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Postby Oasisa » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:53 pm

There's no real need to worry either way. US presidents are actually weak, especially domestically. If Trump could change the world by himself, why did Obama need to negotiate on Obamacare? Even if the Republicans get a massive majority in congress (which doesn't seem likely at this point) he can't do very much.

The most he could do would be invade somewhere, but Presidents are constrained by their nation's capabilities. Despite Trump's comments, he's limited by America's commitments in other places to do anything too rash. And even if he went bonkers and wanted to nuke Sweden, I don't the Generals would let him.

If you really want to worry this election, worry about the Governor elections and the state- level house and senate elections. State level governments make most of the laws in the US.

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Postby Neo Hungary » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:57 pm

You're way too funny. Why would anyone want to leave America for a third world country? Now if Hillary gets elected that might make some sense since she will turn America into a third world country.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:57 pm

Neo Hungary wrote:You're way too funny. Why would anyone want to leave America for a third world country? Now if Hillary gets elected that might make some sense since she will turn America into a third world country.


Canada isn't a third world country, lol.
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Postby Slaveavania » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:58 pm

You Americans are so funny.
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Postby Banija » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:59 pm

Oasisa wrote:There's no real need to worry either way. US presidents are actually weak, especially domestically. If Trump could change the world by himself, why did Obama need to negotiate on Obamacare? Even if the Republicans get a massive majority in congress (which doesn't seem likely at this point) he can't do very much.

The most he could do would be invade somewhere, but Presidents are constrained by their nation's capabilities. Despite Trump's comments, he's limited by America's commitments in other places to do anything too rash. And even if he went bonkers and wanted to nuke Sweden, I don't the Generals would let him.

If you really want to worry this election, worry about the Governor elections and the state- level house and senate elections. State level governments make most of the laws in the US.


YES YES YES. And this, is why people who say the GOP is irrelevant because they keep losing the White House are so very wrong. It is the states who are the laboratories of democracy, especially when Congress is essentially inoperable. The Republican Party has 30+ Governors and 30+ state legislatures, and to be quite honest, in the last 6 years, GOP legislators & Governors have done a hell of a lot more than Congress has.

Democrats obsession with Presidential elections, as well as their belief of demographic destiny, is the reason why they will continue to sacrifice the states & Congress for many years to come, and why, even without the White House, the Republican Party will probably effect more lives than the Democratic Party for the next few years. I'd say the GOP has done more across the board since the 2010 midterms, since Congress has been paralyzed the whole time and the state-level GOPs have been passing all kinds of legislation.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:02 am

Neo Hungary wrote:You're way too funny. Why would anyone want to leave America for a third world country? Now if Hillary gets elected that might make some sense since she will turn America into a third world country.


Really, so somehow a centre-right economic policy will impoverish America to the point where it becomes a third world country, but no economic policy beside 'blame it on the Mexicans/Chinese/(insert minority here)' will not?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:04 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Neo Hungary wrote:You're way too funny. Why would anyone want to leave America for a third world country? Now if Hillary gets elected that might make some sense since she will turn America into a third world country.


Really, so somehow a centre-right economic policy will impoverish America to the point where it becomes a third world country, but no economic policy beside 'blame it on the Mexicans/Chinese/(insert minority here)' will not?


Na, wanting to ban barrel shrouds will destroy the US :p
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Postby Slaveavania » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:04 am

Neo Hungary wrote:You're way too funny. Why would anyone want to leave America for a third world country? Now if Hillary gets elected that might make some sense since she will turn America into a third world country.

You know the legal definition of a "third-world county" is a country that doesn't practise capitalism or communism?
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Postby Gothic Graceland » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:05 am

Nvm
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:06 am

Gothic Graceland wrote:Nvm


Hi, Neo-Hungary.

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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:18 am

Neo Hungary wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
You forget that it is Europeans who use your cheap labor, we have a well spring of people south of the border who we don't need to ship over.


You're thinking of Poland. Besides you honestly think you'll be able to not only get the Mexicans to build your wall and then send them to Mexico once the wall is built?


