Solving the Cyprus Dispute Through... Refugees?

[Mefpan]

Yeah, no. So long as Turkey has a severe unsolved Erdogan problem they can fuck right the hell off as far as I am concerned no matter the issue.

Not that my opinion matters. The EU'll probably just give in again. Which is frustrating as fuck.

(So, uh, to all crusaders out there: Did you know that taking Constantinople/Istanbul alone for Christianity is liable to double Greece's population? Oh, let me guess: You have a solution for that, naturally. It's a fucking ridiculous proposal.)

[Jochistan]

(So, uh, to all crusaders out there: Did you know that taking Constantinople/Istanbul alone for Christianity is liable to double Greece's population? Oh, let me guess: You have a solution for that, naturally. It's a fucking ridiculous proposal.)

Is it genociding the Turks? Let's see if I got it right.

[Washington Resistance Army]

(So, uh, to all crusaders out there: Did you know that taking Constantinople/Istanbul alone for Christianity is liable to double Greece's population? Oh, let me guess: You have a solution for that, naturally. It's a fucking ridiculous proposal.)

Is it genociding the Turks? Let's see if I got it right.

Proper terminology is "removing" and "kebabs", lrn2crusade.

[Napkiraly]

Helenic culture is glorious and admired around the world. Turkish culture is nothing compared to Helenic culture.

Hellenic culture hasn't existed for a long time nor have the original greeks. They're Olive skinned now. And have been so since the fall of hellenism as a political entity.
Before the Ottomans.

You do realise the people living in Greece today are more or less the descendants of the Greeks living way back then, right? I mean, yes, there are a number of stupid things being said in this thread, but that doesn't necessitate making the same mistake.

[Jochistan]

Is it genociding the Turks? Let's see if I got it right.

Proper terminology is "removing" and "kebabs", lrn2crusade.

"Lol! Remove Kebab! Genocide is so silly XDDD. Serbs are so cool!"

[Jochistan]

Hellenic culture hasn't existed for a long time nor have the original greeks. They're Olive skinned now. And have been so since the fall of hellenism as a political entity.
Before the Ottomans.

You do realise the people living in Greece today are more or less the descendants of the Greeks living way back then, right? I mean, yes, there are a number of stupid things being said in this thread, but that doesn't necessitate making the same mistake.

Yeah. I know.

Mixed with Roma, Slavs and Turks.

[Napkiraly]

You do realise the people living in Greece today are more or less the descendants of the Greeks living way back then, right? I mean, yes, there are a number of stupid things being said in this thread, but that doesn't necessitate making the same mistake.

Yeah. I know.

Mixed with Roma, Slavs and Turks.

Everyone has mixed with everyone. It's like trying to denigrate Germans since they've mixed with Celts and Slavs in the past. Or English people due to Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Danes, Normans, etc. Not to mention, iirc Turks are actually predominately native Anatolian and Greek, with Turkishness mainly being a cultural and linguistic adoption (similar to what has occurred in the UK).

[Crockerland]

You do realise the people living in Greece today are more or less the descendants of the Greeks living way back then, right? I mean, yes, there are a number of stupid things being said in this thread, but that doesn't necessitate making the same mistake.

Yeah. I know.

Mixed with Roma, Slavs and Turks.

I fail to see what racial makeup has to do with Turkey's invasion of the peaceful country of Cyprus or their continued occupation of 1/3rd of it.

[Pope Joan]

There is no solution to Cyprus. It is as bad as any ancient blood feud, or worse. There can be no vision for a unified Cyprus in which one nationality or the other has not been effectively excluded.

A great book which deserves more recognition is Nikos Kazantzakis' Freedom or Death. (known on the continent as Captain Michalis)
https://muse.jhu.edu/login?auth=0&type= ... beaton.pdf

[United Marxist Nations]

And Kurdistan. Yada yada, point taken, but war with Turkey would be dangerous not because of Turkey, but because of what Putin may do during the conflict as he doesn't need to fight Turkey since we'd be doing it for him.

I can't wait for the day in which Orthodox Christians take back Constantinople.
P.S: I don't care about Kurdistan and all the other stans.

I'm converting to Orthodoxy, and I have discussed it with people more knowledgeable about the history than I am. It won't happen. Our last chance was in the 1920's. We could have held onto it if the Venetians weren't assholes and torpedoed Christendom.

PS: NEVER trust the Venetians.

