Breivik: The Moral Dilemma

[Obrehobga]

This mass-murdering wanker has every right to get noose around his neck for the things he's done. I usually don't support Capital Punishment, but damn it, people like this should get away with these things alive.

Norway has no provision for capital punishment in its legal system.

Damn, I guess it's right out the window with that punishment.

[Shamhnan Insir]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36094575
The bastard won his case.

The court upheld his claim that some of his treatment amounted to "inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment".

The court also ordered the Norwegian state to pay Breivik's legal costs of 330,000 kroner ($40,000; £28,000).

[Wallenburg]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36094575
The bastard won his case.

The court upheld his claim that some of his treatment amounted to "inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment".

The court also ordered the Norwegian state to pay Breivik's legal costs of 330,000 kroner ($40,000; £28,000).

Fuck. A. Bag. What the hell, Norway?

[Imperializt Russia]

This mass-murdering wanker has every right to get noose around his neck for the things he's done. I usually don't support Capital Punishment, but damn it, people like this should get away with these things alive.

He literally has no right to get a noose around his neck, since there is no provision for death by hanging still in force in Norway, unless you can enlighten me otherwise.

[Imperializt Russia]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36094575
The bastard won his case.

The court upheld his claim that some of his treatment amounted to "inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment".

The court also ordered the Norwegian state to pay Breivik's legal costs of 330,000 kroner ($40,000; £28,000).

Man brings court case, argues court case and wins court case.

Oh no, this is bad, apparently?

[Washington Resistance Army]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36094575
The bastard won his case.

The court upheld his claim that some of his treatment amounted to "inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment".

The court also ordered the Norwegian state to pay Breivik's legal costs of 330,000 kroner ($40,000; £28,000).

You're doing it wrong Norway.

[Shamhnan Insir]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36094575
The bastard won his case.

Fuck. A. Bag. What the hell, Norway?

I would have thought they would have at least made some sort of stand against the fucking ridiculousness of his appeal as he has rooms worth of space and amenities.

[Vassenor]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36094575
The bastard won his case.

Man brings court case, argues court case and wins court case.

Oh no, this is bad, apparently?

Are you implying prisoners should have human rights? What messed up parallel world do you inhabit?

[The Ben Boys]

Breivik is no genius. But I agree, he deserves the death penalty.

There's a difference between genius and patience.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Man brings court case, argues court case and wins court case.

Oh no, this is bad, apparently?

Are you implying prisoners should have human rights? What messed up parallel world do you inhabit?

>implying Breivik doesn't have human rights

[Vassenor]

Are you implying prisoners should have human rights? What messed up parallel world do you inhabit?

>implying Breivik doesn't have human rights

Considering that the courts decided that he does...

[Gravlen]

Fuck. A. Bag. What the hell, Norway?

I would have thought they would have at least made some sort of stand against the fucking ridiculousness of his appeal as he has rooms worth of space and amenities.

Quoth the Court:

The Court considers Breivik physical / material prison conditions as good. He has relatively well-equipped cells with direct addition of daylight at his disposal, and has also access to TV, books and more newspapers. That's not where the problem lies; the question is whether the degree of isolation is acceptable.

[Order of the Knights of Saint John]

If a Norwegian prison is inhumane, then American ones are concentration camps.

[Ifreann]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36094575
The bastard won his case.

Man brings court case, argues court case and wins court case.

Oh no, this is bad, apparently?

This spells the end of the modern justice system as we know it.

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I would have thought they would have at least made some sort of stand against the fucking ridiculousness of his appeal as he has rooms worth of space and amenities.

Quoth the Court:

The Court considers Breivik physical / material prison conditions as good. He has relatively well-equipped cells with direct addition of daylight at his disposal, and has also access to TV, books and more newspapers. That's not where the problem lies; the question is whether the degree of isolation is acceptable.

Maybe they should get him a dog.

[The Alma Mater]

Man brings court case, argues court case and wins court case.

Oh no, this is bad, apparently?

This spells the end of the modern justice system as we know it.

