GOP Primary Megathread III: Third Time's A Charm

[USS Monitor]

But who is risking more? The guy throwing rocks at the corrupt establishment or the guy on the inside throwing the furniture out the window?

I'm not sure what this analogy is supposed to mean.

The guy throwing furniture out the window is risking more because he has more to lose and is closer to the people he's pissing off. But with Trump and Sanders, it's debatable who is more of an insider.

I'm also not sure what who's risking more has to do with who is more qualified to be president.

[Liriena]

As opposed to risking one's personal physical integrity, like the actual anti-establishment revolutionaries of the past two centuries?

Go home Rosa Luxemburg. No Freikorps exists today.

What is it with you and nonsensical responses?

[AiliailiA]

They could tell their supporters to vote for each other based on the state they're in, like what Rubio did. Of course, Cruz seems to think he's leading his own movement, so that's rather unlikely.

I think Kasich wouldn't like the idea because it looks underhanded and goes against the image he's been cultivating. He refused to reciprocate when Rubio tried it.

Keeping Rubio in the race wasn't in Kasich's interests though.

Too cynical?

[USS Monitor]

More like Bernie has a brain and Trump had his removed so he could fill his skull with fertilizer for his hair. Now you know why Bernie is going bald. Not enough hair fertilizer.

On a serious note, Trump isn't careful with anybody's money regardless whether it's his or investors'.

Here is my gripe with Bernie, and Socialism in general. Why should I be my brother's keeper if I do not get to choose my brother? Beyond public goods why should I be compelled to pay for others?

I think we must have different definitions of public goods. The stuff Bernie wants to pay for with tax dollars are public goods.

[Liriena]

Agree and amplify....learn it, live it, love it. But to be fair you never addressed my issue with Bernie's policies. Why should I be my brother's keeper if I do not get to chose my brother?

Because you really don't want to live in a country where millions of people are driven to desperation by lack of access to the means necessary to have a dignified life.

[Liriena]

Here is my gripe with Bernie, and Socialism in general.

Bernie Sanders is not a socialist.

If you think socialism is all about universal public healthcare, tuition-free college education, and a better-funded welfare state, I have bad news for you.

[AiliailiA]

But with Trump and Sanders, it's debatable who is more of an insider.

It's really not. Sanders has been in Congress for fifteen years (as a Rep before a Senator). As an Independent? So what.

Veteran of Congress = Insider to the people who think Insider is a bad thing.

If he'd ever been a serious problem for the Democratic party, they could have got rid of him easily enough. Run a candidate against him.

[Lowell Leber]

Solindra (or whatever it was called)

So, corporate corruption?

Rohm Emmanuel (good ole political boss that I dislike but respect)

What did the Obama administration did in relation to him?

Benghazi (CinC is responsible ultimately).

You mean the tragedy that was turned into a GOP-manufactured scandal? In which, after several investigations, no evidence of wrongdoing on Obama or Clinton's part was found?

Not much change from the previous eight years.

Other than, you know, new health care legislation, changes in foreign policy (including no longer being involved in a costly war in Iraq and Afghanistan), economic recovery, marriage equality nationwide...

Marriage Equality..so what?
Mr. Emmanuel...the left's version of Karl Rove.
Benghazi...a complete fuck up.
Afghanistan and Iraq...well our supporters in those countries got change they could believe in, at the mouth of an AK.
The Right has failed in the US, but then the Left failed more so. And in the meantime all of the Left's social policies have failed. But I give the Left credit...at least they had social policies. Eight...no sixteen years of change or "compassionate conservatism" have made this nation and body politic a mess. Mr. Trump is a corrupt demagogue, but at least he says if not means what this country needs and wants to hear, and optimistically will get.

[AiliailiA]

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Yeah right.

[Lowell Leber]

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Yeah right.

Awesome counter in our civil debate...Are you triggered by that in my signature?

[AiliailiA]

Yeah right.

