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Breivik: The Moral Dilemma

Postby New Tuva SSR » Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:54 pm

Infamous lone-wolf Fascist terrorist Anders Behring Breivik, known as one of the most evil men in the world, is back again. He has recently called his imprisonment inhumane and is suing the Norwegian government for violation of human rights.

SKIEN, Norway (AP) — Anders Behring Breivik, the right-wing extremist who killed 77 people in gun and bomb attacks in 2011, has sued the Norwegian government for human rights violations for keeping him imprisoned in isolation.

Here are five things to know about the case, which starts Tuesday in a gym-turned-courtroom in the prison where he is serving his sentence for terrorism and mass murder:

"INHUMAN" CONDITIONS

Breivik, 37, has sued the government for allegedly breaching articles on torture and the right to private and family life in the European Convention on Human Rights. Breivik says he's been subjected to "degrading" treatment with frequent strip searches and handcuffing. He also argues that it is "inhuman" to keep him isolated from other prisoners and to strictly control his mail correspondence and visitors.

GOVERNMENT REJECTS CLAIMS

The government says the conditions Breivik faces in prison are "well within" what's allowed under the European Convention on Human Rights. It says authorities are treating Breivik humanely and with dignity despite the severity of his crimes. It also says the restrictions he faces, including no contact with other prisoners, is for his own safety, that of prison staff and society at large.

HELD IN ISOLATION

Breivik is serving a 21-year sentence, which can be extended for the rest of his life, as the only inmate in a high-security section of Skien prison, a two-hour drive south of Oslo. He has three cells at his disposal: one where he sleeps, one where he studies and one where he exercises. He has a TV, PlayStation and a computer without Internet connection. He is also given daily access to an exercise yard. The government says he's recently been allowed to cook his own food. His mail correspondence is strictly controlled by prison officials to make sure he doesn't make contact with other right-wing extremists.

FOUR-DAY TRIAL

After opening arguments on Tuesday, Breivik is set to take the stand on Wednesday. Breivik has called two witnesses to testify: prison psychiatrist Randi Rosenqvist and Helga Fastrup Ervik from Norway's ombudsman against torture and ill-treatment. Government witnesses include officials and doctors from the two prisons where Breivik has been held since his arrest. Closing arguments are set for Friday. The court's verdict is expected a month later.

SURVIVORS STAYING AWAY

Survivors and families of victims are trying to ignore the trial, which some fear will reopen emotional wounds. Breivik was convicted in 2012 of terrorism and mass murder for a bombing in Oslo and shooting massacre on Utoya island on July 22, 2011. Some worry that he will try to use the case to bring attention to his extremist views. In a manifesto released just before the attacks, Breivik wrote that militant nationalist should use prison time to "consolidate and recruit patriotic resistance fighters.


If you don't know who Breivik is, he is a Norwegian terrorist who killed 77 people in one day, gaining infamy. However, he can only serve 21 years (which can and probably will be prolonged) due to Norwegian law. He is known for his use of clever tactics. To prepare for the Utøya attacks, he started a fertilizer company, secretly using components in the fertilizer to create explosives.

So what do you think, NSG? Should Breivik win the case or be sent back to jail? I believe he should be executed, but that is my opinion. And is he truly an evil genius?

UPDATE:

It appears a moral debate is taking place. Some wish to see him tortured and beaten, or just outright executed, while some want to see him be treated justly but humanely. Where do you stand in this debate?

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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:56 pm

There is nothing particularly genius about this.

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Postby Mugrul » Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:59 pm

Breivik is no genius. But I agree, he deserves the death penalty.

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Postby Gauthier » Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:03 pm

If he calls his isolating inhumane, then the Norwegian government should just have him transferred to general prison population.

Ideally with all the Arabic prisoners.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:03 pm

I'm struggling to find the genius.

Also, the fact he has a "TV, PlayStation and a computer without Internet connection," and he's whining about human rights violations just shows he's an entitled prat.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:06 pm

I'd love to see how long the fucker could last in Gitmo or ADX Florence.
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:09 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:I'd love to see how long the fucker could last in Gitmo or ADX Florence.


Gitmo would be fun. Put him in with all the Muslims he shot up all those people to Protect Norway from.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:11 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:I'd love to see how long the fucker could last in Gitmo or ADX Florence.


Gitmo would be fun. Put him in with all the Muslims he shot up all those people to Protect Norway from.

Be quicker than he deserves.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:15 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:I'd love to see how long the fucker could last in Gitmo or ADX Florence.


Gitmo would be fun. Put him in with all the Muslims he shot up all those people to Protect Norway from.


