Reinstate the Bellamy Salute

[Baltenstein]

No //thread

That's like wanting to reintroduce Swastikas because they symbolize prosperity or whatever. No, just no.

[The Serbian Empire]

The Roman salute is a peice of culture for good or bad it should be reitroduced.

Agreed, but with the whole package: gladiator fights, bull fights, persecutions of christians, decimation, crucifixion and sacrifices to the Emperor. You cannot revive a symbol without the whole culture from which it originates, can you?

Don't forget fights with lions, bears, and what not.

[Lady Scylla]

No. The Pledge should go as well.

This.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Nah, no real need for it.

[North East Germany]

Maybe in another 75 years, but while there are people who's grandparents killed and died fighting the nazis, it wouldn't be right.
Only when hitler is a distant memory that people know about but don't care (like gengis kahn) can the nazi symbolism be reclaimed.

[The Emerald Legion]

Fair point, but wouldn't we have the duty, to try and lessen their legacy? All they wanted was attention for the insane view points and actions.

All they wanted was to commit Genocide, they didn't want attention, the goal of the Deutsch Arbeit Party was to create a socialist Germany, and they chose Judaism as a scapegoat for their own failed decisions. Those who are ignorant of history, repeat it, causing us to forget would cause repetition of these disgusting crimes.

And those who obsess over history never really accomplish much either.

[New DeCapito]

Like the swastika, this salute has gone the way of the Nazis. Sorry, but no amount of wrangling is going to get Congress to accept this.

[The Realm of Lordaeron]

That would be hilarious. And honestly, after several decades of widespread use it would lose it's stigma.

That being said, I like the hand on the heart better, it reflects our values better. The bellamy salute, top of being loaded with a ton of weight, is also much more aggressive a display than a hand placed over the heart.

[United Dependencies]

The swastika isn't going to be making a comeback in Western countries for a reason. This will not either for the same reason.

[Genivaria]

Agreed, but with the whole package: gladiator fights, bull fights, persecutions of christians, decimation, crucifixion and sacrifices to the Emperor. You cannot revive a symbol without the whole culture from which it originates, can you?

I can live with this.

Yes Lucifer we know you'd be okay with this.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

The Roman salute is a peice of culture for good or bad it should be reitroduced.

Agreed, but with the whole package: gladiator fights, bull fights, persecutions of christians, decimation, crucifixion and sacrifices to the Emperor. You cannot revive a symbol without the whole culture from which it originates, can you?

And the Romans didn't actually salute like that. Jacques-Louis David basically made it up in the 1700s.

[Ifreann]

If anything America needs less of the psuedo-mandatory public displays of patriotism.

[The Princes of the Universe]

I can live with this.

Yes Lucifer we know you'd we okay with this.

I never thought I'd ever say such a comparison is an insult to the Devil, but I guess there's a first time for everything...

[The Black Forrest]

What is it stormfront migration season again?

[The Princes of the Universe]

What is it stormfront migration season again?

With Trump on the loose, every bloody day is Stormfront migration season in the US.

[Ifreann]

What is it stormfront migration season again?

With Trump on the loose, every bloody day is Stormfront migration season in the US.

Anthropogenic climate change, innit?

[The Princes of the Universe]

With Trump on the loose, every bloody day is Stormfront migration season in the US.

Anthropogenic climate change, innit?

Something like that. How hard is it for an American to obtain an Irish immigrant visa?

[Lamaredia]

Fair point, but wouldn't we have the duty, to try and lessen their legacy? All they wanted was attention for the insane view points and actions.

All they wanted was to commit Genocide, they didn't want attention, the goal of the Deutsch Arbeit Party was to create a socialist Germany, and they chose Judaism as a scapegoat for their own failed decisions. Those who are ignorant of history, repeat it, causing us to forget would cause repetition of these disgusting crimes.

The NSDAP wasn't socialist. Not even in the least.

[The Princes of the Universe]

All they wanted was to commit Genocide, they didn't want attention, the goal of the Deutsch Arbeit Party was to create a socialist Germany, and they chose Judaism as a scapegoat for their own failed decisions. Those who are ignorant of history, repeat it, causing us to forget would cause repetition of these disgusting crimes.

The NSDAP wasn't socialist. Not even in the least.

The Nazis used the word socialist as a buzzword to attempt to siphon votes from SPD.

[United Human Planets]

No. Just, no. No. Why on earth would you even think that bringing back the Bellamy salute was a good Idea? I doesn't matter what it meant before, thanks to the Nazis, that salute will forever be known as the salute of possibly the most evil group of people in history. Bringing it back would be just shitting on the graves of all the men and women who were slaughtered by the Nazis, as well of the graves of the brave soldiers who fought to end the Nazi's evil. No matter how long it has been since WW2, the Bellamy Salute doesn't mean american patriotism, it will forever mean Nazis and evil.

[Genivaria]

The NSDAP wasn't socialist. Not even in the least.

The Nazis used the word socialist as a buzzword to attempt to siphon votes from SPD.

This really should be common knowledge by now, it was amusing at first but the number of times we've had to repeat this equivalent of elementary grade political knowledge is tiresome.

And while we're at it.
Yes we know that people aren't actually equal we just treat them as equals under the law.
And we fucking know that 'free healthcare' isn't actually free it's paid for by taxpayers, what we mean is free at the point of use.

Anything else?

[The Princes of the Universe]

The Nazis used the word socialist as a buzzword to attempt to siphon votes from SPD.

This really should be common knowledge by now, it was amusing at first but the number of times we've had to repeat this equivalent of elementary grade political knowledge is tiresome.
And while we're at it.
Yes we know that people aren't actually equal we just treat them as equals under the law.
And we fucking know that 'free healthcare' isn't actually free it's paid for by taxpayers, what we mean is free at the point of use.
Anything else?

I could explain why this needs to be explained to Americans every five minutes, but it would probably find its way to Moderation despite being true.

[Genivaria]

This really should be common knowledge by now, it was amusing at first but the number of times we've had to repeat this equivalent of elementary grade political knowledge is tiresome.
And while we're at it.
Yes we know that people aren't actually equal we just treat them as equals under the law.
And we fucking know that 'free healthcare' isn't actually free it's paid for by taxpayers, what we mean is free at the point of use.
Anything else?

I could explain why this needs to be explained to Americans every five minutes, but it would probably find its way to Moderation despite being true.

Because our school system is shit?

[The Princes of the Universe]

I could explain why this needs to be explained to Americans every five minutes, but it would probably find its way to Moderation despite being true.

Because our school system is shit?

That would explain only a minuscule piece of it.

[Genivaria]

Because our school system is shit?

That would explain only a minuscule piece of it.

I know, I'm just saying what won't get me a warning.