Breivik: The Moral Dilemma

[Ostroeuropa]

True, but it's worth noting that the Weimar government's relatively lenient attitude towards the NSDAP largely allowed them to rise. There's a reason why that judge was never replaced, and why they never really cracked down on the early Nazi party as hard as they should have.

Easy to say in hindsight, but the communists were probably a greater threat in their minds right up until it was too late, and any crackdown would have needed to use state apparatus already infested with nazis.
But this is somewhat off topic, except in the context of how to deal with counterjihadist radicals.

[The Greater Aryan Race]

True, but it's worth noting that the Weimar government's relatively lenient attitude towards the NSDAP largely allowed them to rise. There's a reason why that judge was never replaced, and why they never really cracked down on the early Nazi party as hard as they should have.

Probably because German politics in the Weimar Era was still heavily dominated by the upper-crust bourgeoise, elitist, political class, most of whom looked down on the Nazi Party as nothing more than a riff-raff agglomeration of hanger-ons, deluded anti-Semites, romantics and Bohemian draft-dodgers.

The main threat in the eyes of the ruling class was the KPD and the spectre of Marxist revolution, as well as the Freikorps.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Oh, don't get me started on this guy
Normally, I would say it warrents looking into, but between him, and the reputation of Norwegian prisons,I highly doubt this

[Ifreann]

I may be wrong, but I don't think it was up to the Weimar politicians whether he could have been executed or not.
In Hitlers case, the judge presiding over his trial for the Putsch was arguably sympathetic to his views and he was given a lenient sentence.

Overall it was worse to have arrested him at all, since it gave him a national platform for the first time, gave him time to write mein kampf, and martyred him while not removing him from the board. 5 years is the typical time spent in opposition anyway...

True, but it's worth noting that the Weimar government's relatively lenient attitude towards the NSDAP largely allowed them to rise. There's a reason why that judge was never replaced, and why they never really cracked down on the early Nazi party as hard as they should have.

What's really worth noting is that the death penalty didn't deter Hitler from committing genocide.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

He's pissed because he has a PS2 instead of a PS3 and gets cold coffee, he should try living in Guantanamo if he ran a prison I doubt it would be so humane.

[Wallenburg]

He's pissed because he has a PS2 instead of a PS3 and gets cold coffee, he should try living in Guantanamo if he ran a prison I doubt it would be so humane.

Good thing we don't let inmates run prisons.

[Imperializt Russia]

He's pissed because he has a PS2 instead of a PS3 and gets cold coffee, he should try living in Guantanamo if he ran a prison I doubt it would be so humane.

Good thing we don't let inmates run prisons.

Bastoy does very well.

(I say this in jest, it's not run by the prisoners)

[Gravlen]

Incorrect. The links doesn't say he was hit and sexually abused, and that's the point: The reports does not say he was hit and sexually abused. This quotes the report the author used to create his hypothesis that the mother hit and sexually abused Breivik, and it does not say that Breivik was hit and sexually abused. It would be strange for such a report to note that a child was not hit and sexually abused, because that should be the normal situation.

The book review shows that the argument the author makes is unsubstantiated and based on speculation. There's no evidence to support that Breivik was hit and sexually abused - 'all of the parts of the authors line of reasoning may be false, and they may be true. We don't know. His analysis is based more on fiction than fact.'

Professor in psychiatry Sigmud Karterud has been a consultant for the author during his writing process. He says that the sources for determining whether Breivik was abused is lacking, so the conclusions drawn are speculative. He's seen the reports, and still says it's speculative. No confirmation that Breivik was hit or sexually abused. That's spinning a possible scenario only.

That's not what the links you provided show.
The first talks talks about the problems of remote diagnosis and the speculation that his upbringing is the cause of his terrorism. It doesn't challenge on the facts.

I havn't read the book, so I can't comment on whether your linked report is the right one.
The second, near as I can tell, is the same.

I don't know if you failed to comprehend the article or if you simply stopped reading halfway, but it doesn't matter. You see, the author of the book himself rejects your view. He has tweeted the following:

ABB "sexually abused" @svelle? That's not in my book. You are rather approximate in the rendering of it

ABB "seksuelt misbrukt" @svelle? Det står ikke i min bok. Du er temmelig omtrentlig i gjengivelsen av den

https://twitter.com/aageb/status/381441827351433216

In his book, which you can find excerpts of on Google, you can find the following statements:

"Analgesia may have other causes, and in the material I've had access to there's no basis to say that Breivik was physically abused."

After describing what sexual abuse of children can be, he later says:
"It appears to be nothing in the SSBU's material which draws a concrete picture of [sexual] molestation [...]"

https://books.google.no/books?id=YKA5Ag ... BDoAQhSMBA

Also, his defence attorney, Geir Lippestad, had this to say after the trial:

Breivik experienced nothing special or cruel. He had perhaps a little difficult childhood, but no worse than anyone else. He built his entire worldview, all his rage, on on-line information, and no physical experiences.

Breivik opplevde ikke noe spesielt eller grusomt. Han hadde kanskje en litt vanskelig barndom, men ikke verre enn noen andre. Han bygde hele sitt verdensbilde, hele sitt raseri, på nettinformasjon, og ingen fysiske erfaringer.