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Quoth the Court:

The Court considers Breivik physical / material prison conditions as good. He has relatively well-equipped cells with direct addition of daylight at his disposal, and has also access to TV, books and more newspapers. That's not where the problem lies; the question is whether the degree of isolation is acceptable.

Maybe they should get him a dog.

Surely they can find a nice celmate for him. They could share a bed, shower together etc.

[Licentious Libertines]

Infamous lone-wolf Fascist terrorist Anders Behring Breivik, known as one of the most evil men in the world,

Anders Behring Breivik, known as one of the most evil men in the world,

one of the most evil men in the world,

the most evil

Oh OP, how you crack me up so.

Regardless of the metric of evil we use here, be it body count or ideology or something else, plenty of people have done worse. Joe Schmo over here is not even up there. The only reason one would think he is up there is the mainstream media picking and choosing their next thing to demonize. It's always private individuals who are the worst, while country leaders get no admonishment for bombing the shit out of other countries or destroying their environments. But no, it must be Adolf Smörgåsbord who is the antichrist.

Not saying Breivik was a good guy either. That fucker deserves an American-style rape cage instead of a Norwegian rehab center.

[Catanian Liberation]

Better for a mass murderer of 77 people to win a case than a government to keep thousands of political prisoners / subversives / "terrorists" in mass detainment without punishment, invade an entire country only to also inevitably slaughter thousands of innocent people in such a nation, and spy on all of their citizens illegally and against their own constitution to prevent a theoretical future slaughter of 77 people from ever happening again in the first place.


My point is that it is better to have a government be paranoid and afraid of violating human rights of their own criminals than a government which brutally ignores these things in the name of a supposed "War on Terror" (War of Terror) (Or, in other words, some brutal act for the good of the common people according to the Government) against redshirts / convenient scapegoats / patsies. If the Norwegian government ignores the case and rights of this murderer it will lay grounds for worse things.

[The Foxes Swamp]

He should be executed.

Why?

do you think he deserves to breathe?

[Alvecia]

Why?

do you think he deserves to breathe?

Deserves has got nothing to do with it.

[Risottia]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36094575
The bastard won his case.

The court upheld his claim that some of his treatment amounted to "inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment".

The court also ordered the Norwegian state to pay Breivik's legal costs of 330,000 kroner ($40,000; £28,000).

Wonderful!

Now Norway can kick Breivik out of his solitary confinement and put him together with the rest of the inmates.

Hm.

I'm willing to bet that he'll ask solitary confinement again. Well, that is, if they let him live enough for that.

[Risottia]

If a Norwegian prison is inhumane, then American ones are concentration camps.

It has been argued more than once at the ECHR iirc.

[Ifreann]

Why?

do you think he deserves to breathe?

Does it matter?

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If a Norwegian prison is inhumane, then American ones are concentration camps.

It has been argued more than once at the ECHR iirc.

We've refused to extradite someone to the US because they'd be subject to inhumane treatment.

[Imperializt Russia]

It has been argued more than once at the ECHR iirc.

We've refused to extradite someone to the US because they'd be subject to inhumane treatment.

General prison population, or would they have gone to a specialist facility?

[Ifreann]

We've refused to extradite someone to the US because they'd be subject to inhumane treatment.

General prison population, or would they have gone to a specialist facility?

Would have gone to a supermax prison and been in solitary confinement 23 hours a day.

[Vistulange]

Good. I am happy that he won the case.

The rule of law is not for when the going is good, the rule of law is for when the crimes are heinous and we need to suppress our instinct for vengeance and bloodthirst. His victory of the case and the Norwegian court's neutrality over the matter is commendable, and even their decision is a vicious bitch slap against this excuse for a human being, showing to the entire world that the judges and all others who presided over the trial are infinitely better human beings than he ever could be.

Vengeance is not necessarily justice. Justice is something which cannot be clearly defined, but I do not know of any group in Norway which has called for the man to be executed. Thus, from what I understand, his punishment satisfies the people of Norway and that is enough for justice. As long as those who suffer are contented with the punishment, there is no need to overkill. Justice is not a tool to exact revenge, but to keep social order.