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pentagon admits to using drones over US

Postby Timsvill » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:38 am

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/03/09/pentagon-admits-has-deployed-military-spy-drones-over-us/81474702/

The Pentagon has deployed drones to spy over U.S. territory for non-military missions over the past decade, but the flights have been rare and lawful, according to a new report.

The report by a Pentagon inspector general, made public under a Freedom of Information Act request, said spy drones on non-military missions have occurred fewer than 20 times between 2006 and 2015 and always in compliance with existing law.

The report, which did not provide details on any of the domestic spying missions, said the Pentagon takes the issue of military drones used on American soil "very seriously."

A senior policy analyst for the ACLU, Jay Stanley, said it is good news no legal violations were found, yet the technology is so advanced that it's possible laws may require revision.

"Sometimes, new technology changes so rapidly that existing law no longer fit what people think are appropriate," Stanley said. "It's important to remember that the American people do find this to be a very, very sensitive topic."

The use of unmanned aerial surveillance (UAS) drones over U.S. surfaced in 2013 when then-FBI director Robert Mueller testified before Congress that the bureau employed spy drones to aid investigations, but in a "very,very minimal way, very seldom."
The inspector general analysis was completed March 20, 2015, but not released publicly until last Friday.

It said that with advancements in drone technology along with widespread military use overseas, the Pentagon established interim guidance in 2006 governing when and whether the unmanned aircraft could be used domestically. The interim policy allowed spy drones to be used for homeland defense purposes in the U.S. and to assist civil authorities.

But the policy said that any use of military drones for civil authorities had to be approved by the Secretary of Defense or someone delegated by the secretary. The report found that defense secretaries have never delegated that responsibility.

The report quoted a military law review article that said "the appetite to use them (spy drones) in the domestic environment to collect airborne imagery continues to grow, as does Congressional and media interest in their deployment."

Military units that operate drones told the inspector general they would like more opportunities to fly them on domestic missions if for no other reason than to give pilots more experience to improve their skills, the report said. "Multiple units told us that as forces using the UAS capabilities continue to draw down overseas, opportunities for UAS realistic training and use have decreased," the report said.

A request for all cases between 2006 and 2015 in which civil authorities asked the military for use of spy drones produced a list of "less than twenty events," the report said. The list included requests granted and denied.

The list was not made public in the report. But a few examples were cited, including one case in which an unnamed mayor asked the Marine Corps to use a drone to find potholes in the mayor's city. The Marines denied the request because obtaining the defense secretary's "approval to conduct a UAS mission of this type did not make operational sense."

Shortly before the inspector general report was completed a year ago, the Pentagon issued a new policy governing the use of spy drones. It requires the defense secretary to approve all domestic spy drone operations. It says that unless permitted by law and approved by the secretary, drones "may not conduct surveillance on U.S. persons." It also bans the use of armed drones over the United States for anything other training and testing.

The drones aren't being used for spying or anything like that. Just trainings. Which is better than them being used for surveillance on the American people.
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Postby Khadgar » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:39 am

I don't think that's a story.

Drones being operated in US. Duh.

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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:40 am

No suprises here.
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Postby Esternial » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:45 am

Don't see the issue. If they were using drone surveillance for public roads and property I wouldn't care either.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:48 am

I too do not understand what is supposed to be surprising, objectionable, or newsworthy about this.

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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:49 am

Ifreann wrote:I too do not understand what is supposed to be surprising, objectionable, or newsworthy about this.

It's obejectionable because it's big brother.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:54 am

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I too do not understand what is supposed to be surprising, objectionable, or newsworthy about this.

It's obejectionable because it's big brother.

Except it's not Big Brother at all.

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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:55 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:It's obejectionable because it's big brother.

Except it's not Big Brother at all.

Yes it is drones are monitoring you and me they even kill US citizens.
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Postby New DeCapito » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:56 am

So the US is using drones. No surprise. What is surprising is that they're using them more responsibly than some US citizens are.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:56 am

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Except it's not Big Brother at all.

Yes it is drones are monitoring you and me they even kill US citizens.

I would be quite concerned if American drones were monitoring me, what with how I'm not in America.

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Postby Johanesburgh » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:57 am

Doesnt suprise me they admitted it, they got the balls to put drones over everyone else to blow em up

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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:59 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:Yes it is drones are monitoring you and me they even kill US citizens.

I would be quite concerned if American drones were monitoring me, what with how I'm not in America.