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks ... 50180.html

You think he really would use that description about a childhood where beatings and sexual abuse occurred?

[Gravlen]

Oh, don't get me started on this guy
Normally, I would say it warrents looking into, but between him, and the reputation of Norwegian prisons,I highly doubt this

The thing is, though, the Norwegian prisons have never had to deal with anyone like him before. The security regime combined with the use of isolation is unprecedented in his case. It's worthy of a trial, just to make sure there's no overreach. Checks and balances and all that jazz.

[Fartsniffage]

Oh, don't get me started on this guy
Normally, I would say it warrents looking into, but between him, and the reputation of Norwegian prisons,I highly doubt this

The thing is, though, the Norwegian prisons have never had to deal with anyone like him before. The security regime combined with the use of isolation is unprecedented in his case. It's worthy of a trial, just to make sure there's no overreach. Checks and balances and all that jazz.

Has Norway never had a mass-murderer before?

[Gauthier]

The thing is, though, the Norwegian prisons have never had to deal with anyone like him before. The security regime combined with the use of isolation is unprecedented in his case. It's worthy of a trial, just to make sure there's no overreach. Checks and balances and all that jazz.

Has Norway never had a mass-murderer before?

Not since 1983. And he was released on good behavior.

[Gravlen]

The thing is, though, the Norwegian prisons have never had to deal with anyone like him before. The security regime combined with the use of isolation is unprecedented in his case. It's worthy of a trial, just to make sure there's no overreach. Checks and balances and all that jazz.

Has Norway never had a mass-murderer before?

Not on this scale and with this level of violence and brutality in peace time. One of the closest in body count was a serial murdering nurse whom killed 27 people by poisoning over several years.

[Fartsniffage]

Has Norway never had a mass-murderer before?

Not since 1983. And he was released on good behavior.

Another mass murderer raised by his mother......FEMINISM!!!!

[Fartsniffage]

Has Norway never had a mass-murderer before?

Not on this scale and with this level of violence and brutality in peace time. One of the closest in body count was a serial murdering doctor who killed 27 people by poisoning over several years.

Perhaps I was overly cynical. I just kinda assumed that a country would have had to deal with something similar before. I should stop reading the news.

[Gauthier]

Not since 1983. And he was released on good behavior.

Another mass murderer raised by his mother......FEMINISM!!!!

Damn feminists raising serial killers to exterminate the male gender...

[Gravlen]

Not on this scale and with this level of violence and brutality in peace time. One of the closest in body count was a serial murdering doctor who killed 27 people by poisoning over several years.

Perhaps I was overly cynical. I just kinda assumed that a country would have had to deal with something similar before. I should stop reading the news.

Bad shit did happen during Viking times, but that might be going too far back in time?

[Fartsniffage]

Perhaps I was overly cynical. I just kinda assumed that a country would have had to deal with something similar before. I should stop reading the news.

Bad shit did happen during Viking times, but that might be going too far back in time?

I live in a place where about half the places are named for Viking raiding. I think Scandinavia owes us reparations.

[Gauthier]

Bad shit did happen during Viking times, but that might be going too far back in time?

I live in a place where about half the places are named for Viking raiding. I think Scandinavia owes us reparations.

Were the Vikings raised by women?

[Fartsniffage]

I live in a place where about half the places are named for Viking raiding. I think Scandinavia owes us reparations.

Were the Vikings raised by women?

Only the really violent ones.

[Wallenburg]

I live in a place where about half the places are named for Viking raiding. I think Scandinavia owes us reparations.

Were the Vikings raised by women?

[The Alma Mater]

I live in a place where about half the places are named for Viking raiding. I think Scandinavia owes us reparations.

Were the Vikings raised by women?

Most viking raiders *were* women
And yes, that means that all those men whining about how the vikings sacked their villages and monastries were beaten up by girls

[Caracasus]

Were the Vikings raised by women?

Most viking raiders *were* women
And yes, that means that all those men whining about how the vikings sacked their villages and monastries were beaten up by girls

I know that there's evidence that suggests that women did "go viking" but were there really more women than men?

[Saiwania]

He's pissed because he has a PS2 instead of a PS3 and gets cold coffee, he should try living in Guantanamo if he ran a prison I doubt it would be so humane.

The PS2 is so old that it can be near flawlessly emulated with a good enough PC and the right settings. PS3 is almost fully relegated to previous gen by now. The console itself has wireless capability but if you don't want it networked, just physically have the wireless card removed.

[Imperializt Russia]

He's pissed because he has a PS2 instead of a PS3 and gets cold coffee, he should try living in Guantanamo if he ran a prison I doubt it would be so humane.

The PS2 is so old that it can be near flawlessly emulated with a good enough PC and the right settings. PS3 is almost fully relegated to previous gen by now. The console itself has wireless capability but if you don't want it networked, just physically have the wireless card removed.

Yeah, but the PS2 had substantially better third-party support as a console and on the whole has "better" games.

I need to get around to digging out my PS2 so I can dig out a bunch of my old PS1 titles.

[Risottia]

There is nothing particularly genius about this.

Or about being caught, jailed, and ridiculed by about everyone.