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Postby The Enclave Government » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:39 pm

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His show has crashed websites, boosted donations and inspired legislation

Comedians mock our cultural and political institutions on TV all the time. But it’s not every day that a comic’s jokes crash a government website or directly inspire legislators to push for new laws.

John Oliver, host of HBO comedy news program Last Week Tonight, is quickly building up that level of cultural cachet. While his forebears and former colleagues Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart spend as much time lampooning the news media covering world events as they do analyzing events themselves, Oliver’s show stands out for its investigations into topics as varied as the militarization of the police state, Net neutrality and Argentina’s debt crisis.

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In June Oliver discussed how bail is often to used to keep poor, low-risk defendants locked up before they’ve even been found guilty of a crime. He noted that people who can’t afford to pay bail have two bad options: plead guilty to avoid waiting in jail or stay in jail until a trial. “Jail can do for your actual life what being in a marching band can do for you social life,” he said. “Even if you’re just in for a little while, it can destroy you.” In July, just a month after Oliver’s monologue, New York mayor Bill de Blasio announced that the city would relax bail requirements for people charged with nonviolent crimes and misdemeanors.

Oliver was highlighting corruption at FIFA, the world’s most powerful sports organization, long before U.S. officials arrested several of the federation’s top executives. In 2014 Oliver compared FIFA (unfavorably) to organized religion and called out the organization’s poor treatment of migrant workers. He was back with an even more scathing takedown on Sunday, calling for FIFA president Sepp Blatter to step down. “The problem is all the arrests in the world are going to change nothing as long as Blatter is still there,” Oliver said “To truly kill a snake, you must cut off its head — or, in this case, its asshole.” On Tuesday, Oliver got his wish—Blatter abruptly announced his resignation from FIFA.


You can read more of the article at the source, it goes over a few other Oliver takedowns. Interesting read.

Anyway, what with the millenial liberal bend of NSG, i'd wager many people view Oliver as something of a messiah speaking what they've been thinking for a long while but to a wider audience, and as a conservative i'd agree with many of his common sense points, such as the Miss America Pageant, FIFA, etc. His community actions to influence decisions is remarkable and truly rare, and it's excellent that he's able to do that and takes the initiative in doing so.

However I think it's kind of sad how that democracy has eroded to such a point where we rely on comedians like John Oliver, Jon Stewart, and Stephen Colbert to be the voice of the people and show how the government is regularly trampling the principles the people approve of. All due respect to those above, but we should be elected our representatives, not hoping that comedians echo our beliefs. We won't always have an Oliver or Stewart, and I think that we need to ask ourselves some profound questions as to how our representative democracy is so un representative.

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Postby Valaran » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:42 pm

Great guy, and he has a great team (and following), it appears. Really provides some measure of optimism in all the election craziness.

I personally found Stewart and Colbert funnier, but that's mostly based off a very specific bias I have.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:44 pm

Valaran wrote:Great guy, and he has a great team (and following), it appears. Really provides some measure of optimism in all the election craziness.

I personally found Stewart and Colbert funnier, but that's mostly based off a very specific bias I have.

To be fair they were the main duo for years before Trevor, and John rose up.
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Valaran wrote:Great guy, and he has a great team (and following), it appears. Really provides some measure of optimism in all the election craziness.

I personally found Stewart and Colbert funnier, but that's mostly based off a very specific bias I have.


Oliver tends to tackle more serious issues, Stewart tended to have ''feuds'' (which while very entertaining, didn't do much to actually change much).

Since Oliver used to work at the Daily Show, i'd wager that after Stewart forced the Zadroga Act (9/11 rescue worker compensation act) through gridlock, Oliver found himself inspired and that's where he got the idea for what he wanted to do with his career from.
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Postby New Tuva SSR » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:46 pm

But we don't rely on them to be the voice of the people. They merely present the issues and make up something funny about them. No, we just enjoy what they have to say. They make sense while being funny. I think everybody enjoys a little Oliver, Stewart or Colbert.
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Postby Valaran » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:46 pm

The Enclave Government wrote:
Valaran wrote:Great guy, and he has a great team (and following), it appears. Really provides some measure of optimism in all the election craziness.

