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Reinstate the Bellamy Salute

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Should the Bellamy salute be reintroduced?

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Zelent
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Reinstate the Bellamy Salute

Postby Zelent » Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:47 am

In between the 1895 and 1941, a much different form of the Pledge of Allegiance was used by Americans citizens. It involved extending ones right arm towards the flag during the saying of the accompanying words.
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Obviously, in December of 1941 when World War II spread to America, it was dropped to not cause confusion with the Nazi or Italian salutes. But now, over 75 years later, is it it really necesary to continue the death of such a great symbol of unity and freedom? Would'nt it be beneficial, to try and help put an end to the legacy of Hitler?
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Postby Justin States 3 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:50 am

No. Just no. Other countries* would kill us if tried to bring it back, as now many people** take it as a Nazi salute.


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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:52 am

Won't happen sorry just like the Hindu swatzika this salute will forever be associated with the Nazis
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Postby Nationalist Gold Union » Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:54 am

No. The Pledge should go as well.

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Postby Liriena » Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:54 am

Why would you reintroduce it?
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Postby Moravianda » Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:55 am

In my opinion, i hate the Bellamy Salute.
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Postby Zelent » Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:55 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:Won't happen sorry just like the Hindu swatzika this salute will forever be associated with the Nazis

Fair point, but wouldn't we have the duty, to try and lessen their legacy? All they wanted was attention for the insane view points and actions.
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Postby Zelent » Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:56 am

Liriena wrote:Why would you reintroduce it?


Because I am a far-right ultra nationalist anti fascist.

Because its tradition and what we were doing long before the fascists started using it.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:57 am

Zelent wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:Won't happen sorry just like the Hindu swatzika this salute will forever be associated with the Nazis

Fair point, but wouldn't we have the duty, to try and lessen their legacy? All they wanted was attention for the insane view points and actions.

It won't happen that way ps everyone will always remember the Nazis for who they were and why they did things cause that time period was so well documented and preserved for future generations to learn.
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Postby Wabbistan » Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:58 am

Honestly, the pledge is unnecessary in general. More of an inconvenience and waste of time.

Making it even more weirdly ritualistic with a salute is kind of a step in the wrong direction.

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Postby Fortitudinem » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:01 am

Zelent wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:Won't happen sorry just like the Hindu swatzika this salute will forever be associated with the Nazis

Fair point, but wouldn't we have the duty, to try and lessen their legacy? All they wanted was attention for the insane view points and actions.


All they wanted was to commit Genocide, they didn't want attention, the goal of the Deutsch Arbeit Party was to create a socialist Germany, and they chose Judaism as a scapegoat for their own failed decisions. Those who are ignorant of history, repeat it, causing us to forget would cause repetition of these disgusting crimes.
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Postby Esternial » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:02 am

Even for NSG this is a fairly stupid suggestion.

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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:06 am

No, I dislike the pledge in general, this just makes it worse.

Esternial wrote:Even for NSG this is a fairly stupid suggestion.


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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:11 am

I called Trump he has made that his campaign pledge
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:12 am

Yeah no, I don't think it'll ever not associated with nazis.
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Postby The United Countries of America » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:13 am

The Pledge is already a mess. Re-instituting the Salute will simply make it worse.
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Postby New Benian Republic » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:15 am

The Roman salute is a peice of culture for good or bad it should be reitroduced.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:15 am

The United Countries of America wrote:The Pledge is already a mess. Re-instituting the Salute will simply make it worse.

Institute the salute and remove the pledge. Problem solved.
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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:18 am

We don't need more overt fascism in the United States, thanks. :roll:
Seriously, the mere existence of that pledge is bad enough. Let's not make it that much worse by adding that to it.
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:19 am

Who cares?

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Postby Wabbistan » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:20 am

Kelinfort wrote:Who cares?

Seconded.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:24 am

Pay me 50000000 kopecks and I'll change my mind but this is a bad idea.
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Postby Cythraul » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:32 am

New Benian Republic wrote:The Roman salute is a peice of culture for good or bad it should be reitroduced.


Agreed, but with the whole package: gladiator fights, bull fights, persecutions of christians, decimation, crucifixion and sacrifices to the Emperor. You cannot revive a symbol without the whole culture from which it originates, can you?

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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:33 am

Cythraul wrote:
New Benian Republic wrote:The Roman salute is a peice of culture for good or bad it should be reitroduced.


Agreed, but with the whole package: gladiator fights, bull fights, persecutions of christians, decimation, crucifixion and sacrifices to the Emperor. You cannot revive a symbol without the whole culture from which it originates, can you?

I can live with this.
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Postby -Germania » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:34 am

No, next question (that was fairly easy :lol2: )

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