If he used cheap, legal Mexican labor then there would be no need to send them back. It is not the legal immigrants that the wall is intended to stop after all. Legals aren't the problem. Illegals ARE.

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Postby USHALLNOTPASS » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:44 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Neo Hungary wrote:
You're thinking of Poland. Besides you honestly think you'll be able to not only get the Mexicans to build your wall and then send them to Mexico once the wall is built?


If he used cheap, legal Mexican labor then there would be no need to send them back. It is not the legal immigrants that the wall is intended to stop after all. Legals aren't the problem. Illegals ARE.

and how do you plan to send every illegal back?
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Postby Liriena » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:47 am

To be fair, as an Argentinian, I understand these people's sentiment. I can't really fault them for being tempted by the idea of getting out of the country when faced with the possibility of having the living embodiment of /pol/ as president.

Neo Hungary wrote:You're way too funny. Why would anyone want to leave America for a third world country? Now if Hillary gets elected that might make some sense since she will turn America into a third world country.

Oh, honey...

Big Jim P wrote:We've also survived eight years of obama.

Yeah, but his administration was hardly a Dantesque ordeal... give or take his opponents' shenanigans.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:49 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Neo Hungary wrote:
You're thinking of Poland. Besides you honestly think you'll be able to not only get the Mexicans to build your wall and then send them to Mexico once the wall is built?


If he used cheap, legal Mexican labor then there would be no need to send them back. It is not the legal immigrants that the wall is intended to stop after all. Legals aren't the problem. Illegals ARE.

It's been over two decades since the Berlin wall fell (not to mention a couple of centuries since the Great Wall of China was beaten by a single, well-placed bribe)... and people still fantasize about walls that magically keep all them dirty foreigners from crossing your borders?
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:51 am

Liriena wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
If he used cheap, legal Mexican labor then there would be no need to send them back. It is not the legal immigrants that the wall is intended to stop after all. Legals aren't the problem. Illegals ARE.

It's been over two decades since the Berlin wall fell (not to mention a couple of centuries since the Great Wall of China was beaten by a single, well-placed bribe)... and people still fantasize about walls that magically keep all them dirty foreigners from crossing your borders?


The Berlin wall was to keep people IN, not out. :roll:

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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:52 am

Liriena wrote:To be fair, as an Argentinian, I understand these people's sentiment. I can't really fault them for being tempted by the idea of getting out of the country when faced with the possibility of having the living embodiment of /pol/ as president.

Neo Hungary wrote:You're way too funny. Why would anyone want to leave America for a third world country? Now if Hillary gets elected that might make some sense since she will turn America into a third world country.

Oh, honey...

Big Jim P wrote:We've also survived eight years of obama.

Yeah, but his administration was hardly a Dantesque ordeal... give or take his opponents' shenanigans.


No, it was worse than Bushes though.

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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:53 am

USHALLNOTPASS wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
If he used cheap, legal Mexican labor then there would be no need to send them back. It is not the legal immigrants that the wall is intended to stop after all. Legals aren't the problem. Illegals ARE.

and how do you plan to send every illegal back?


Probably the same way Eisenhower did.

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:05 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Liriena wrote:To be fair, as an Argentinian, I understand these people's sentiment. I can't really fault them for being tempted by the idea of getting out of the country when faced with the possibility of having the living embodiment of /pol/ as president.


Oh, honey...


Yeah, but his administration was hardly a Dantesque ordeal... give or take his opponents' shenanigans.


No, it was worse than Bushes though.


We are thinking about the same Bushes, right? George H.W. Bush and his son George W. Bush?

And Obama is worse than them? How exactly?

Obama's administration is incompetent, ham-fisted, and all that, but it is noticeably less so than his predecessor.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:08 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Liriena wrote:It's been over two decades since the Berlin wall fell (not to mention a couple of centuries since the Great Wall of China was beaten by a single, well-placed bribe)... and people still fantasize about walls that magically keep all them dirty foreigners from crossing your borders?


The Berlin wall was to keep people IN, not out. :roll:

Aaaaaaand? It still fell, because border walls are a stupid idea born from pure simplism.

