Do we benefit from exploitation in the Third World?

[Greed and Death]

I fail to see how offering people jobs is exploitation.

When, after they have accepted it is a crime to leave or they are beaten, killed, or imprisoned for attempting to do so.

I have read much on those.
Normally they just fire people from attempting to unionize.

[United Russian State]

Thier pay in most cases is doubled, sometimes more, than what they would be able to make on their land [as many do]. They are able to provide their faimly with better lives, and have a chance to educate their kids better than what they could before on their old wage.

That's a misnomer. These workers are promised pay significantly higher than what they could get at home, but that doesn't materialize. Firstly, when they arrive they find out what they are being paid is frequently fractions of what they'd been promised before, frequently less than what they'd be making at home. Secondly, they had to pay an up-front fee for their work visa which means they're already in debt upon arrival and have to work that off.

Ah yes it does. Their pay is far more than they ever, and would of likely made, on working on their land. Also, they are not force to work [talking about legal factories], and are free to leave. Many like seeing their lives improve far more than what they once might of though so. Is it the best of work? No. However, it is a starting point. Once which leads to a better life right away with higher wages, and one that can get their family better educated to find better jobs. Their family down the line, will more than likely, be in a better "class" in the future, instead of being stuck working the land or jobless.

Which is anther point, jobs, these provide their nation with jobs which they wouldn't have before. So instead fo having a job and making the country better by producing, many of them would be jobless and taking away, not providing. Maybe all countires should be like some western countires, and just export their jobs?

Further more many of the third world countries we speak off living standards nation-wide have improved. Some are no longer thrid world countries and have huge economic growth now.

[Lackadaisical2]

Thier pay in most cases is doubled, sometimes more, than what they would be able to make on their land [as many do]. They are able to provide their faimly with better lives, and have a chance to educate their kids better than what they could before on their old wage.

That's a misnomer. These workers are promised pay significantly higher than what they could get at home, but that doesn't materialize. Firstly, when they arrive they find out what they are being paid is frequently fractions of what they'd been promised before, frequently less than what they'd be making at home. Secondly, they had to pay an up-front fee for their work visa which means they're already in debt upon arrival and have to work that off.

Ah yes it does. Their pay is far more than they ever, and would of likely made, on working on their land. Also, they are not force to work [talking about legal factories], and are free to leave. Many like seeing their lives improve far more than what they once might of though so. Is it the best of work? No. However, it is a starting point. Once which leads to a better life right away with higher wages, and one that can get their family better educated to find better jobs. Their family down the line, will more than likely, be in a better "class" in the future, instead of being stuck working the land or jobless.

Which is anther point, jobs, these provide their nation with jobs which they wouldn't have before. So instead fo having a job and making the country better by producing, many of them would be jobless and taking away, not providing. Maybe all countires should be like some western countires, and just export their jobs?

Further more many of the third world countries we speak off living standards nation-wide have improved. Some are no longer thrid world countries and have huge economic growth now.

naw, I'm pretty sure every country that ever had sweatshops only suffered as a result.

[United Russian State]

Thier pay in most cases is doubled, sometimes more, than what they would be able to make on their land [as many do]. They are able to provide their faimly with better lives, and have a chance to educate their kids better than what they could before on their old wage.

That's a misnomer. These workers are promised pay significantly higher than what they could get at home, but that doesn't materialize. Firstly, when they arrive they find out what they are being paid is frequently fractions of what they'd been promised before, frequently less than what they'd be making at home. Secondly, they had to pay an up-front fee for their work visa which means they're already in debt upon arrival and have to work that off.

Ah yes it does. Their pay is far more than they ever, and would of likely made, on working on their land. Also, they are not force to work [talking about legal factories], and are free to leave. Many like seeing their lives improve far more than what they once might of though so. Is it the best of work? No. However, it is a starting point. Once which leads to a better life right away with higher wages, and one that can get their family better educated to find better jobs. Their family down the line, will more than likely, be in a better "class" in the future, instead of being stuck working the land or jobless.

Which is anther point, jobs, these provide their nation with jobs which they wouldn't have before. So instead fo having a job and making the country better by producing, many of them would be jobless and taking away, not providing. Maybe all countires should be like some western countires, and just export their jobs?

Further more many of the third world countries we speak off living standards nation-wide have improved. Some are no longer thrid world countries and have huge economic growth now.

naw, I'm pretty sure every country that ever had sweatshops only suffered as a result.

I suppose if you ignore facts, common sense, economics, current postions of countries in economic power, job rates, yes.

[United Russian State]

Thier pay in most cases is doubled, sometimes more, than what they would be able to make on their land [as many do]. They are able to provide their faimly with better lives, and have a chance to educate their kids better than what they could before on their old wage.

