GOP Primary Megathread III: Third Time's A Charm

[Corrian]

Seems Google searches for Gary Johnson skyrocketed last night.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

We're talking electability. It's the best "Trump" card HRC holds. And BTW, fuck his insane policies. Reagan said "tear down that wall," not build another one.

Are you suggesting any other of the Republican contenders would stand the faintest chance against Clinton? Trump is a big gamble, but it is better a big gamble than a sure lose.

Trump is like gambling on flip a coin in regards of policy.

So, if all you care is winning, and fuck policy, then sure, I suppose we can say that.

[Spiffier]

He's immature (which in a way is good, he can never be destroyed by digging up something offensive he said, or something personal scandal), but I'm talking about policy.

If he is that immature why should we trust his policies?

Policies which he's been extraordinarily vague and flip-floppy on, not to mention incredibly insulting and uncomprehending (the immaturity carries over) in many cases. Oh, aside from the wall, encouraging nuclear proliferation, pissing off allies, threatening a trade war with China, and having a truly horrific tax plan. Yay?

Can you explain why we shouldn't have a wall when the drug trafficking from Mexico is epidemic? Could you explain why we should let Israel have nuclear weapons, but not our much less controversial allies? Can you explain why we should have allies who get pissed about us saying America first? Can you explain why we shouldn't take steps to fix our situation with China when our jobs and money are going over their en masse and we're getting nothing but consumerist society in return? Can you explain what's wrong with his tax plan?

[Czervenika]

The apocalypse is upon us, and America has caused it. Thanks, US presidental candidates...

[New Jerzylvania]

So then, Sarah Palin for Veep to top it all off. Or better yet, Michelle Bachman.

Why stop there? Just hire fucking Ann Coulter for the job of VP.

She's tight with Bill Maher. Maybe Christine O"Donnell? Never mind, she made her name on Politically Incorrect. Sticking with Bachman.

[Spiffier]

I'd rather his rampant personality defects than have a President who panders to big oil, the military industrial complex, and globalists. That is far, far more serious sin.

I never thought Christians' support of globalism was a sin.

If anything, we're the most pro-globalism out there.

Not when globalism means things like the TPP and George Soros.

[Spiffier]

Are you suggesting any other of the Republican contenders would stand the faintest chance against Clinton? Trump is a big gamble, but it is better a big gamble than a sure lose.

Trump is like gambling on flip a coin in regards of policy.

So, if all you care is winning, and fuck policy, then sure, I suppose we can say that.

Trump has great policy, it would allow an alignment with Russia.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

If he is that immature why should we trust his policies?

Policies which he's been extraordinarily vague and flip-floppy on, not to mention incredibly insulting and uncomprehending (the immaturity carries over) in many cases. Oh, aside from the wall, encouraging nuclear proliferation, pissing off allies, threatening a trade war with China, and having a truly horrific tax plan. Yay?

1. Can you explain why we shouldn't have a wall when the drug trafficking from Mexico is epidemic?
2. Could you explain why we should let Israel have nuclear weapons, but not our much less controversial allies?
3, Can you explain why we should have allies who get pissed about us saying America first?
4, Can you explain why we shouldn't take steps to fix our situation with China when our jobs and money are going over their en masse and we're getting nothing but consumerist society in return?
5. Can you explain what's wrong with his tax plan?

1. Walls simply do not work. And even if Trump thinks so, Congress wouldn't back it. Not in their right minds anyways. Unless you are forgetting they're fucking stingy bastards who bitched about Obama's increases of deficit for 8 years and drove us to a fucking shutdown.

2. Because America loves the shit out of Israel. America thinks Israel is God's land and that they must protect it lest it comes the end of times. Evangelical protestantism does that to you.

3. Because we are taking an isolationist posture not seen since post World War I. The world is not the same as it was in 1920.

4. It's not going over there en masse. You kidding me? Even by today's standards, we're getting a HUGE amount of our dollars back per every dollar we invest with the Chinese.

5. If you mean the tax plan on his site, he's more progressive than his adversaries, but against Democrats I think he's bound to meet a few criticisms because, as we all know, most of the power of the bag is within Congress. Even if he was elected, he's promising a lot that a lot of the right-wing lobby would never accept. The Cruz coalition in Congress would destroy him.

[Conserative Morality]

Can you explain why we shouldn't have a wall when the drug trafficking from Mexico is epidemic?

Probably because first and foremost the image of the drug-mule border-hopping under cover of night is both wrong and reflects an ignorance of the subject, or misinformation that is both broad and deep.

Could you explain why we should let Israel have nuclear weapons, but not our much less controversial allies?

1. Israel shouldn't have nukes. Most countries shouldn't have nukes. Arguably, no countries should have nukes. But the point of Israel acquiring nukes is long past; it's a fait accompli.

