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Postby Hurdegaryp » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:23 am

Philjia wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:If ads wouldn't often be so obnoxious, people wouldn't install adblockers. It's not theft, it's fighting back.

Ads are hardly obnoxious, except on slightly dodgy sites that you probably shouldn't be using anyway. How else do you expect sites to pay for themselves?

By being sympathetic enough for me to disable to adblocker for their specific page.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:23 am

Kannap wrote:
Philjia wrote:
The easy solution is to stop using ad blockers. They're essentially theft.


It's nice to know that the FBI has finally stopped targeting movie pirates and is turning it's main efforts against the high crime of ad-blocking.


Thanks obama.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:24 am

Jute wrote:[quote='Forbes']Hi again. Looks like you’re still using an ad blocker. Please turn it off in order to continue into Forbes' ad-light experience.

Wow, these sites are really getting cleverer, it seems. The casual tone almost makes me think it's a personal message, haha. Funny thing is, I had to deactivate my main ad-blocker to even see that message, but another extension is still blocking some advertisers, which apparently caused that message to pop up.[/quote]

Forbes doesn't need my service then. I'm not disabling adblocker for shit, I'll consider it when websites stop letting computer-killing ads display on their webpages. That's like a hooker asking you to not wear a condom.

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Jute
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Postby Jute » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:25 am

Philjia wrote:
Jute wrote:"Hi again. Looks like you’re still using an ad blocker. Please turn it off in order to continue into Forbes' ad-light experience."
Wow, these sites are really getting cleverer, it seems. The casual tone almost makes me think it's a personal message, haha. Funny thing is, I had to deactivate my main ad-blocker to even see that message, but another extension is still blocking some advertisers, which apparently caused that message to pop up.


The easy solution is to stop using ad blockers. They're essentially theft.

It's as much theft as reading a newspaper on a newspaper stand. Or a book in a bookstore. If internet sites had never started the wave of obnoxious, screen-filling advertising, sometimes with sounds and pop-ups, then the ad-blockers would have never become so popular. In some cases, they even protect the security of the browser since they prevent hijacked ads with malicious content to load.
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...The notion that science
and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
"A rejection of all philosophy is in itself philosophy."

Check out the Jutean language! Talk to me about anything. Avian air force flag (Source) Definition of atheism Is Religion Dangerous?

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Philjia
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Postby Philjia » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:26 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
Jute wrote:"Hi again. Looks like you’re still using an ad blocker. Please turn it off in order to continue into Forbes' ad-light experience."
Wow, these sites are really getting cleverer, it seems. The casual tone almost makes me think it's a personal message, haha. Funny thing is, I had to deactivate my main ad-blocker to even see that message, but another extension is still blocking some advertisers, which apparently caused that message to pop up.


Forbes doesn't need my service then. I'm not disabling adblocker for shit, I'll consider it when websites stop letting computer-killing ads display on their webpages. That's like a hooker asking you to not wear a condom.


Unless you're accessing piracy sites on PCs made of dried leaves I have no idea how ads could possibly have that much of an effect.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:26 am

Philjia wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:If ads wouldn't often be so obnoxious, people wouldn't install adblockers. It's not theft, it's fighting back.


Ads are hardly obnoxious, except on slightly dodgy sites that you probably shouldn't be using anyway. How else do you expect sites to pay for themselves?

Video ads in particular are, and if you are on a mobile device you are paying for those bits being downloaded to you. The advertiser has no explicit right to make anyone watch their ads.
The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 



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Hladgos
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Postby Hladgos » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:27 am

Reading Trumps campaign site is kinda painful. Why would I do that?
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Postby Kannap » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:27 am

Philjia wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:If ads wouldn't often be so obnoxious, people wouldn't install adblockers. It's not theft, it's fighting back.


Ads are hardly obnoxious, except on slightly dodgy sites that you probably shouldn't be using anyway. How else do you expect sites to pay for themselves?


National currency. *nods*

That being said, the only way NationStates will ever be ad-free for me will be after I purchase the "Supporter" thingie on the Store page.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:27 am

Jute wrote:
Philjia wrote:
The easy solution is to stop using ad blockers. They're essentially theft.

It's as much theft as reading a newspaper on a newspaper stand. Or a book in a bookstore. If internet sites had never started the wave of obnoxious, screen-filling advertising, sometimes with sounds and pop-ups, then the ad-blockers would have never become so popular. In some cases, they even protect the security of the browser since they prevent hijacked ads with malicious content to load.


And let's be frank. Most of the ads we come across nowadays look like the computer version of ebola just waiting for you to misclick.

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Jute
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Postby Jute » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:27 am

Philjia wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:If ads wouldn't often be so obnoxious, people wouldn't install adblockers. It's not theft, it's fighting back.


Ads are hardly obnoxious, except on slightly dodgy sites that you probably shouldn't be using anyway. How else do you expect sites to pay for themselves?

Even sites from famous newspapers, which are hardly worth being called dodgy, have been hijacked to host drive-by downloads in the past. It's really not just "shady" ones, and I do have no problem with less intrusive ads (the ones on Nationstates for example were never a problem and even amusing to some extent)
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...The notion that science
and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
"A rejection of all philosophy is in itself philosophy."

Check out the Jutean language! Talk to me about anything. Avian air force flag (Source) Definition of atheism Is Religion Dangerous?

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:27 am

Jute wrote:
Philjia wrote:
The easy solution is to stop using ad blockers. They're essentially theft.

It's as much theft as reading a newspaper on a newspaper stand. Or a book in a bookstore. If internet sites had never started the wave of obnoxious, screen-filling advertising, sometimes with sounds and pop-ups, then the ad-blockers would have never become so popular. In some cases, they even protect the security of the browser since they prevent hijacked ads with malicious content to load.

