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Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:33 pmby Novorobo
The Alma Mater wrote:Novorobo wrote:The Nazis
stole this salute. Our reluctance to reinstate it only lends it its power.
The nazis also stole the swastika. Sadly, people are still refusing to reclaim that holiest of symbols
Oh, I consider that ridiculous too.
But if one person tries to reclaim it they'll be mistaken for a Nazi, and so no one wants to do it. I can't think of a way for reclaiming of the swastika to be co-ordinated on a large enough scale to make what we're doing clear.
This, on the other hand, clearly is a co-ordinated large-scale response.
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:35 pmby Vassenor
Zelent wrote:Fartsniffage wrote:I'm not sure I like the idea of 8-year-olds saluting a flag in any form. It's kinda cultish...
Why? It gives kids a sense of loyalty and identity to their homeland.
Because every other country on the planet is a lawless anarchy because the people aren't forced to kowtow to the flag on a daily basis.
It probably says a lot about people in America if people think that not being forced to salute the flag will result in another revolution.
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:36 pmby Royal Denmark
Its like Polio, we killed it because it was threatening our lives and well being.
Posted:
Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:36 pmby Neutraligon
Novorobo wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:The nazis also stole the swastika. Sadly, people are still refusing to reclaim that holiest of symbols
Oh, I consider that ridiculous too.
But if one person tries to reclaim it they'll be mistaken for a Nazi, and so no one wants to do it. I can't think of a way for reclaiming of the swastika to be co-ordinated on a large enough scale to make what we're doing clear.
This, on the other hand, clearly is a co-ordinated large-scale response.
I am not seeing a coordinated large scale response, on either side.
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:37 pmby Fartsniffage
Zelent wrote:Fartsniffage wrote:I'm not sure I like the idea of 8-year-olds saluting a flag in any form. It's kinda cultish...
Why? It gives kids a sense of loyalty and identity to their homeland.
8-years-olds should be thinking about their spelling test and whether or no they've behaved well enough that mum might get them some chicken nuggets from McDonalds, not whether or not they're loyal enough to The State.
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:39 pmby Lychgate
Royal Denmark wrote:Its like Polio, we killed it because it was threatening our lives and well being.
Exactly how does it threaten our lives? While some people may not like the ideology that the Nazis inserted into it, the
salute itself doesn't actually threaten lives, mostly due to the fact that it is not alive and thus cannot wield a weapon. Genetic fallacy (assuming something is good or bad because its roots are good or bad, judging something on the basis of where it comes from) detected.
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:40 pmby Jochistan
Well, it looks snazzy, won't lie there.
But the Nazis kind of ruined it.
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:41 pmby Vassenor
Or to put it another way: Demanding a daily display of loyalty from the populace? How very North Korean of you.
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:41 pmby TotallyNotEvilLand
Zelent wrote:Fartsniffage wrote:I'm not sure I like the idea of 8-year-olds saluting a flag in any form. It's kinda cultish...
Why? It gives kids a sense of loyalty and identity to their homeland.
Instead of forcing people to have a sense of loyalty and identity, maybe people should decide for themselves if they like their homeland.
Cramming "FUCK YEAH AMERICA" down people's throats isn't going to instill loyalty whatsoever.
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 6:33 pmby The 93rd Coalition
Reintroducing it for such reasons would undoubtedly be noble, but personally I think it would extend Hitler's legacy rather than diminish it.
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 7:24 pmby Zelent
Vassenor wrote:Or to put it another way: Demanding a daily display of loyalty from the populace? How very North Korean of you.
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 7:26 pmby Arcane Hermetic Orders
Towards what end? America is already, in many ways, an incredibly patriotic nation - perhaps blindly at times, but that's for a different thread.
This salute is pointless and merely an empty gesture of nationalism.
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 7:28 pmby Fartsniffage
Zelent wrote:Vassenor wrote:Or to put it another way: Demanding a daily display of loyalty from the populace? How very North Korean of you.
You think that people serve so that children have to salute a flag? Christ you're insulting veterans with that...
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 7:32 pmby Zelent
Fartsniffage wrote:You think that people serve so that children have to salute a flag? Christ you're insulting veterans with that...