2. The entire point of nuclear non-proliferation is containment. Quarantine. Stop it from spreading.

Can you explain why we should have allies who get pissed about us saying America first?

Presumably because we get pissed when France and Britain say "France/UK first!" and leave us out to dry.

The point of allies is that we're supposed to back one another up.

Can you explain why we shouldn't take steps to fix our situation with China when our jobs and money are going over their en masse and we're getting nothing but consumerist society in return?

Because our "jobs and money" aren't, contrary to popular belief, 'fleeing' to China.

Can you explain what's wrong with his tax plan?

Holy Christ. Namely that it would create an even more massive budget-imbalance focused on tax breaks for the wealthiest brackets which already get away with paying jack shit?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I never thought Christians' support of globalism was a sin.

If anything, we're the most pro-globalism out there.

Not when globalism means things like the TPP and George Soros.

What's wrong with the TPP? And George Soros? The fuck?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Seems Google searches for Gary Johnson skyrocketed last night.

Indeed they did, everyone is starting to Feel the Johnson

[Conserative Morality]

What's wrong with the TPP? And George Soros? The fuck?

As a wise man once posted...

[Soldati Senza Confini]

What's wrong with the TPP? And George Soros? The fuck?

As a wise man once posted...

Of course, of course. The jewluminati is going to doom us all to a lifetime of fucking each other in the ass while we eat doritos and drink mt. dew.

Stick to the conspiracies *nods*

[Novus America]

What's wrong with the TPP? And George Soros? The fuck?

As a wise man once posted...

And the next scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjbUnn32_zU

Trump is the train, Hillary the bus, and Harrison Ford the American people...

[Sylvaniaa]

The 10 Most Important Reasons Trump Would Make a Great President

Trump believes in American exceptionalism.
Trump is tough, unafraid to flex America’s muscles, and has the backbone America needs to take on the evil growing around the world.
Trump is an experienced and tough dealmaker.
Trump is not politically correct; he’s not afraid to say what he believes and has ignited an honest debate.
Trump demands high performance and will fire anyone that doesn’t meet his high standards.
Trump is committed to education.
Trump “built that business” and many more and will run America like a business.
Trump will not balance his job as President with golf and other social events.
Trump’s loyalty will be only to America and Americans—not any political party, special interest group or foreign entity.
Trump will support American laws, the Constitution, and the nation’s borders.

[Idzequitch]

Trump is like gambling on flip a coin in regards of policy.

So, if all you care is winning, and fuck policy, then sure, I suppose we can say that.

Trump has great policy, it would allow an alignment with Russia.

What is his policy though? Trade wars and walls are not policies, btw, and this is an important distinction.
The wall is not a policy. It's a goal. Same with trade wars in China, and aligning with Russia, and bombing the hell out of ISIS. None of those are policies. They're goals he hopes to accomplish. Now the goals can give us clues about his policy, but the fact remains that he's been running for months and has yet to really express any kind of policy. Or when he has tried, he's failed (See: abortion).

I wonder if Trump knows his own policies., because he sure can't seem to tell them to us.

[Dragonia Re Xzua]

Trump has won the primaries

Could this be the end of American democracy?

The apocalypse is upon us, and America has caused it. Thanks, US presidental candidates...

I'll admit, it's been a long damn time since I've seen an overreaction like this before.

Actually he's great. The Democrats could have lost the elections if it hadn't been for him.

I have seen so many people saying things like this, and it deeply disturbs me.

Their seems to be a wide spread assumption that the Democrats can't possibly lose. But people have been acting like Donald couldn't possibly win ever since he started running, and he's now the Republican nominee. This attitude on the Left that he can't win is dangerous complacency and overconfidence.

The worst possible thing we could do is assume we've won and half-ass this election.

And frankly, acting like his nomination is a good thing because he can't beat the Democrats would be very wrong even if the underlying assumption were true. Even if he loses, his being the nominee will further legitimize bigotry and political violence as part of the mainstream of American politics, and make America look even more foolish and dangerous in the eyes of the rest of the world.

People who said that Trump couldn't possibly win the Republican nomination were wrong. It's not too big of a leap to assume that people who said that the Democrats will not lose might be wrong as well. There were several predictions in this election season that turned out to be bullshit.
"Sanders will not make any more than single digits in the polls" >Is now a viable threat to the Clinton campaign.
"Trump is not a serious candidate and will not make it to the primaries" > Is now the winner of the Republican primaries.

Lastly, the belief that x won the primaries of a political party = a guarantee victory for the opposing political party is nothing but pure arrogance.

[Novus America]

Trump is like gambling on flip a coin in regards of policy.

So, if all you care is winning, and fuck policy, then sure, I suppose we can say that.

Trump has great policy, it would allow an alignment with Russia.

Why the hell would we want to align with Russia?!