Awesome counter to our debate...Are you triggered by that in my signature?

I remember you. And I disagree with the claim in your sig.

[Lowell Leber]

Awesome counter to our debate...Are you triggered by that in my signature?

I remember you. And I disagree with the claim in your sig.

What does that have to do with this debate?

[Liriena]

Marriage Equality..so what?

Wow, thanks for nonchalantly dismissing an issue that was fundamentally important for LGBT+ Americans.

Mr. Emmanuel...the left's version of Karl Rove.

Ah-huh.

Benghazi...a complete fuck up.

That investigations concluded had nothing to do with Obama or Clinton.

Afghanistan and Iraq...well our supporters in those countries got change they could believe in, at the mouth of an AK.

Ah-huh.

The Right has failed in the US, but then the Left failed more so.

Sure, the left failed even more so... despite the fact that the American left has not had even an iota of power in the United States for a while now.

And in the meantime all of the Left's social policies have failed.

[citation needed]

Mr. Trump is a corrupt demagogue, but at least he says if not means what this country needs and wants to hear, and optimistically will get.

And that's why you voting for him? Because he's honest about the fact that he's a crook?

What are you smoking, and why aren't you sharing?

[Liriena]

I remember you. And I disagree with the claim in your sig.

What does that have to do with this debate?

About as much as your "Soviet economists" comment. Maybe more.

[USS Monitor]

But with Trump and Sanders, it's debatable who is more of an insider.

It's really not. Sanders has been in Congress for fifteen years (as a Rep before a Senator). As an Independent? So what.

Veteran of Congress = Insider to the people who think Insider is a bad thing.

If he'd ever been a serious problem for the Democratic party, they could have got rid of him easily enough. Run a candidate against him.

In Vermont? Vermont loves him.

But that's not really my point. My point is that Trump can use his money to influence things even if he doesn't have an official title. Sanders doesn't have the money to do anything without popular support.

[Lowell Leber]

What does that have to do with this debate?

About as much as your "Soviet economists" comment. Maybe more.

So the LGBT community has marriage rights now. Non issue to me. A former NS user and my affinity for the sadistic humor in his posts has no relivancy to this conversation. And I smoke Camel Lights...I would glady give you one to continue this conversation.

[Idzequitch]

Politico: How Kasich's religion is hurting him with conservatives.

"Over the years, he [Kasich] has spoken enough about his faith and quoted Scripture often enough, that it is possible to tie many of his political decisions to tenets of his faith—especially the ones that deviate from GOP orthodoxy."

This is one of my favorite articles that I've read this political cycle. As much as the GOP would love to believe that the Bible is the official book of the Republican Party, Kasich shows that the book they love to tout so much is actually, in some ways, directly at odds with the foundation of their platform. Dear Holier-Than-Thou Republicans: John Kasich is holier than thou.

[Lowell Leber]

Politico: How Kasich's religion is hurting him with conservatives.

"Over the years, he [Kasich] has spoken enough about his faith and quoted Scripture often enough, that it is possible to tie many of his political decisions to tenets of his faith—especially the ones that deviate from GOP orthodoxy."

This is one of my favorite articles that I've read this political cycle. As much as the GOP would love to believe that the Bible is the official book of the Republican Party, Kasich shows that the book they love to tout so much is actually, in some ways, directly at odds with the foundation of their platform. Dear Holier-Than-Thou Republicans: John Kasich is holier than thou.

That answered...absolutely nothing I have written tonight.

[Lowell Leber]

#Stumped

[AiliailiA]

Politico: How Kasich's religion is hurting him with conservatives.

"Over the years, he [Kasich] has spoken enough about his faith and quoted Scripture often enough, that it is possible to tie many of his political decisions to tenets of his faith—especially the ones that deviate from GOP orthodoxy."

This is one of my favorite articles that I've read this political cycle. As much as the GOP would love to believe that the Bible is the official book of the Republican Party, Kasich shows that the book they love to tout so much is actually, in some ways, directly at odds with the foundation of their platform. Dear Holier-Than-Thou Republicans: John Kasich is holier than thou.