Adblockers are theft. Your computer becoming infected by malicious adware is perfectly acceptable. Submit to your corporate overlords!
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Kannap » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:28 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Kannap wrote:
It's nice to know that the FBI has finally stopped targeting movie pirates and is turning it's main efforts against the high crime of ad-blocking.


Thanks obama.


Doing the good Pope's work.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:28 am

Hladgos wrote:Reading Trumps campaign site is kinda painful. Why would I do that?


Oh my god, you poor soul. Can I get you anything? Coffee? Therapy?

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Postby Jute » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:29 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Philjia wrote:
Ads are hardly obnoxious, except on slightly dodgy sites that you probably shouldn't be using anyway. How else do you expect sites to pay for themselves?

Video ads in particular are, and if you are on a mobile device you are paying for those bits being downloaded to you. The advertiser has no explicit right to make anyone watch their ads.

Can't imagine using Youtube as much with no adblocker, actually. Since I don't really watch those channels that would be dependent on them it's probably not even causing much harm, and there are still other ways of supporting them.
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...The notion that science
and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
"A rejection of all philosophy is in itself philosophy."

Check out the Jutean language! Talk to me about anything. Avian air force flag (Source) Definition of atheism Is Religion Dangerous?

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Postby Kannap » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:29 am

Philjia wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
Forbes doesn't need my service then. I'm not disabling adblocker for shit, I'll consider it when websites stop letting computer-killing ads display on their webpages. That's like a hooker asking you to not wear a condom.


Unless you're accessing piracy sites on PCs made of dried leaves I have no idea how ads could possibly have that much of an effect.


Idiots who want to show their mad hacking "skills" by paying for their "ads" to be displayed on any website of their ambition.
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Postby Hladgos » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:30 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
Hladgos wrote:Reading Trumps campaign site is kinda painful. Why would I do that?


Oh my god, you poor soul. Can I get you anything? Coffee? Therapy?

Free healthcare would be nice, the only thing that can heal this wound is a Bern
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Life is suffering. Suffering is caused by craving and aversion. Suffering can be overcome and happiness can be attained. Live a moral life.

"Life would be tragic if it weren't funny." -Stephen Hawking

"The purpose of our life is to be happy." -Dali Lama

"If I had no sense of humor, I would have long ago committed suicide." -Gandhi

"Don't worry, be happy!" -Bobby McFerrin

Silly Pride

"No." -Dya

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Postby Lady Scylla » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:30 am

Philjia wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
Forbes doesn't need my service then. I'm not disabling adblocker for shit, I'll consider it when websites stop letting computer-killing ads display on their webpages. That's like a hooker asking you to not wear a condom.


Unless you're accessing piracy sites on PCs made of dried leaves I have no idea how ads could possibly have that much of an effect.


Malicious ads exist on reputable sites too y'know. If you honestly think they solely exist on shady websites, you're horribly mistaken.

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Postby Philjia » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:30 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Philjia wrote:
Ads are hardly obnoxious, except on slightly dodgy sites that you probably shouldn't be using anyway. How else do you expect sites to pay for themselves?

Video ads in particular are, and if you are on a mobile device you are paying for those bits being downloaded to you. The advertiser has no explicit right to make anyone watch their ads.


It's their site, you obey their rules. If you don't like their rules, don't go there.
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Postby Jute » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:30 am

Philjia wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
Forbes doesn't need my service then. I'm not disabling adblocker for shit, I'll consider it when websites stop letting computer-killing ads display on their webpages. That's like a hooker asking you to not wear a condom.


Unless you're accessing piracy sites on PCs made of dried leaves I have no idea how ads could possibly have that much of an effect.

Drive-by downloads can happen on all pages, even the most reputable ones.
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...The notion that science
and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
"A rejection of all philosophy is in itself philosophy."

Check out the Jutean language! Talk to me about anything. Avian air force flag (Source) Definition of atheism Is Religion Dangerous?

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Postby Lady Scylla » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:30 am

Hladgos wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
Oh my god, you poor soul. Can I get you anything? Coffee? Therapy?

Free healthcare would be nice, the only thing that can heal this wound is a Bern


If it lasts more than 4 years, consult a physician.

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Postby Kannap » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:31 am

Hladgos wrote:Reading Trumps campaign site is kinda painful. Why would I do that?


Because you're a masochist?
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Postby Jute » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:31 am

Philjia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Video ads in particular are, and if you are on a mobile device you are paying for those bits being downloaded to you. The advertiser has no explicit right to make anyone watch their ads.


It's their site, you obey their rules. If you don't like their rules, don't go there.

How do you know which ads they have before you open the page?
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...The notion that science
and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
"A rejection of all philosophy is in itself philosophy."

Check out the Jutean language! Talk to me about anything. Avian air force flag (Source) Definition of atheism Is Religion Dangerous?

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Postby Kannap » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:32 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Jute wrote:It's as much theft as reading a newspaper on a newspaper stand. Or a book in a bookstore. If internet sites had never started the wave of obnoxious, screen-filling advertising, sometimes with sounds and pop-ups, then the ad-blockers would have never become so popular. In some cases, they even protect the security of the browser since they prevent hijacked ads with malicious content to load.

Adblockers are theft. Your computer becoming infected by malicious adware is perfectly acceptable. Submit to your corporate overlords!


Hey, as long as your computer is getting infected by malicious adware, I have a job.

That being said, my job is combating the folks putting the malicious adware on the internet.
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Postby Philjia » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:32 am

Jute wrote:
Philjia wrote:
Unless you're accessing piracy sites on PCs made of dried leaves I have no idea how ads could possibly have that much of an effect.

Drive-by downloads can happen on all pages, even the most reputable ones.


Which is what Avast is for.
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⚧ Trans rights. ⚧
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