[Idzequitch]

The 10 Most Important Reasons Trump Would Make a Great President

Trump believes in American exceptionalism.
Trump is tough, unafraid to flex America’s muscles, and has the backbone America needs to take on the evil growing around the world.
Trump is an experienced and tough dealmaker.
Trump is not politically correct; he’s not afraid to say what he believes and has ignited an honest debate.
Trump demands high performance and will fire anyone that doesn’t meet his high standards.
Trump is committed to education.
Trump “built that business” and many more and will run America like a business.
Trump will not balance his job as President with golf and other social events.
Trump’s loyalty will be only to America and Americans—not any political party, special interest group or foreign entity.
Trump will support American laws, the Constitution, and the nation’s borders.

I can't help but notice that none of the "Top Ten Reasons" even mentions his policies. Just the same vague ideas we always get.

[Greed and Death]

Texas should secede can't risk a Trump presidency.

[Novus America]

The 10 Most Important Reasons Trump Would Make a Great President

Trump believes in American exceptionalism.
Trump is tough, unafraid to flex America’s muscles, and has the backbone America needs to take on the evil growing around the world.
Trump is an experienced and tough dealmaker.
Trump is not politically correct; he’s not afraid to say what he believes and has ignited an honest debate.
Trump demands high performance and will fire anyone that doesn’t meet his high standards.
Trump is committed to education.
Trump “built that business” and many more and will run America like a business.
Trump will not balance his job as President with golf and other social events.
Trump’s loyalty will be only to America and Americans—not any political party, special interest group or foreign entity.
Trump will support American laws, the Constitution, and the nation’s borders.

Trump inherited that business, lies and flip flops constantly.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The 10 Most Important Reasons Trump Would Make a Great President

Trump believes in American exceptionalism.
Trump is tough, unafraid to flex America’s muscles, and has the backbone America needs to take on the evil growing around the world.
Trump is an experienced and tough dealmaker.
Trump is not politically correct; he’s not afraid to say what he believes and has ignited an honest debate.
Trump demands high performance and will fire anyone that doesn’t meet his high standards.
Trump is committed to education.
Trump “built that business” and many more and will run America like a business.
Trump will not balance his job as President with golf and other social events.
Trump’s loyalty will be only to America and Americans—not any political party, special interest group or foreign entity.
Trump will support American laws, the Constitution, and the nation’s borders.

1. Oh yea? And where has this "American exceptionalism" gotten us?
2. Trump is tough. BAHAHAHAHAHAH! No.
3. Too bad business deals are not the same as diplomatic ones.
4. Not worth it.
5. The Federal Government is not his company. Why do people keep thinking the government is a business?
6. Debatable
7. You don't run a government like a business where efficiency matters. Because efficiency of government is less important than effectiveness. He also ran several of his businesses to the ground or simply grew bored with them.
8. Oh, he will. He is golf buddies with Boehner after all.
9. Nope. Not gonna happen.
10. So have Obama and Bush.

[Valaran]

If he is that immature why should we trust his policies?

Policies which he's been extraordinarily vague and flip-floppy on, not to mention incredibly insulting and uncomprehending (the immaturity carries over) in many cases. Oh, aside from the wall, encouraging nuclear proliferation, pissing off allies, threatening a trade war with China, and having a truly horrific tax plan. Yay?

Can you explain why we shouldn't have a wall when the drug trafficking from Mexico is epidemic?

In short, its ineffective, it does nothing to solve the actual problem, and it is absurdly costly and damaging to trade and bilaterla relations with the US' biggest partner in the Americas. It solves nothing and worsens a considerable deal more.

Could you explain why we should let Israel have nuclear weapons, but not our much less controversial allies?

Are you in favour of an increasingly armed nuclear world then? How about in volatile regions?

Can you explain why we should have allies who get pissed about us saying America first?

That's not why they're pissed.

Can you explain why we shouldn't take steps to fix our situation with China when our jobs and money are going over their en masse and we're getting nothing but consumerist society in return?

Becuase that's a very simplistic view of events. In shorts, its much more nuanced, the negative effects of outsourcing are concentrated, but its benefits are dispersed amongst society. However, more to the point, a trade war would not 'fix' anything.

Can you explain what's wrong with his tax plan?

Its the stupidest one to come out of the GOP primary, and that's saying quite something. Where would you like to begin.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Trump has great policy, it would allow an alignment with Russia.

Why the hell would we want to align with Russia?!

Cause we want the komrades to respect us and NATO to turn their back on us?

[Novus America]

Pardon my language, but fuck his policy (If he even has any, that is). If he's displaying behaviors that I would be grounding my children for, I'm sure as hell not going to vote for the man. He's completely unfit for the job.

I'd rather his rampant personality defects than have a President who panders to big oil, the military industrial complex, and globalists. That is far, far more serious sin.

The Clintons are not pro military or pro American oil. Bill Clinton wrecked the military. The are totally pro Saudi though.