If you want to play 38th parallel with the American-Mexican border, go ahead. In the end, all you're going to get is a useless and extremely expensive pile of junk that stretches for hundreds of miles, and some slightly inconvenienced smugglers.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:13 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:We've also survived eight years of obama.

Yeah, but his administration was hardly a Dantesque ordeal... give or take his opponents' shenanigans.


No, it was worse than Bushes though.[/quote]
Wow... So, the recession is over, unemployment is dropping, the United States are no longer involved in two extremely expensive and useless wars, the deficit is shrinking, Wall Street made huge amounts of money despite Obama apparently being a socialist tyrant... yet, in your eyes, he's still worse than the guy who handed him the mother of all hot potatoes?

Well, that's kinda tragicomic.
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Postby USHALLNOTPASS » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:14 am

Liriena wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
The Berlin wall was to keep people IN, not out. :roll:

Aaaaaaand? It still fell, because border walls are a stupid idea born from pure simplism.

If you want to play 38th parallel with the American-Mexican border, go ahead. In the end, all you're going to get is a useless and extremely expensive pile of junk that stretches for hundreds of miles, and some slightly inconvenienced smugglers.

*boat casually goes around wall*
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Postby Liriena » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:19 am

USHALLNOTPASS wrote:
Liriena wrote:Aaaaaaand? It still fell, because border walls are a stupid idea born from pure simplism.

If you want to play 38th parallel with the American-Mexican border, go ahead. In the end, all you're going to get is a useless and extremely expensive pile of junk that stretches for hundreds of miles, and some slightly inconvenienced smugglers.

*boat casually goes around wall*
Donald Trump: WE MUST BUILD A WALL AROUND ALL OF THE LAND OF THE US OF A

Also, a yuuuuuuuuuuuge dome over all American airspace.

Oh, didn't you know? An awful lot of undocumented immigrants come, not from the fabled American-Mexican border, but from America's own airports. ;)
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:21 am

Liriena wrote:Aaaaaaand? It still fell, because border walls are a stupid idea born from pure simplism.


The Berlin wall didn't collapse just because it was a wall. It endured for decades and absolutely accomplished what it was built for. If the USSR maintained a tight grip on power and the cold war political situation didn't change, there is no evidence that the Berlin wall would've fell. It would still be keeping people in to this day. Hungary's border fence with Croatia has been a resounding success at putting a stop to the lion's share of Muslim migration into their country and the Israel border walls have been successful at reducing suicide bombings. Barriers serve many useful functions when implemented correctly.
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Postby USHALLNOTPASS » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:21 am

Liriena wrote:
USHALLNOTPASS wrote:*boat casually goes around wall*
Donald Drumpf: WE MUST BUILD A WALL AROUND ALL OF THE LAND OF THE US OF A

Also, a yuuuuuuuuuuuge dome over all American airspace.

Oh, didn't you know? An awful lot of undocumented immigrants come, not from the fabled American-Mexican border, but from America's own airports. ;)

AND so that was why the Cold War began. Had it actually escalated, it would have been an excuse to destroy the Earth to prevent illegals from coming to the US of A
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:27 am

Cymrea wrote:
Kubra wrote: no it isn't
Alberta tourist traps top out at .89

Hmmm...I recall my sister telling me recently that gas was down a bit in Calgary, so fair enough. :)

Upon closer review, it looks like the average is about .85 across most of Canada. Vancouver is, in fact, the worst on average.


Wait. Are these prices in American or Canadian?

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:Canada is overrated.

Why not another member of the Anglo sphere?


Not close enough to home.

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Khadgar wrote:Personally I'm working on my Spanish.

"Yo soy Canadian, eh"


Rafael Cruz's dad's first words upon reaching Canada.

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Ohioan Territory wrote:Just what Canada needs; a bunch of people that hardly understand their own nation's geography and politics, let alone a foreign nation's...

I am, of course, being stereotypical, but it's okay, because I'm an American and from the people that I know claiming that they'll leave if Trump wins, that's an accurate representation of a majority of them.

I am a die hard trump supporter and i think i know a lot. especially more than a damn peacenik like you.


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