Social Liberalism Gone Too Far?

[6Marion9]

First of all, this is a problem imho - http://reason.com/blog/2014/07/17/socia ... rgely-def2

Not that I have anything against Racial, Gender, or Sexual equality, but honestly, I think this is getting out of hand. The identity politics is too real right now, and it feels like no one is paying enough attention to issues that actually matter.

First of all, college campuses are absolutely absurd with this whole patriarchy thing and I feel like a lot of gay people are pretty.....aggressive with their marketing. Apparently if you have a problem with a gay man brushing up against you, you're a homophobe insecure of your sexuality....? And if you think maybe, JUST MAYBE, that casual flirting and flinging with women isn't a big deal you're a misogynist. I'm also not too big a fan of the 9 billion different gender categorizations, I mean at this point I'm going to identify as a tree and call it a day.

There's this interesting article by the Atlantic that describes the sad state of millennials in politics. I think that Social Liberalism being a bigger deal than issues like trade, or the complete financialization of our economy is pretty worrisome.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... ys/374427/


Personally, I've always been of the philosophy that such debates about social justice, for the most part, are unavailing. And if millennials focused more on the economics and politics of business and international relations, rather than discussing gender categorization, we would make more advancements on social equality rather than taking to twitter wars. Hell, maybe our generation might even get respected. That's just my two cents, so am I an outdated privileged "fuck boy", or does this strike a cord with anyone else?

[Ashlak]

Social liberalism has gone too far because the far left exists?

Overly PC people have existed for a while now. They're annoying, but they won't cause the damage that right wing people claim they will.

[6Marion9]

Social liberalism has gone too far because the far left exists?

Overly PC people have existed for a while now. They're annoying, but they won't cause the damage that right wing people claim they will.

I have no problem with far leftism. Anarchists can actually be pretty good scholars. Ditto with communists.

It's the focus on social issues rather than economic issues as a trend I'm worried about. It's not their political affiliation, it's their reasoning for political affiliation.

[Ifreann]

Do you write for the Daily Mail, OP?

[6Marion9]

Do you write for the Daily Mail, OP?

Wow

[National Socialist Golden Dawn Greece]

Anything Leftist is bad for a country.

[Ashlak]

Social liberalism has gone too far because the far left exists?

Overly PC people have existed for a while now. They're annoying, but they won't cause the damage that right wing people claim they will.

I have no problem with far leftism. Anarchists can actually be pretty good scholars. Ditto with communists.

It's the focus on social issues rather than economic issues as a trend I'm worried about. It's not their political affiliation, it's their reasoning for political affiliation.

Probably should have specified "post modernist" far left.

I think the reason that many identify as "left" based on their social position is that, at least in the US, the mainstream right tends to be absolutely backwards on those issues.

[Alyakia]

it was the (for the record, mostly right-wing) elites that used identify politics to try and divide the working classes down racial/cultural lines specifically so they don't realize their economic interests are in line and team up against them. so don't give me this "damn millennials" pish, they didn't suddenly pop up in a vaccum and decide that race was the most important thing ever. your post also reeks of a rather hilarious persecution complex.

[Mienon]

Yes, it's an issue, but not a big one. The SJWs seem to have been stopped in their rise (in terms of political power), so they can't do much damage.

[6Marion9]

it was the (for the record, mostly right-wing) elites that used identify politics to try and divide the working classes down racial/cultural lines specifically so they don't realize their economic interests are in line and team up against them. so don't give me this "damn millennials" pish, they didn't suddenly pop up in a vaccum and decide that race was the most important thing ever. your post also reeks of a rather hilarious persecution complex.

So "They did it first!"

?

[Twilight Imperium]

I have no problem with far leftism. Anarchists can actually be pretty good scholars. Ditto with communists.

It's the focus on social issues rather than economic issues as a trend I'm worried about. It's not their political affiliation, it's their reasoning for political affiliation.

Social issues often are economic issues. See for example the Civil Rights movement of the 60's or the Civil Goddamned War. If you don't think that social issues are important, then congratulations! You're probably privileged. And I don't mean that sarcastically, it's legitimately great. For you. Let the others alone while they try to achieve the same, s'il vous plait.

[Alyakia]

it was the (for the record, mostly right-wing) elites that used identify politics to try and divide the working classes down racial/cultural lines specifically so they don't realize their economic interests are in line and team up against them. so don't give me this "damn millennials" pish, they didn't suddenly pop up in a vaccum and decide that race was the most important thing ever. your post also reeks of a rather hilarious persecution complex.

So "They did it first!"

?

"it's your own damn fault, it was your strategy, you wanted this"

[Anarchist Heathenry]

I feel like a lot of gay people are pretty.....aggressive with their marketing.

This translates to:

"You can be gay, but you can't be gay!"

[MERIZoC]

Nothing wrong with identification on non economic grounds. Would you be complaining if the first descriptor a person used on themselves was "Christian"?