I personally found Stewart and Colbert funnier, but that's mostly based off a very specific bias I have.


Oliver tends to tackle more serious issues, Stewart tended to have ''feuds'' (which while very entertaining, didn't do much to actually change much).

Since Oliver used to work at the Daily Show, i'd wager that after Stewart forced the Zadroga Act (9/11 rescue worker compensation act) through gridlock, Oliver found himself inspired and that's where he got the idea for what he wanted to do with his career from.


Oh I wasn't commenting on their respective political activism. I agree with that - Stewart tended to be much more cautious where he actually took stances, and also he was pioneering this to a degree. Its great to see Oliver expanding on this approach.
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Postby USHALLNOTPASS » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:47 pm

New Tuva SSR wrote:But we don't rely on them to be the voice of the people. They merely present the issues and make up something funny about them. No, we just enjoy what they have to say. They make sense while being funny. I think everybody enjoys a little Oliver, Stewart or Colbert.

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New Tuva SSR wrote:But we don't rely on them to be the voice of the people. They merely present the issues and make up something funny about them. No, we just enjoy what they have to say. They make sense while being funny. I think everybody enjoys a little Oliver, Stewart or Colbert.

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i'm what you'd call extreme right wing and personally, while i don't approve of the liberal bent on some issues, in politically neutral issues he commonly speaks for me
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:52 pm

Valaran wrote:
The Enclave Government wrote:
Oliver tends to tackle more serious issues, Stewart tended to have ''feuds'' (which while very entertaining, didn't do much to actually change much).

Since Oliver used to work at the Daily Show, i'd wager that after Stewart forced the Zadroga Act (9/11 rescue worker compensation act) through gridlock, Oliver found himself inspired and that's where he got the idea for what he wanted to do with his career from.


Oh I wasn't commenting on their respective political activism. I agree with that - Stewart tended to be much more cautious where he actually took stances, and also he was pioneering this to a degree. Its great to see Oliver expanding on this approach.

I think that's unfair to Stewart. There have been plenty times of Stewart going to "real" news shows in order to push an agenda or argue against stupidity.

His breed: Stewart, Trevor, Oliver, and Colbert; They're the Bill Nye's of political ignorance.
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Oh I wasn't commenting on their respective political activism. I agree with that - Stewart tended to be much more cautious where he actually took stances, and also he was pioneering this to a degree. Its great to see Oliver expanding on this approach.

I think that's unfair to Stewart. There have been plenty times of Stewart going to "real" news shows in order to push an agenda or argue against stupidity.

His breed: Stewart, Trevor, Oliver, and Colbert; They're the Bill Nye's of political ignorance.


I'm hardly critiquing Stewart there. Caution is no bad thing.
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:57 pm

Valaran wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:I think that's unfair to Stewart. There have been plenty times of Stewart going to "real" news shows in order to push an agenda or argue against stupidity.

His breed: Stewart, Trevor, Oliver, and Colbert; They're the Bill Nye's of political ignorance.


I'm hardly critiquing Stewart there. Caution is no bad thing.

Fair point. But I wouldn't agree that they're being cautious in this scene. Caution is not speaking out and not actively drawing the ire and annoyance of several politicians. The fact that they're willing to broach topics that most news competitors wouldn't touch is something to be admired.
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The United Remnants of America wrote:
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I'm hardly critiquing Stewart there. Caution is no bad thing.

Fair point. But I wouldn't agree that they're being cautious in this scene. Caution is not speaking out and not actively drawing the ire and annoyance of several politicians. The fact that they're willing to broach topics that most news competitors wouldn't touch is something to be admired.


