Social Liberalism Gone Too Far?

[Twilight Imperium]

Social sciences major here strongly concurs, and is personally tired of seeing his entire field of study dismissed as lesser science.

That doesn't make any sense because economics is a social science. I'm not dismissing social sciences. If you're really hypersensitive about it, maybe I'm dismissing gender studies or something like that. But no the entire field of social and behavioural science.

Actually, can you remind us what you are saying in this thread? I kind of feel like I've lost it a little.

[6Marion9]

Point is, politics should be more about discussing Governance and economics, both hard facts and philosophies. Social issues are indeed important, but they should play a backseat role.

I couldn't disagree more, both with your assertion that economics and governance are "hard facts" and that social issues should take a back seat.

I never stated they were hard facts, I stated there were certain things about them that are probably more on the factual side as well as many philosophical questions.

I'm sorry, but monetary policy matters more than feminism.

[United Marxist Nations]

So "They did it first!"

?

"it's your own damn fault, it was your strategy, you wanted this"

"You made a choice bourgies... only you could have prevented this... you could have stopped it." - Joseph Stalin, on identity politics.

[6Marion9]

That doesn't make any sense because economics is a social science. I'm not dismissing social sciences. If you're really hypersensitive about it, maybe I'm dismissing gender studies or something like that. But no the entire field of social and behavioural science.

Actually, can you remind us what you are saying in this thread? I kind of feel like I've lost it a little.

TLDR is - a lot of social activists are taking it really far and the youth in America has no idea about what they're talking about in politics because Economics, Government, and Foreign Policy take a backseat in priorities when a feminist takes to twitter.

Also excessive Social Liberalism sort of makes college an....interesting place, with more negative connotations than positive ones.

[Liriena]

If you're really hypersensitive about it

That word gets thrown around in this sort of discussions way too often. Talk about thought terminating clichés.

[Gregahou]

I'm also not too big a fan of the 9 billion different gender categorizations, I mean at this point I'm going to identify as a tree and call it a day.?

LOL SAME

Like, I understand, but I think said person would distract and be bullied less if they DIDN'T make such a big deal about it.

[Twilight Imperium]

TLDR is - a lot of social activists are taking it really far and the youth in America has no idea about what they're talking about in politics because Economics, Government, and Foreign Policy take a backseat in priorities when a feminist takes to twitter.

Also excessive Social Liberalism sort of makes college an....interesting place, with more negative connotations than positive ones.

Ah. I agree with whoever said social media is acting as an amplifier - lots of people who would previously have no way of having a national platform now can shout to the entire internet. Also, if you're a feminist (or whateverist) activist, of course your chosen issue is going to be more important to you than other issues. That's.. not new?

Also excessive most things is what college is for Activism, drinking, partying.. often at the same time. Still not new, still not really a problem? Why is any of this new and/or bad?

[Othelos]

People have been asking if social liberalism has gone too far since the 60's. We're still here, and we're fine.

[United Marxist Nations]

People have been asking if social liberalism has gone too far since the 60's. We're still here, and we're fine.

I'm not really sure if "functioning" should be the barometer by whether we measure if something is good or bad. Not to mention, it is hard to gauge how it will effect everything this soon. And, in Europe, they are seeing population decline as a result of similar liberalism.

[United Marxist Nations]

I'm also not too big a fan of the 9 billion different gender categorizations, I mean at this point I'm going to identify as a tree and call it a day.?

LOL SAME

Like, I understand, but I think said person would distract and be bullied less if they DIDN'T make such a big deal about it.

I only know one transgender person, but, from what I glean from them is that the making a big deal is more the result of the bullying than the cause.

[Othelos]

People have been asking if social liberalism has gone too far since the 60's. We're still here, and we're fine.

I'm not really sure if "functioning" should be the barometer by whether we measure if something is good or bad. Not to mention, it is hard to gauge how it will effect everything this soon. And, in Europe, they are seeing population decline as a result of similar liberalism.

Actually, birth rates decline due to development, which is a product of economics.

And on the other hand, Iran is pretty conservative, yet its birth rate is below replacement.

[United Marxist Nations]

I'm not really sure if "functioning" should be the barometer by whether we measure if something is good or bad. Not to mention, it is hard to gauge how it will effect everything this soon. And, in Europe, they are seeing population decline as a result of similar liberalism.

Actually, birth rates decline due to development, which is a product of economics.

And on the other hand, Iran is pretty conservative, yet its birth rate is below replacement.

Well then, I will admit I was wrong about that. Though, I would say that Iran must have some degree of liberalism for that to be the case, as otherwise it would be difficult to prevent pregnancy that long.

