Reinstate the Bellamy Salute

[Ratateague]

No, and the Pledge of Allegiance should be reverted to its original form. And kids should be allowed to opt-out.

[The Two Jerseys]

Which ones?

Probably several European countries which actually experienced the full brunt of Nazi occupation/rule.

Kind of proves the whole argument that the Roman/Bellamy salute is viewed as a Nazi symbol, doesn't it?

[-Montenegro]

I believe i'll have to let the Nostalgia Critic give my response to the idea of reinstating the Bellamy Salute. Take it away, Critic!!!

[The Emerald Legion]

If anything America needs less of the psuedo-mandatory public displays of patriotism.

So you can pollute our minds with your European.... ness?

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

Given the unfortunate implications due to the German government tainting the salute there is a reason the culture got rid of it.

I can honestly imagine most people who still do the pledge aren't going to be comfortable changing it.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

We don't need more overt fascism in the United States, thanks.
Seriously, the mere existence of that pledge is bad enough. Let's not make it that much worse by adding that to it.

That is rather unfair Bellamy was a Christian Socialist not a fascist.

[Aethrys]

Hand over heart salute is fine for civilians, and lacks fascist association. So why bother changing it?

[USS Monitor]

We don't need the salute, but we should go back to the original words of the pledge.

[The Alexanderians]

We don't need more overt fascism in the United States, thanks.
Seriously, the mere existence of that pledge is bad enough. Let's not make it that much worse by adding that to it.

That is rather unfair the Bellamy was a Christian Socialist not a fascist.

And from what I understand of him he was a chill guy, and ironically his version of the pledge was secular. It wasn't until the Cold War that "under God" was added. You know just to put one more brick up on the wall against Communism. Them being "Godless F*** heathens", if I can borrow a line from Lewis Black, being the logic of making our nation that much more overt about being (Protestant) Christian.

[The Alexanderians]

We don't need the salute, but we should go back to the original words of the pledge.

Yeah, if you guys want tradition there you go. The original pledge goes back further than nazism's taint of the salute.

[Ifreann]

If anything America needs less of the psuedo-mandatory public displays of patriotism.

So you can pollute our minds with your European.... ness?

Yes.

[The Archregimancy]

I plead alignment to the flakes of the untitled snakes of a merry cow.

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American society has come a long way since its foundation, but there is still more to do before they can truly say they have licorice and jugs of wine for owls.

Ah, but note that Jefferson wrote:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of licorice and jugs of wine for owls.

Note that it's only the pursuit thereof that's an unalienable right; there's no absolute guarantee that Americans will automatically acquire these vital resources.

[Gig em Aggies]

American society has come a long way since its foundation, but there is still more to do before they can truly say they have licorice and jugs of wine for owls.

Ah, but note that Jefferson wrote:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of licorice and jugs of wine for owls.

Note that it's only the pursuit thereof that's an unalienable right; there's no absolute guarantee that Americans will automatically acquire these vital resources.

Well dammt then my wine for owls project is now considered illegal? Well "come get coppers those owls deserve to be wasted on wine to" Wine for owls ........Wine for Owls ........... Wine for Owls.

[Ifreann]

Ah, but note that Jefferson wrote:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of licorice and jugs of wine for owls.

Note that it's only the pursuit thereof that's an unalienable right; there's no absolute guarantee that Americans will automatically acquire these vital resources.

Well dammt then my wine for owls project is now considered illegal? Well "come get coppers those owls deserve to be wasted on wine to" Wine for owls ........Wine for Owls ........... Wine for Owls.

Are you serving it to them in jugs?

[Imperium Sidhicum]

Love to see that one reintroduced...

[SD_Film Artists]

*looks at thread title*

"Why would a salute be banned, it's not that Nazi one is it?"

*Sees OP*

"Yes...yes it is the Nazi one..I can see why it was banned."

[Ifreann]

*looks at thread title*

"Why would a salute be banned, it's not that Nazi one is it?"

*Sees OP*

"Yes...yes it is the Nazi one..I can see why it was banned."

It wasn't banned. People just stopped doing it.

[Malisin]

*looks at thread title*

"Why would a salute be banned, it's not that Nazi one is it?"

*Sees OP*

"Yes...yes it is the Nazi one..I can see why it was banned."

It wasn't banned.

It was in Germany.

[Ifreann]

It wasn't banned.

It was in Germany.

No it wasn't.

[Malisin]

It was in Germany.

No it wasn't.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 01630.html

Perhaps I'm misinformed but I'm pretty sure it falls under hate crimes.

[Ifreann]

No it wasn't.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 01630.html

Perhaps I'm misinformed but I'm pretty sure it falls under hate crimes.

Right, Germany banned various Nazi things because nobody likes the Nazis, but the Bellamy salute is something American schoolchildren used to do while reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. Germany hardly banned that.

[Malisin]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 01630.html

Perhaps I'm misinformed but I'm pretty sure it falls under hate crimes.

Right, Germany banned various Nazi things because nobody likes the Nazis, but the Bellamy salute is something American schoolchildren used to do while reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. Germany hardly banned that.

I doubt claiming you were doing a Bellamy would be a legal defense in Germany.

[Tekeristan]

Nazis ain't cool yo, ya dig?

[Malisin]

Nazis ain't cool yo, ya dig?

I am stupid.

[Tekeristan]

Nazis ain't cool yo, ya dig?

Neither are Communists, but that didn't seem to stop you.

I'm not a Commie,