause to cause damage on its own without outside help.
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Postby Icthyia » Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:03 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:I suggest you read on Hitler and Goebbels' lives. They were pretty hardcore social outcasts. Which reinforces my point about how being isolated for long-periods of time will cause one to develop views very different and antagonistic to those of the rest of society.

Hitler was not a social outcast. He was an impoverished man with strong political opinions. All of his problems originated from factors other than social awkwardness, which he obviously didn't have, considering he got his position on charisma alone.
United Marxist Nations wrote:Moreover, with such a large group of people existing, it would be more than large enough to cause to cause damage on its own without outside help.

Where are you getting your numbers from?
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Postby Diopolis » Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:07 pm

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United Marxist Nations wrote:I suggest you read on Hitler and Goebbels' lives. They were pretty hardcore social outcasts. Which reinforces my point about how being isolated for long-periods of time will cause one to develop views very different and antagonistic to those of the rest of society.

Hitler was not a social outcast. He was an impoverished man with strong political opinions. All of his problems originated from factors other than social awkwardness, which he obviously didn't have, considering he got his position on charisma alone.

I've overcome social anxiety/social awkwardness before. That's not really how it works.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:10 pm

Icthyia wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:I suggest you read on Hitler and Goebbels' lives. They were pretty hardcore social outcasts. Which reinforces my point about how being isolated for long-periods of time will cause one to develop views very different and antagonistic to those of the rest of society.

Hitler was not a social outcast. He was an impoverished man with strong political opinions. All of his problems originated from factors other than social awkwardness, which he obviously didn't have, considering he got his position on charisma alone.
United Marxist Nations wrote:Moreover, with such a large group of people existing, it would be more than large enough to cause to cause damage on its own without outside help.

Where are you getting your numbers from?

He had like two friends, over the entirety of his life before he came into power. Almost everyone who knew him remembered his social awkwardness. I specifically recall some recollections of a roommate and childhood friend of his, as well as some people who lived in the same trench as him during the war.

The number of young males who won't be able to marry because of demographic imbalance between the sexes.
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Postby Diopolis » Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:13 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Icthyia wrote:Hitler was not a social outcast. He was an impoverished man with strong political opinions. All of his problems originated from factors other than social awkwardness, which he obviously didn't have, considering he got his position on charisma alone.

Where are you getting your numbers from?

He had like two friends, over the entirety of his life before he came into power. Almost everyone who knew him remembered his social awkwardness. I specifically recall some recollections of a roommate and childhood friend of his, as well as some people who lived in the same trench as him during the war.

The number of young males who won't be able to marry because of demographic imbalance between the sexes.

Does this take into account higher male mortality rates? Because it seems like that should be able to account for most of it on an international scale.
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Postby Icthyia » Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:17 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:He had like two friends, over the entirety of his life before he came into power. Almost everyone who knew him remembered his social awkwardness.

They remembered he was an insufferable asshole.
United Marxist Nations wrote: I specifically recall some recollections of a roommate and childhood friend of his, as well as some people who lived in the same trench as him during the war.

Because he kept pushing his political points.
United Marxist Nations wrote:The number of young males who won't be able to marry because of demographic imbalance between the sexes.

What imbalance, you mean the one where there are more women than men?

Getting a girlfriend isn't that hard.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:18 pm

Diopolis wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:He had like two friends, over the entirety of his life before he came into power. Almost everyone who knew him remembered his social awkwardness. I specifically recall some recollections of a roommate and childhood friend of his, as well as some people who lived in the same trench as him during the war.

The number of young males who won't be able to marry because of demographic imbalance between the sexes.

Does this take into account higher male mortality rates? Because it seems like that should be able to account for most of it on an international scale.

Females only become the majority when you get around age 40, IIRC.
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Puppies. Of proper dogs, none of that terrier nonsense.



But they're cute.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:22 pm

Icthyia wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:He had like two friends, over the entirety of his life before he came into power. Almost everyone who knew him remembered his social awkwardness.

1) They remembered he was an insufferable asshole.
United Marxist Nations wrote: I specifically recall some recollections of a roommate and childhood friend of his, as well as some people who lived in the same trench as him during the war.

2) Because he kept pushing his political points.
United Marxist Nations wrote:The number of young males who won't be able to marry because of demographic imbalance between the sexes.

3) What imbalance, you mean the one where there are more women than men?

4) Getting a girlfriend isn't that hard.

1) Actually, all the ones I have read have an atmosphere of pity to them.
2) Again, none of the accounts I have read seemed to hate him; they mainly talked about how he just had no friends. He discussed politics because it was the only thing he had an opinion on.
3) Until you reach middle and old age, males have a substantial majority.
4) :rofl: Sure it isn't.
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Postby Reagan-land » Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:23 pm

So the government is going to providing free counselours...? That's interesting. I mean if your going to take everyone's money away via economic welfare you mine as well blow there money on counselors while your at it. Way I see it the welfare state oughta be minimized, or replaced with a hypothetical "basic income" at the LEAST. Welfare is just a silly concept for countries with large population....

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Postby Trotskylvania » Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:25 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Icthyia wrote:Hitler was not a social outcast. He was an impoverished man with strong political opinions. All of his problems originated from factors other than social awkwardness, which he obviously didn't have, considering he got his position on charisma alone.

Where are you getting your numbers from?

He had like two friends, over the entirety of his life before he came into power. Almost everyone who knew him remembered his social awkwardness. I specifically recall some recollections of a roommate and childhood friend of his, as well as some people who lived in the same trench as him during the war.

The number of young males who won't be able to marry because of demographic imbalance between the sexes.

There is also some evidence to suggest that homosexuality and asexuality are more prevalent among men than women
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:27 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:He had like two friends, over the entirety of his life before he came into power. Almost everyone who knew him remembered his social awkwardness. I specifically recall some recollections of a roommate and childhood friend of his, as well as some people who lived in the same trench as him during the war.

The number of young males who won't be able to marry because of demographic imbalance between the sexes.

There is also some evidence to suggest that homosexuality and asexuality are more prevalent among men than women

Not to such a degree as to completely eradicate the numbers. Even if under 1 percent of the population is in such a state, then it would still be a few millions of people.
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:59 pm

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Postby Setgavarius » Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:13 pm

Interesting. But you'll find me a bit of a perv.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:13 pm

The effect of social isolation can be seen in the trans suicide rate. Transpeople are often ostracized from society due to their identities (which is not the mention the active bullying that often occurs on top of this), and this drives up suicidal tendencies among our community. Sadly, that only makes the issue worse, cause the ones causing the problem just loooooove to use that suicide rate as proof that its a "degenerative mental illness" that needs "therapy not hormones" (although hormones are shown to greatly reduce suicidal tendencies). So yeah, it makes sense that social isolation would hurt someone mentally.
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