They probably are the US spies on allied heads of states like Anegla Merkle, I don't see why they'd have a problem watching the civilians too.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:59 am

New DeCapito wrote:So the US is using drones. No surprise. What is surprising is that they're using them more responsibly than some US citizens are.

I don't think that's very surprising either.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:01 am

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I would be quite concerned if American drones were monitoring me, what with how I'm not in America.

They probably are the US spies on allied heads of states like Anegla Merkle, I don't see why they'd have a problem watching the civilians too.

Well it would be expensive and pointless, for starters.

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Postby Mefpan » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:01 am

Text says drones were used for surveillance, which in certain situations seems entirely reasonable. Now watch as the ommitting of "surveillance" from the title gets people to scream about how the USlluminati gubbermit is literally nuking Free American Citizens on Free American Soil RIGHT N-

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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:04 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:They probably are the US spies on allied heads of states like Anegla Merkle, I don't see why they'd have a problem watching the civilians too.

Well it would be expensive and pointless, for starters.

The US managed to waste over a trillion dollars spying is one of the expenses, the US spies on everyone and anyone they can the NSA has an army of people doing it and I'm assuming you're British MI5 welcomes the NSA over to monitor people.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:05 am

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Well it would be expensive and pointless, for starters.

The US managed to waste over a trillion dollars spying is one of the expenses, the US spies on everyone and anyone they can the NSA has an army of people doing and I'm assuming you're British MI5 welcomes the NSA over to monitor people.

My British MI5?

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:05 am

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I would be quite concerned if American drones were monitoring me, what with how I'm not in America.

They probably are the US spies on allied heads of states like Anegla Merkle, I don't see why they'd have a problem watching the civilians too.


Oh noes, that German citizen is jaywalking! This is such a responsible use of a multi million dollar drone!
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:06 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:The US managed to waste over a trillion dollars spying is one of the expenses, the US spies on everyone and anyone they can the NSA has an army of people doing and I'm assuming you're British MI5 welcomes the NSA over to monitor people.

My British MI5?

Im assuming you are British, the MI5*
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Postby New DeCapito » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:07 am

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Well it would be expensive and pointless, for starters.

The US managed to waste over a trillion dollars spying is one of the expenses, the US spies on everyone and anyone they can the NSA has an army of people doing it and I'm assuming you're British MI5 welcomes the NSA over to monitor people.

If your hypothesis is true, you're actually giving them ideas merely by posting this. You may also go to prison for an indefinite time, but that's not m-
The NSA has never spied on anyone, ever. Back down, citizen.
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:07 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:They probably are the US spies on allied heads of states like Anegla Merkle, I don't see why they'd have a problem watching the civilians too.


Oh noes, that German citizen is jaywalking! This is such a responsible use of a multi million dollar drone!

That is the US' logic in reality.
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:09 am

New DeCapito wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:The US managed to waste over a trillion dollars spying is one of the expenses, the US spies on everyone and anyone they can the NSA has an army of people doing it and I'm assuming you're British MI5 welcomes the NSA over to monitor people.

If your hypothesis is true, you're actually giving them ideas merely by posting this. You may also go to prison for an indefinite time, but that's not m-
The NSA has never spied on anyone, ever. Back down, citizen.

Yes it's called the Patriot act
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Postby New DeCapito » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:11 am

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
New DeCapito wrote:If your hypothesis is true, you're actually giving them ideas merely by posting this. You may also go to prison for an indefinite time, but that's not m-
The NSA has never spied on anyone, ever. Back down, citizen.

Yes it's called the Patriot act

Oh, I remember what my last post was missing now.
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Postby The Corparation » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:17 am

How is this news? Various local, state, and federal agencies have used aircraft for surveillance and survey work since shortly after the invention of the airplane. The only real difference between then and now is that the pilot can now sit in an office building rather than a cockpit and operating costs are significantly cheaper. I'm actually surprised the numbers are this low. I'd have expected them to be higher. In fact I want them to be higher. More widespread use of drones could probably save a decent amount of money compared to using traditional aircraft and the lower operating cost could allow for more programs to have air support they wouldn't otherwise have.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:25 am

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Ifreann wrote:My British MI5?

Im assuming you are British, the MI5*

I'm not British. Nor in Britain. How about this, you tell me all the places the US is spying on, because you apparently know about their secret operations, and then I can tell you whether they're spying on me.

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