Yeah......we don't do that. There's a reason we get to claim at least a little bit of the moral high ground, and transferring prisoners into a place where they'll just get killed is a part of that.

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:20 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Gitmo would be fun. Put him in with all the Muslims he shot up all those people to Protect Norway from.


Yeah......we don't do that. There's a reason we get to claim at least a little bit of the moral high ground, and transferring prisoners into a place where they'll just get killed is a part of that.


We have the moral high ground because none of us mass murdered children for our petty little xenophobia.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:25 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Yeah......we don't do that. There's a reason we get to claim at least a little bit of the moral high ground, and transferring prisoners into a place where they'll just get killed is a part of that.


We have the moral high ground because none of us mass murdered children for our petty little xenophobia.


I'm thinking that people bombed by coalition forces might have a different opinion to you. But what do I know?

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:26 pm

Breivik really isn't a genius.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:27 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
We have the moral high ground because none of us mass murdered children for our petty little xenophobia.


I'm thinking that people bombed by coalition forces might have a different opinion to you. But what do I know?

That's a group that does not include Anders Breivik.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:30 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
I'm thinking that people bombed by coalition forces might have a different opinion to you. But what do I know?

That's a group that does not include Anders Breivik.

Does that mean we can treat him inhumanely and maintain the moral high-ground?
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Postby The balkens » Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:36 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:That's a group that does not include Anders Breivik.

Does that mean we can treat him inhumanely and maintain the moral high-ground?


not really, least in my opinion.

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Postby Jochistan » Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:38 pm

Is torture illegal in Norway?
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Postby The balkens » Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:38 pm

Jochistan wrote:Is torture illegal in Norway?


probably.

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Postby Geilinor » Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:44 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:That's a group that does not include Anders Breivik.

Does that mean we can treat him inhumanely and maintain the moral high-ground?

Putting him in a prison with the people he hates is hardly inhumane, but it would be dangerous.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:47 pm

He has three cells at his disposal: one where he sleeps, one where he studies and one where he exercises. He has a TV, PlayStation and a computer without Internet connection. He is also given daily access to an exercise yard. The government says he's recently been allowed to cook his own food. His mail correspondence is strictly controlled by prison officials to make sure he doesn't make contact with other right-wing extremists.

Seriously?
He also argues that it is "inhuman" to keep him isolated from other prisoners and to strictly control his mail correspondence and visitors.

I'm sure contact with other prisoners would turn out very well for him. :roll:
Breivik says he's been subjected to "degrading" treatment with frequent strip searches and handcuffing.

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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:04 pm

Bitch, shut the fuck up. You have access to three cells and video games. :roll:
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:12 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:That's a group that does not include Anders Breivik.

Does that mean we can treat him inhumanely and maintain the moral high-ground?

With a piece of shit like this, I don't believe it's actually possible to lose the moral high ground.

I don't know if it makes a difference or not, but it's not his punishment that I take issue with. I accept that his sentence is only technically 21 years, since he'll almost certainly be in prison for the rest of his life. I can grudgingly tolerate the fact that he has a TV, gaming system, and far more room than he needs. But that this waste of matter has the audacity to claim that this all constitutes cruel and unusual punishment, when on any other continent he'd more likely than not be dead by now, and otherwise be wishing he was? That is what really gets me. So fuck him. Let's show him some real cruel and unusual punishment. He thinks that's bad? Give him forty square feet. Give him bread and water twice a day. Make his only human contact a guard coming in to bash in his smug fucking face. Then let's see if he complains about not having his fucking Playstation 3.

I don't fucking know. I know I'm not being rational right now. I know that I hate this stain more than anything else in the fucking world right now. I know I want to smash his fucking skull open. I know I hate you right now for making me even consider that it's not right to treat this mass-murdering scumbag like a piece of subhuman trash, and I know I hate myself a little bit right now for using that word.

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Postby MolokoPlus » Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:18 pm

Gitmo, quite frankly, sounds like a great environment for Breivik. I have little legroom for forgiveness when it comes to the truly deranged and sociopathical who wreak havoc on this earth.
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Postby Jochistan » Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:28 pm

3 rooms, TV and Video games?

Motherfucker has it better than I do.

Lol. They should wake him up every morning with the call to prayer.
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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:30 pm

Jochistan wrote:3 rooms, TV and Video games?
Motherfucker has it better than I do.
Lol. They should wake him up every morning with the call to prayer.

We want to keep him from being a danger to the public, not make him a danger to his guards. :unsure:
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:33 pm

If he were a genius he'd have broken out by now. Besides, if his treatment is torture, then every criminal on the planet must be executed or released, since he's living in luxury for a thief, let alone a convicted terrorist and mass murderer.
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