[Imperium Sidhicum]

The present day leftist liberalism is a perversion detrimental to societies that it infests. As with all ideologies that have largely accomplished their original goals and outlived their usefulness, liberalism too has become perverted, making up increasingly ludicrous problems that weren't there before and supposedly need solving in order to justify it's continued existence.

[The Lacedaemonians]

Do you write for the Daily Mail, OP?

I can't breathe

[Zoice]

Hell no. Social liberalism hasn't gone far enough when Donald Drumpf is leading the Republican polls.

[6Marion9]

Do you write for the Daily Mail, OP?

I can't breathe

Is "Ifrean" considered funny around these parts?

[Al-Portug]

The New Left is a cancer killing Leftism.

[Neu California]

The present day leftist liberalism is a perversion detrimental to societies that it infests. As with all ideologies that have largely accomplished their original goals and outlived their usefulness, liberalism too has become perverted, making up increasingly ludicrous problems that weren't there before and supposedly need solving in order to justify it's continued existence.

Explain. Because it sounds like you're just using a lot of buzzwords to discredit modern social liberalism, and doing a bad job of it at that.

[Atomic Utopia]

Liberalism has not gone far enough and never will have gone far enough until people are permitted to do whatever they please as long as anyone directly involved consents and is of course capable of consenting.

People should do anything that they want as long as they don't harm others, and for all intents and purposes gay marriage, athiesim, using drugs, having consensual sex, gambling, and so on can be considered not harming others without their consent.

[United Marxist Nations]

Liberalism has not gone far enough and never will have gone far enough until people are permitted to do whatever they please as long as anyone directly involved consents and is of course capable of consenting.

People should do anything that they want as long as they don't harm others, and for all intents and purposes gay marriage, athiesim, using drugs, having consensual sex, gambling, and so on can be considered not harming others without their consent.

Some of these activities are harmful to society as a whole.

[USS Monitor]

First of all, this is a problem imho - http://reason.com/blog/2014/07/17/socia ... rgely-def2

Not that I have anything against Racial, Gender, or Sexual equality, but honestly, I think this is getting out of hand. The identity politics is too real right now, and it feels like no one is paying enough attention to issues that actually matter.

First of all, college campuses are absolutely absurd with this whole patriarchy thing and I feel like a lot of gay people are pretty.....aggressive with their marketing. Apparently if you have a problem with a gay man brushing up against you, you're a homophobe insecure of your sexuality....? And if you think maybe, JUST MAYBE, that casual flirting and flinging with women isn't a big deal you're a misogynist. I'm also not too big a fan of the 9 billion different gender categorizations, I mean at this point I'm going to identify as a tree and call it a day.

There's this interesting article by the Atlantic that describes the sad state of millennials in politics. I think that Social Liberalism being a bigger deal than issues like trade, or the complete financialization of our economy is pretty worrisome.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... ys/374427/


Personally, I've always been of the philosophy that such debates about social justice, for the most part, are unavailing. And if millennials focused more on the economics and politics of business and international relations, rather than discussing gender categorization, we would make more advancements on social equality rather than taking to twitter wars. Hell, maybe our generation might even get respected. That's just my two cents, so am I an outdated privileged "fuck boy", or does this strike a cord with anyone else?

I agree with the gist of what you said, but what kind of tree do you identify as? I like pines.

Some people really are taking identity politics too far and losing sight of the big picture that people are people. (Cue cheesy Depeche Mode song) I think there is still a need for the LGBT rights movement and ongoing conversations about race and gender, but some people are approaching it the wrong way and demanding an unreasonable level of ideological conformity. For example, speaking against biased policing is constructive. The controversy over Halloween costumes at Yale, not so much.

[USS Monitor]

I'm also not too big a fan of the 9 billion different gender categorizations, I mean at this point I'm going to identify as a tree and call it a day.?

LOL SAME

Like, I understand, but I think said person would distract and be bullied less if they DIDN'T make such a big deal about it.

Our society and our language aren't well suited to handling people that don't fit neatly into the categories of male or female. One reason there are so many different terms is because the trans community is still figuring out how they want things organized. They're still finding themselves, and a lot of weird shit comes out in the process. Sometimes they need to put different ideas and labels out there to see what works for them and what doesn't.

Being trans is not something people can keep to themselves because the process of transitioning is outwardly visible.

[Napkiraly]

So I guess this might be the appropriate thread for this. http://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/mar/02/zoe-saldana-nina-simone-black-makeup-film-trailer

I dunno what to think, since I'm still pondering it. My initial reaction however was "wat".

[Quokkastan]

No.

[USS Monitor]

So I guess this might be the appropriate thread for this. http://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/mar/02/zoe-saldana-nina-simone-black-makeup-film-trailer

I dunno what to think, since I'm still pondering it. My initial reaction however was "wat".

Why didn't they just get someone who looks the part without a prosthetic nose?