That's a misnomer. These workers are promised pay significantly higher than what they could get at home, but that doesn't materialize. Firstly, when they arrive they find out what they are being paid is frequently fractions of what they'd been promised before, frequently less than what they'd be making at home. Secondly, they had to pay an up-front fee for their work visa which means they're already in debt upon arrival and have to work that off.

Ah yes it does. Their pay is far more than they ever, and would of likely made, on working on their land. Also, they are not force to work [talking about legal factories], and are free to leave. Many like seeing their lives improve far more than what they once might of though so. Is it the best of work? No. However, it is a starting point. Once which leads to a better life right away with higher wages, and one that can get their family better educated to find better jobs. Their family down the line, will more than likely, be in a better "class" in the future, instead of being stuck working the land or jobless.

Which is anther point, jobs, these provide their nation with jobs which they wouldn't have before. So instead fo having a job and making the country better by producing, many of them would be jobless and taking away, not providing. Maybe all countires should be like some western countires, and just export their jobs?

Further more many of the third world countries we speak off living standards nation-wide have improved. Some are no longer thrid world countries and have huge economic growth now.

naw, I'm pretty sure every country that ever had sweatshops only suffered as a result.

Really? I guess improving your wage, your faimly's future, and country is all bad? Or do oyu have any points you would like to share with us, maybe when I wake up you can think of something that is a real conter agrument?

[Pope Joan]

Cheap overseas labor undercuts the wages of many Americans.

The upside is that eventually the trend will even out, as outsourced labor gets harder to buy (what we outsource to India now at times gets re outsourced to Romania) corporations may be forced to start hiring Americans again.

[Lackadaisical2]

Thier pay in most cases is doubled, sometimes more, than what they would be able to make on their land [as many do]. They are able to provide their faimly with better lives, and have a chance to educate their kids better than what they could before on their old wage.

That's a misnomer. These workers are promised pay significantly higher than what they could get at home, but that doesn't materialize. Firstly, when they arrive they find out what they are being paid is frequently fractions of what they'd been promised before, frequently less than what they'd be making at home. Secondly, they had to pay an up-front fee for their work visa which means they're already in debt upon arrival and have to work that off.

Ah yes it does. Their pay is far more than they ever, and would of likely made, on working on their land. Also, they are not force to work [talking about legal factories], and are free to leave. Many like seeing their lives improve far more than what they once might of though so. Is it the best of work? No. However, it is a starting point. Once which leads to a better life right away with higher wages, and one that can get their family better educated to find better jobs. Their family down the line, will more than likely, be in a better "class" in the future, instead of being stuck working the land or jobless.

Which is anther point, jobs, these provide their nation with jobs which they wouldn't have before. So instead fo having a job and making the country better by producing, many of them would be jobless and taking away, not providing. Maybe all countires should be like some western countires, and just export their jobs?

Further more many of the third world countries we speak off living standards nation-wide have improved. Some are no longer thrid world countries and have huge economic growth now.

naw, I'm pretty sure every country that ever had sweatshops only suffered as a result.

I suppose if you ignore facts, common sense, economics, current postions of countries in economic power, job rates, yes.

Just to clarify... I've made the same argument you did, several times in the past on NSG, my comment was sarcastic.

[Whole Conviction]

Sweatshops don't exist in a vacuum. Low prices for food making farming inefficient don't exist in a vaccuum, either. Sweatshops also aren't the only way that the first world exploits the third. Look up information on Treasury Bills and similar forms of currency reserves. I can't find a cite for this, but the World Bank estimate is that the net flow of income is from the third world to the first, even including development aid.

The economic relationship between the first and third world is a very, very complex one that has a lot of history involved in it. You can't just take the last five years and snapshot it. You can't just talk about sweatshops in isolation from western farming subsidies. You can't talk about loan repayments without also mentioning T-Bills. You can't talk about economic inefficiency without talking about the IMF. No one subject stands alone. This is not a simple area.

[Rentalia]

yes we do

[Greed and Death]

Cheap overseas labor undercuts the wages of many Americans.

The upside is that eventually the trend will even out, as outsourced labor gets harder to buy (what we outsource to India now at times gets re outsourced to Romania) corporations may be forced to start hiring Americans again.

also drives down the price of goods and services.

[Bavungria]

this thread can't die !!!!

[Ravea]

There is still slavery.

There is more than one type of slavery.

Not all slavery is or was "American style" slavery. Actually the type of slavery you are referring to was not the most common throughout history. The most common type of slavery in the world right now is indentured servitude. Over 27 million people are slaves TODAY.

http://www.notforsalecampaign.org/

Uh-huh. Most of that site is merely Communist ranting about unfair loans and 'wage slavery', along with a nice amount of strawmen they set up. Slavery is dead, and 'wage slavery' only exists in the minds of Marxists.

Sex slavery? And indentured servitude is still practiced all over the world, especially in Africa and South-East Asia.

[Maurepas]

Business owners do, the bourgeoisie does, however, their cheap employment often undermines the masses...