[Ghatawerpya]

Social liberalism isn't about censorship.

[Anarchist Heathenry]

Social liberalism has gone too far because the far left exists?

Overly PC people have existed for a while now. They're annoying, but they won't cause the damage that right wing people claim they will.

PC police =/= far-left.

Anything Leftist is bad for a country.

Look in a mirror.

[Alyakia]

I feel like a lot of gay people are pretty.....aggressive with their marketing.

This translates to:

"You can be gay, but you can't be gay!"

yeah, to be honest, i am getting sick of straights and their aggressive marketing. it's fucking everywhere. not a day goes by where some straight just has to go about who they fucked and remind me how straight they and their straight partner are. and i'm a feminist SJW if i don't want a guy rubbing against me? please.

[6Marion9]

So "They did it first!"

?

"it's your own damn fault, it was your strategy, you wanted this"

I don't have a political affiliation with the right-wing, but I feel what used to be a party of sensible people is being hijacked by extremist lunatics who scream at Bernie Sanders for not being black, feminine, or gay enough.

And for the record "their strategy" IS working. Objectively speaking, the Republicans are a zillion times better at politics than Democrats. In fact, I blame the rise of the republican party and the failure of the democratic party to unify very heavily on identity politics.

[6Marion9]

Nothing wrong with identification on non economic grounds. Would you be complaining if the first descriptor a person used on themselves was "Christian"?

Probably, yea.

[Twilight Imperium]

And for the record "their strategy" IS working. Objectively speaking, the Republicans are a zillion times better at politics than Democrats. In fact, I blame the rise of the republican party and the failure of the democratic party to unify very heavily on identity politics.

What part of "let's all plug our ears until the scary black man goes away" is "being good at politics"?

I mean yeah, the Dems are pretty wet-fartish lately too, but really?

[MERIZoC]

Nothing wrong with identification on non economic grounds. Would you be complaining if the first descriptor a person used on themselves was "Christian"?

Probably, yea.

Why? Who are you to dictate labels of other people?

[6Marion9]

I have no problem with far leftism. Anarchists can actually be pretty good scholars. Ditto with communists.

It's the focus on social issues rather than economic issues as a trend I'm worried about. It's not their political affiliation, it's their reasoning for political affiliation.

Social issues often are economic issues. See for example the Civil Rights movement of the 60's or the Civil Goddamned War. If you don't think that social issues are important, then congratulations! You're probably privileged. And I don't mean that sarcastically, it's legitimately great. For you. Let the others alone while they try to achieve the same, s'il vous plait.

Well, economic issues are by definition social issues, that's why I used social liberalism in the title. Sorry if it was confusing, the labeling was a bit confusing for me too.

And I think certain social issues do matter, like soft racial discrimination and jazz. I mean, I am a feminist and I do support gay marriage. I get the harsh realities of subconscious discrimination and their effect in the work place because I've seen it happen. But, considering how focused they are on this sort of thing than they are on their work, it makes it much harder to feel sympathy for them than it should.

Gays handled it a lot better than feminists, and of the social activist groups I think they're the most..."modest" if that's the right word. The problem is youthful lgbt on college campuses who are more like that, rather than adults in corporate.

[6Marion9]

Probably, yea.

Why? Who are you to dictate labels of other people?

Did I ever say they shouldn't be allowed to label themselves? I didn't.

But I do in fact think less of someone who uses "Christian" as a personality description before quirky, loyal, friendly, etc.

[Twilight Imperium]

Well, economic issues are by definition social issues, that's why I used social liberalism in the title. Sorry if it was confusing, the labeling was a bit confusing for me too.

And I think certain social issues do matter, like soft racial discrimination and jazz. I mean, I am a feminist and I do support gay marriage. I get the harsh realities of subconscious discrimination and their effect in the work place because I've seen it happen. But, considering how focused they are on this sort of thing than they are on their work, it makes it much harder to feel sympathy for them than it should.

Gays handled it a lot better than feminists, and of the social activist groups I think they're the most..."modest" if that's the right word. The problem is youthful lgbt on college campuses who are more like that, rather than adults in corporate.

The youth lobby is always more passionate, since they have more energy. This is neither new nor particularly troubling. Also, what would you rather they do? Math homework?

[6Marion9]

And for the record "their strategy" IS working. Objectively speaking, the Republicans are a zillion times better at politics than Democrats. In fact, I blame the rise of the republican party and the failure of the democratic party to unify very heavily on identity politics.

What part of "let's all plug our ears until the scary black man goes away" is "being good at politics"?

I mean yeah, the Dems are pretty wet-fartish lately too, but really?

The fact that they win elections and they have a sizeable amount of blue collar white people who are being fucked over by republicans, but still vote for republicans, means their strategy is working. If the Democrats played the game even remotely as good as republicans, every election would be a landslide and the GOP would be forced to go to the left.