The caution is relative to Oliver, who has been more strident in a shorter space of time. It was just an observation, no judgment attached to it :P

For my personal opinion, I view Stewart as nothing less than exemplary. But, this sort of goes without saying, no?
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Valaran wrote:Great guy, and he has a great team (and following), it appears. Really provides some measure of optimism in all the election craziness.

I personally found Stewart and Colbert funnier, but that's mostly based off a very specific bias I have.


I think Stewart and Colbert are funnier, but Oliver is more informative.

All of them are both funny and informative, though. I like all of them.
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USS Monitor wrote:
Valaran wrote:Great guy, and he has a great team (and following), it appears. Really provides some measure of optimism in all the election craziness.

I personally found Stewart and Colbert funnier, but that's mostly based off a very specific bias I have.


I think Stewart and Colbert are funnier, but Oliver is more informative.

All of them are both funny and informative, though. I like all of them.


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We wouldn't be stuck with comedians as the closest thing we'll probably ever get to having a citizens' lobby if our congresscritters would do the right thing and run the lobbyists and other crooks out of DC. Of course, that would involve running themselves out of town, so...
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:47 pm

Now, I'm no big city historian *hooks thumbs under suspenders* but it seems to me that comedians and other entertainers have been influencing politics since the first court jester that dared make a joke at the king's expense, if not longer.
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Ifreann wrote:Now, I'm no big city historian *hooks thumbs under suspenders* but it seems to me that comedians and other entertainers have been influencing politics since the first court jester that dared make a joke at the king's expense, if not longer.

Yet now they aren't killed for it.

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People probably said the same fucking thing about Voltaire or any other person who managed to be entertaining while making a point.
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Des-Bal wrote:People probably said the same fucking thing about Voltaire or any other person who managed to be entertaining while making a point.

Yep. Satire newspaper did the same job as him and to probably an even wider public back in the 19th century, already.
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Aelex wrote:Yep. Satire newspaper did the same job as him and to probably an even wider public back in the 19th century, already.


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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:58 pm

Considering satire has been around for millennia, this isn't anything new. Also, I don't find John Oliver to be particularly funny.
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The Enclave Government wrote:However I think it's kind of sad how that democracy has eroded to such a point where we rely on comedians like John Oliver, Jon Stewart, and Stephen Colbert to be the voice of the people and show how the government is regularly trampling the principles the people approve of. All due respect to those above, but we should be elected our representatives, not hoping that comedians echo our beliefs. We won't always have an Oliver or Stewart, and I think that we need to ask ourselves some profound questions as to how our representative democracy is so un representative.

NSG, your thoughts?

It isn't democracy that has eroded, it is the quality of newsmedia across the country. I don't understand how you are making that leap to blame an expansive political system, for a lack of information and/or public interest. Representatives tend to represent those groups who are either larger and louder or contributing constituents, regardless of how informed they are on he subject. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. I've witnessed self-described accounts from politicians who are actually well-informed on the issues to understand the nuances, but fail to do so, because there aren't nearly enough proponents on the other side, "and who in their right mind would vote against something which is generally seen as a boon to security/economy/insert-anything-here, regardless of the logistics/trade-offs" to paraphrase one. Problem is there aren't enough people raising the alarm on seemingly routine policy decisions. And say, on subjects of encryption and privacy, the people who do speak up seem to outnumber those who are genuinely informed and understand the pitfalls.

As for the media, when a bunch of satirists do a better job on informing the public than your average pundits and papers, you really have to wonder.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:16 pm

I'd say it's a pretty bad sign of the state of mainstream journalism and journalistic ethics that some of the most honest, accurate, and hard-hitting journalism is coming from comedy shows rather than the actual news. For awhile, my main news sources were, NSG, the Daily Show, and the Colbert Report. I could get better news from multiple perspectives and fact checking from a couple of comedy shows and a web forum largely populated by teenagers and young adults than I can get from any given combination of mainstream journalism outlets.
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