[United Marxist Nations]

Yeah. I know.

Mixed with Roma, Slavs and Turks.

I fail to see what racial makeup has to do with Turkey's invasion of the peaceful country of Cyprus or their continued occupation of 1/3rd of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus_dispute

[Jochistan]

Yeah. I know.

Mixed with Roma, Slavs and Turks.

I fail to see what racial makeup has to do with Turkey's invasion of the peaceful country of Cyprus or their continued occupation of 1/3rd of it.

It was a corrupt oligarch then a goddamn junta before Turkey decided to help the Cypriot Turks there.

Peaceful as in sort of Isolated, sure. Peaceful towards it's people? More importantly to Turkey, the Cypriot Turks living there? No way.

[Jochistan]

Yeah. I know.

Mixed with Roma, Slavs and Turks.

Everyone has mixed with everyone. It's like trying to denigrate Germans since they've mixed with Celts and Slavs in the past. Or English people due to Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Danes, Normans, etc. Not to mention, iirc Turks are actually predominately native Anatolian and Greek, with Turkishness mainly being a cultural and linguistic adoption (similar to what has occurred in the UK).

Yeah. But Turks don't claim to be descended from the glorious Hittites. I'm pretty sure no one does that.

They aren't the Hittites anymore than the Greeks are descended from the Classical greeks.

[Napkiraly]

Everyone has mixed with everyone. It's like trying to denigrate Germans since they've mixed with Celts and Slavs in the past. Or English people due to Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Danes, Normans, etc. Not to mention, iirc Turks are actually predominately native Anatolian and Greek, with Turkishness mainly being a cultural and linguistic adoption (similar to what has occurred in the UK).

Yeah. But Turks don't claim to be descended from the glorious Hittites. I'm pretty sure no one does that.

They aren't the Hittites anymore than the Greeks are descended from the Classical greeks.

Except, for the fact there has been a clear identity break between Turks and the ancient Anatolians while Greece has more or less kept it.

And pretty much every group has a version of this. Many Scandinavians view themselves as the descendants of the Norse, English people with the Anglo-Saxons, Scottish with the Picts, French with the Gauls, Germans with the Germanic tribes, Italians with the Romans, Assyrians and the...well Assyrians and so on.

Anyway, that's enough of the threadjacking.

[Crockerland]

I fail to see what racial makeup has to do with Turkey's invasion of the peaceful country of Cyprus or their continued occupation of 1/3rd of it.

It was a corrupt oligarch then a goddamn junta before Turkey decided to help the Cypriot Turks there.

Peaceful as in sort of Isolated, sure. Peaceful towards it's people? More importantly to Turkey, the Cypriot Turks living there? No way.

The first vice-president of Cyprus was a Turkish Cypriot. Cyprus never attacked Turkey prior to the Turkish aggression against Cyprus in the 60s.

[Islamic Republic of Aceh]

It was a corrupt oligarch then a goddamn junta before Turkey decided to help the Cypriot Turks there.

Peaceful as in sort of Isolated, sure. Peaceful towards it's people? More importantly to Turkey, the Cypriot Turks living there? No way.

The first vice-president of Cyprus was a Turkish Cypriot. Cyprus never attacked Turkey prior to the Turkish aggression against Cyprus in the 60s.

Maybe you should read this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_intercommunal_violence

[Geilinor]

I fail to see what racial makeup has to do with Turkey's invasion of the peaceful country of Cyprus or their continued occupation of 1/3rd of it.

It was a corrupt oligarch then a goddamn junta before Turkey decided to help the Cypriot Turks there.

Peaceful as in sort of Isolated, sure. Peaceful towards it's people? More importantly to Turkey, the Cypriot Turks living there? No way.

Actually, he was an Orthodox priest who tried to prevent the conflict. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makarios_III

[Banija]

It was a corrupt oligarch then a goddamn junta before Turkey decided to help the Cypriot Turks there.

Peaceful as in sort of Isolated, sure. Peaceful towards it's people? More importantly to Turkey, the Cypriot Turks living there? No way.

Actually, he was an Orthodox priest who tried to prevent the conflict. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makarios_III

Makarios III was not the problem. He was part of the solution. The problem was when the enosis coup was launched by puppets of the Greek Military Junta in Cyprus. Turkey essentially had no choice, or Cyprus would only exist as a province of Greece, and then Cypriot Turks would have seriously been screwed.