That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm responding to Vassenors earlier statement that "Demanding a daily display of loyalty from the populance? How very North Korean of you."
We shouldn't force people to make and pledge of loyalty, but we should remember that their freedom to do so has been protected by men and women who all gave some, some giving all, for their freedoms.
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 7:36 pmby Fartsniffage
Zelent wrote:Fartsniffage wrote:You think that people serve so that children have to salute a flag? Christ you're insulting veterans with that...
That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm responding to Vassenors earlier statement that "Demanding a daily display of loyalty from the populance? How very North Korean of you."
We shouldn't force people to make and pledge of loyalty, but we should remember that their freedom to do so has been protected by men and women who all gave some, some giving all, for their freedoms.
And also their freedom to spit on the flag. That was also what has been protected by these men and women. But people seem to forget that bit.....
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:16 pmby Novorobo
Zelent wrote:Fartsniffage wrote:You think that people serve so that children have to salute a flag? Christ you're insulting veterans with that...
That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm responding to Vassenors earlier statement that "Demanding a daily display of loyalty from the populance? How very North Korean of you."
We shouldn't force people to make and pledge of loyalty, but we should remember that their freedom to do so has been protected by men and women who all gave some, some giving all, for their freedoms.
Oh, well I suppose the sacrifices of the British, the French, the Greeks, etc... count for nothing, then?
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:19 pmby Zelent
Novorobo wrote:Zelent wrote:That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm responding to Vassenors earlier statement that "Demanding a daily display of loyalty from the populance? How very North Korean of you."
We shouldn't force people to make and pledge of loyalty, but we should remember that their freedom to do so has been protected by men and women who all gave some, some giving all, for their freedoms.
Oh, well I suppose the sacrifices of the British, the French, the Greeks, etc... count for nothing, then?
I never said that, but I would say the same thing I said if I was British,French or Greek and my country had some form of pledge of allegiance.
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:21 pmby Fartsniffage
Zelent wrote:Novorobo wrote:Oh, well I suppose the sacrifices of the British, the French, the Greeks, etc... count for nothing, then?
I never said that, but I would say the same thing I said if I was British,French or Greek and my country had some form of pledge of allegiance.
Well what would you say to British veteran who says your opinion on this is bullshit?
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:21 pmby Novorobo
Zelent wrote:Novorobo wrote:Oh, well I suppose the sacrifices of the British, the French, the Greeks, etc... count for nothing, then?
I never said that, but I would say the same thing I said if I was British,French or Greek and my country had some form of pledge of allegiance.
Then what of the sacrifices made by Germans and Italians on behalf of fascism? Do they tarnish any pledges of allegiance to those countries?
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:59 pmby The Princes of the Universe
Zelent wrote:Fartsniffage wrote:I'm not sure I like the idea of 8-year-olds saluting a flag in any form. It's kinda cultish...
Why? It gives kids a sense of loyalty and identity to their homeland.
That kind of loyalty needs to be earned, not programmed.
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:05 pmby American Imperial State
We must enforce daily displays of loyalty, they'll truly start to believe it if you start young and train them properly.
It is the foundation upon which our Imperial State rests! America and her european populace shall rule!
Reinstating the bellamy salute too obvious though.
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:11 pmby GraySoap
I don't care if anyone does the pledge of allegiance.
The idea is to enhance unity. Always figured fellow socialists would approve. Bellamy salute would be taken the wrong way now days.
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:13 pmby The Alexanderians
I find this funny since I went to school with a kid named Kevin that was the same way. He took it to a ridiculous extreme though.
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:19 pmby The Princes of the Universe
The Alexanderians wrote:I find this funny since I went to school with a kid named Kevin that was the same way. He took it to a ridiculous extreme though.
I stopped saying it toward the end of high school (even when I wasn't the slightest bit religious, I had a thing about lying...), but making a big deal out of it seemed pointless to me.
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Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:33 pmby Meryuma
Why the fuck would we reinstate it? Enough with this contrarianism. In the scope of history, 75 years is nothing.
Zelent wrote:Vassenor wrote:Or to put it another way: Demanding a daily display of loyalty from the populace? How very North Korean of you.
He looks a bit young to be a WWII vet...