GOP Primary Megathread III: Third Time's A Charm

[USS Monitor]

That could explain how he got all the terrible ideas he already has.

Those on the left have the current Mr. President a pass for eight years for a more subtle form of the same behavior that you two detest.

Obama doesn't go around insulting his rivals for how much they sweat and bragging about the size of his dick.

[Idzequitch]

Because he makes alot of the people in power squirm that I want to squirm.

If it's an anti-establishment sentiment that guides you... why vote for someone who has been a part of the establishment his whole life? Trump is not a revolutionary from the American political underground. He's a multimillionaire who's repeatedly stood beside establishment politicians, and appears to have only decided to "go rogue" in the least underdog-ish way imaginable when his ego finally got the best of him.

This is the thing that puzzles me the most. He gets credit for being so anti-establishment when he has a laundry list of "establishment" candidates that he's enabled in the past.

[Liriena]

To Trump supporters here: Why do you support him?

He tells it like it is.

Except he doesn't. When he's not lying, he's speaking pure, unadulterated nonsense. Have you actually listened to the responses he gives to questions in interviews and debates? Or checked Politifact's rating of his sayings?

[Lowell Leber]

Because he makes alot of the people in power squirm that I want to squirm.

If it's an anti-establishment sentiment that guides you... why vote for someone who has been a part of the establishment his whole life? Trump is not a revolutionary from the American political underground. He's a multimillionaire who's repeatedly stood beside establishment politicians, and appears to have only decided to "go rogue" in the least underdog-ish way imaginable when his ego finally got the best of him.

Because he has zero, instead of an undefined, grasp of economics.

You do realize that actual economists have endorsed Sanders, right? And have denounced Trump's own proposals as damaging to the economy?

And Soviet economists sang the same songs. And Trump was and may still be corrupt. But who is risking more? The guy throwing rocks at the corrupt establishment or the guy on the inside throwing the furniture out the window?

[Trumpostan]

To Trump supporters here: Why do you support him?

He tells it like it is. He dominates that category of speaking. The other candidates are full of spin or scripted answers.

Trump lies all the time. The ultimate all blather no substance candidate.

[Lowell Leber]

Those on the left have the current Mr. President a pass for eight years for a more subtle form of the same behavior that you two detest.

Obama doesn't go around insulting his rivals for how much they sweat and bragging about the size of his dick.

Maybe he should...not really hence my reference to more "subtle" forms of the same behavior.

[Idzequitch]

Obama doesn't go around insulting his rivals for how much they sweat and bragging about the size of his dick.

Maybe he should...not really hence my reference to more "subtle" forms of the same behavior.

Would you care to enlighten us on exactly what you're referring to?

[Lowell Leber]

He tells it like it is. He dominates that category of speaking. The other candidates are full of spin or scripted answers.

Trump lies all the time. The ultimate all blather no substance candidate.

Please list every single lie. I do not dismiss all of them but that is a sweeping statement you made.

[USS Monitor]

How many times has he gone bankrupt? How many times has Trump gone bankrupt?

Bernie left Burlington in much better shape than Trump leaves his businesses.

Bernie was more frugal with OTHER people's money, of course he took less risk.

More like Bernie has a brain and Trump had his removed so he could fill his skull with fertilizer for his hair. Now you know why Bernie is going bald. Not enough hair fertilizer.

On a serious note, Trump isn't careful with anybody's money regardless whether it's his or investors'.

[Idzequitch]

He tells it like it is. He dominates that category of speaking. The other candidates are full of spin or scripted answers.

Trump lies all the time. The ultimate all blather no substance candidate.

In fairness, minus the big words, that sounds exactly like something Trump would say.

[Liriena]

He tells it like it is.

Except he doesn't. When he's not lying, he's speaking pure, unadulterated nonsense. Have you actually listened to the responses he gives to questions in interviews and debates? Or checked Politifact's rating of his sayings?

Seriously, just read his answer to a question on the nuclear triad. He only "tells it like it is" in the sense that his manner of speaking sounds like a poorly informed person's unfiltered stream of consciousness, rather than a properly thought-out and structured argument.

[USS Monitor]

If it's an anti-establishment sentiment that guides you... why vote for someone who has been a part of the establishment his whole life? Trump is not a revolutionary from the American political underground. He's a multimillionaire who's repeatedly stood beside establishment politicians, and appears to have only decided to "go rogue" in the least underdog-ish way imaginable when his ego finally got the best of him.

This is the thing that puzzles me the most. He gets credit for being so anti-establishment when he has a laundry list of "establishment" candidates that he's enabled in the past.

I don't get it either.

[Lowell Leber]

Maybe he should...not really hence my reference to more "subtle" forms of the same behavior.

Would you care to enlighten us on exactly what you're referring to?

"Change we can believe in". Which I did in 2008. Instead more SJW empty rhetoric and corruption.

[Liriena]

If it's an anti-establishment sentiment that guides you... why vote for someone who has been a part of the establishment his whole life? Trump is not a revolutionary from the American political underground. He's a multimillionaire who's repeatedly stood beside establishment politicians, and appears to have only decided to "go rogue" in the least underdog-ish way imaginable when his ego finally got the best of him.


You do realize that actual economists have endorsed Sanders, right? And have denounced Trump's own proposals as damaging to the economy?

And Soviet economists sang the same songs.

Nice red herring, but I'd prefer it well-cooked.

And Trump was and may still be corrupt.

You don't know half of it. This is the man who whines about foreigners taking his fellow Americans' jobs... all the while openly using foreign labour to make his products.