That answered...absolutely nothing I have written tonight.

How is that relevant to the debate we are having?

[Myrensis]

Politico: How Kasich's religion is hurting him with conservatives.

"Over the years, he [Kasich] has spoken enough about his faith and quoted Scripture often enough, that it is possible to tie many of his political decisions to tenets of his faith—especially the ones that deviate from GOP orthodoxy."

This is one of my favorite articles that I've read this political cycle. As much as the GOP would love to believe that the Bible is the official book of the Republican Party, Kasich shows that the book they love to tout so much is actually, in some ways, directly at odds with the foundation of their platform. Dear Holier-Than-Thou Republicans: John Kasich is holier than thou.

I suppose Kasich being a Republican highlights it more, but people have been pointing out for quite some time that while religious conservatives are quick to invoke the name of Jesus, they generally seem much more enamored of fire and brimstone and Old Testament judgment than they are of his long-haired hippy talk about loving your neighbor and caring for the poor and looking to your own sins before (self-)righteously condemning others.

[Maineiacs]

To Trump supporters here: Why do you support him?

He tells it like it is.

No, he reinforces what you already wished to believe. That's not the same thing.

[Idzequitch]

Politico: How Kasich's religion is hurting him with conservatives.

"Over the years, he [Kasich] has spoken enough about his faith and quoted Scripture often enough, that it is possible to tie many of his political decisions to tenets of his faith—especially the ones that deviate from GOP orthodoxy."

This is one of my favorite articles that I've read this political cycle. As much as the GOP would love to believe that the Bible is the official book of the Republican Party, Kasich shows that the book they love to tout so much is actually, in some ways, directly at odds with the foundation of their platform. Dear Holier-Than-Thou Republicans: John Kasich is holier than thou.

That answered...absolutely nothing I have written tonight.

It wasn't meant to. My NS posting habits don't revolve around you.

I suppose Kasich being a Republican highlights it more, but people have been pointing out for quite some time that while religious conservatives are quick to invoke the name of Jesus, they generally seem much more enamored of fire and brimstone and Old Testament judgment than they are of his long-haired hippy talk about loving your neighbor and caring for the poor and looking to your own sins before (self-)righteously condemning others.

As a Christian Republican (RINO by most standards nowadays), that's always been my big issue. If you're gonna talk about Jesus, you might at least want to act like you know a thing or two that he said.

[AiliailiA]

It's really not. Sanders has been in Congress for fifteen years (as a Rep before a Senator). As an Independent? So what.

Veteran of Congress = Insider to the people who think Insider is a bad thing.

If he'd ever been a serious problem for the Democratic party, they could have got rid of him easily enough. Run a candidate against him.

In Vermont? Vermont loves him.

And that stops the Republicans running Senate candidates in Vermont, doesn't it?

He's been a Democrat In All But Name ... it's a pity that doesn't have a funny acronym.

But that's not really my point. My point is that Trump can use his money to influence things even if he doesn't have an official title. Sanders doesn't have the money to do anything without popular support.

Ah. I missed that point, I'll look again:

But who is risking more? The guy throwing rocks at the corrupt establishment or the guy on the inside throwing the furniture out the window?

I'm not sure what this analogy is supposed to mean.

The guy throwing furniture out the window is risking more because he has more to lose and is closer to the people he's pissing off. But with Trump and Sanders, it's debatable who is more of an insider.

I'm also not sure what who's risking more has to do with who is more qualified to be president.

I don't know what the analogy is supposed to mean either. Your reply back then seemed to be trying to make some point, which you've now made clearer, but I see I should never have got into this. Classic case of Garbage In Garbage Out.

[Philjia]

As an aside to the debate that just happened, I feel that I should point out that in Britain it's still a mystery to a lot of us as to why people in the US put up with the appalling poverty and think it's justifiable.