But who is risking more? The guy throwing rocks at the corrupt establishment or the guy on the inside throwing the furniture out the window?

Typically, those outside of the establishment are at a greater risk, since they lack the establishment's privileges.

[Lowell Leber]

Bernie was more frugal with OTHER people's money, of course he took less risk.

More like Bernie has a brain and Trump had his removed so he could fill his skull with fertilizer for his hair. Now you know why Bernie is going bald. Not enough hair fertilizer.

On a serious note, Trump isn't careful with anybody's money regardless whether it's his or investors'.

Here is my gripe with Bernie, and Socialism in general. Why should I be my brother's keeper if I do not get to choose my brother? Beyond public goods why should I be compelled to pay for others?

[Liriena]

Would you care to enlighten us on exactly what you're referring to?

"Change we can believe in". Which I did in 2008. Instead more SJW empty rhetoric and corruption.

Okay, you are throwing a lot of terms together, and I'm not seeing the connection between them. Obama's rhetoric is not even remotely close to the one commonly associated with "SJW", and as for corruption... whut?

[Lowell Leber]

And Soviet economists sang the same songs.

Nice red herring, but I'd prefer it well-cooked.

And Trump was and may still be corrupt.

You don't know half of it. This is the man who whines about foreigners taking his fellow Americans' jobs... all the while openly using foreign labour to make his products.

But who is risking more? The guy throwing rocks at the corrupt establishment or the guy on the inside throwing the furniture out the window?

Typically, those outside of the establishment are at a greater risk, since they lack the establishment's privileges.

It is much riskier to risk the loss of said privileges.

[Lowell Leber]

And Soviet economists sang the same songs.

Nice red herring, but I'd prefer it well-cooked.

And Trump was and may still be corrupt.

You don't know half of it. This is the man who whines about foreigners taking his fellow Americans' jobs... all the while openly using foreign labour to make his products.

But who is risking more? The guy throwing rocks at the corrupt establishment or the guy on the inside throwing the furniture out the window?

Typically, those outside of the establishment are at a greater risk, since they lack the establishment's privileges.

"Red" indeed...

[Liriena]

Trump lies all the time. The ultimate all blather no substance candidate.

Please list every single lie. I do not dismiss all of them but that is a sweeping statement you made.

Here's a good place to start.

As you can see, a vast majority of those statements of his that Politifact has checked over time are, at the very least, mostly false.

[Liriena]

Nice red herring, but I'd prefer it well-cooked.


You don't know half of it. This is the man who whines about foreigners taking his fellow Americans' jobs... all the while openly using foreign labour to make his products.


Typically, those outside of the establishment are at a greater risk, since they lack the establishment's privileges.

It is much riskier to risk the loss of said privileges.

As opposed to risking one's personal physical integrity, like the actual anti-establishment revolutionaries of the past two centuries?

Trump isn't making any real sacrifices in this campaign. Even if he loses, he'll still be far more wealthy and influential than most people could ever hope to be.

Those who have protested at his rallies, on the other hand, have had their physical integrity and freedom of expression imperiled on a regular basis.

[Lowell Leber]

"Change we can believe in". Which I did in 2008. Instead more SJW empty rhetoric and corruption.

Okay, you are throwing a lot of terms together, and I'm not seeing the connection between them. Obama's rhetoric is not even remotely close to the one commonly associated with "SJW", and as for corruption... whut?

Solindra (or whatever it was called) Rohm Emmanuel (good ole political boss that I dislike but respect) Benghazi (CinC is responsible ultimately). Not much change from the previous eight years.

[Lowell Leber]

It is much riskier to risk the loss of said privileges.

As opposed to risking one's personal physical integrity, like the actual anti-establishment revolutionaries of the past two centuries?

Go home Rosa Luxemburg. No Freikorps exists today.

[Liriena]

Nice red herring, but I'd prefer it well-cooked.


You don't know half of it. This is the man who whines about foreigners taking his fellow Americans' jobs... all the while openly using foreign labour to make his products.


Typically, those outside of the establishment are at a greater risk, since they lack the establishment's privileges.

"Red" indeed...

Red herring. You dismissed the opinions of several economists by bringing up "Soviet economists", which makes no logical sense. What do "Soviet economists" have to do with American economists today endorsing Bernie Sanders' policies and denouncing Trump's? The two groups are not identical or interchangeable, as far as I know, and you only claim they "sang the same songs", but apparently thought it was below you to prove your assertions.

And you respond to me pointing out the fact that what you did was a red herring by doubling down on your redbaiting nonsense?

[Lowell Leber]

Agree and amplify....learn it, live it, love it. But to be fair you never addressed my issue with Bernie's policies. Why should I be my brother's keeper if I do not get to chose my brother?

[Liriena]

Okay, you are throwing a lot of terms together, and I'm not seeing the connection between them. Obama's rhetoric is not even remotely close to the one commonly associated with "SJW", and as for corruption... whut?

Solindra (or whatever it was called)

So, corporate corruption?

Rohm Emmanuel (good ole political boss that I dislike but respect)

What did the Obama administration did in relation to him?

Benghazi (CinC is responsible ultimately).

You mean the tragedy that was turned into a GOP-manufactured scandal? In which, after several investigations, no evidence of wrongdoing on Obama or Clinton's part was found?

Not much change from the previous eight years.

Other than, you know, new health care legislation, changes in foreign policy (including no longer being involved in a costly war in Iraq and Afghanistan), economic recovery, marriage equality nationwide...