The UK Referendum on Membership of the European Union

[Mad hatters in jeans]

Correct me if I'm wrong but politicians in Scotland have already stated their intent to hold a referendum. And if Northern Ireland went heavily EU, and Scotland looks to be leaving the UK, why wouldn't they explore unifying Ireland? And if the UK looks like it's going to be less a "united Kingdom" and more a "England and Wales Party of Two", well, that's a very different situation than what folks are seeing currently.

The blathering of Holyrood is utterly irrelevant. All powers on calling a legitimate referendum lie with Westminster, they exist at our behest and can only carry out any meaningful action with our permission. I would not put it past the incompetency of the government to grant them this referendum, but until then this big-talk of "hurr durr there will be a second referendum!" is just meaningless threats.

There shouldn't even be a Scottish parliament.

Did you come out of a time machine from the 1800s?
What''s it like there? Are you still fighting the French? Have you defeated Napoleon yet?

[Novus America]

Well, perhaps if Britain had something to offer besides having a strong capital city that has made its economic prosperity on investment and trade, then no...i do not think Britain (or what will be left of it) will survive. Pound will go down and never reach its old grandeur, and the EU will most definitely give us a cold shoulder.

All because some farmers and nationalists wanted to 'reclaim' their sovereignty. Best thing we could have done was to stay and work in an alliance with eurosceptic parties against the collectivist Merkel/Junker bandwagon, rather than leave like cowards. Britain has lost her economic influence, and her place on the world's stage.

Because Hong Kong and New York are dependent on China and the USA respectively. Right?

New York City is heavily dependent on the US, but I am not sure what the point of that is.

[The Islands of Versilia]

Don't trust 'em. They might rebuild the Armada...

I would love to see an Armada of ships from a bygone age, that would be amazing.

I wonder if it's more or less expensive to build an 18th century ship over something like a modern destroyer or cruiser?

The British expat community will grow. Whacky stick!

Nah they're all going to Canada, seems to be the place to go if you hate your home country for some reason.
I'm not complaining.

I wouldn't mind seeing that either. Unless they try to attack again. Thankfully, we have explosions to fix that problem.

[Novus America]

Singapore does just fine.

You're like the fifth person I've seen bring up Singapore as an example. I still don't get it - what in god's name does a South East Asian city state transit hub have to do with the UK? There is more or less nothing about Singapore's socio-economic and political set-up that would be replicable in Britain. But it's somehow become the go-to example.

Well it is still a popular tax haven. I am sure London will still be a popular tax haven. It is not the same, but being small does not mean a lack of investment. Not that the UK will be small.

[Kriga]

Well, perhaps if Britain had something to offer besides having a strong capital city that has made its economic prosperity on investment and trade, then no...i do not think Britain (or what will be left of it) will survive. Pound will go down and never reach its old grandeur, and the EU will most definitely give us a cold shoulder.

All because some farmers and nationalists wanted to 'reclaim' their sovereignty. Best thing we could have done was to stay and work in an alliance with eurosceptic parties against the collectivist Merkel/Junker bandwagon, rather than leave like cowards. Britain has lost her economic influence, and her place on the world's stage.

Because Hong Kong and New York are dependent on China and the USA respectively. Right?

New York City is a city within the US that has made its money on business and economic prosperity. Their development has been propelled by a combination of the State and individuals themselves. NYC has nothing to do with Brexit, nor is it remotely like Brexit's situation.

And if you think for a second that Hong Kong is entirely independent from Chinese influence, you are quite far-fetched in your facts. Hong Kong is under Chinese control and influence. And while it is more Liberal than the People's Republic, it is far from independent. You are changing the subject and drawing far-flung analogies to Brexit. Britain is not like that.

Britain no longer has an Empire. Its possessions in India, Africa, the Americas. Lands that once provided them with bountiful natural resources, are lost. They are simply reduced to an isle. Now, besides generic crops, steel and shipping, and some oil in Scotland, what does the UK have to offer?

Still think we should screw economic problems? Well, its going to be haunting the Leavers soon enough, as well as the entire Isles itself, unless Scotland and Northern Ireland get the hell out of the union (which the former will definitely do).

Britain was stronger in Europe as its trade agreements provided it with a strong economic base. Now, they are no longer fifth in the economic standing, and the union itself is threatening to disintegrate.

[Greater Mackonia]

The blathering of Holyrood is utterly irrelevant. All powers on calling a legitimate referendum lie with Westminster, they exist at our behest and can only carry out any meaningful action with our permission. I would not put it past the incompetency of the government to grant them this referendum, but until then this big-talk of "hurr durr there will be a second referendum!" is just meaningless threats.

There shouldn't even be a Scottish parliament.

Did you come out of a time machine from the 1800s?
What''s it like there? Are you still fighting the French? Have you defeated Napoleon yet?

...I really really hate it when you people live up to your every stereotype. It actually worries me that the Neo-Nazis are so accurate.

[Teemant]

I don't understand why young people don't bother to vote as much as old people do. This was the referendum that influenced young people much more than old people and as we saw young people overwhelmingly supported remaining in the EU.

[Novus America]

Well, perhaps if Britain had something to offer besides having a strong capital city that has made its economic prosperity on investment and trade, then no...i do not think Britain (or what will be left of it) will survive. Pound will go down and never reach its old grandeur, and the EU will most definitely give us a cold shoulder.

All because some farmers and nationalists wanted to 'reclaim' their sovereignty. Best thing we could have done was to stay and work in an alliance with eurosceptic parties against the collectivist Merkel/Junker bandwagon, rather than leave like cowards. Britain has lost her economic influence, and her place on the world's stage.

Here's what I think will happen:

Scotland leaves the UK to join the EU, NI joins Ireland, and Britain falls into a deep depression with seemingly no end, until the peoples vote to rejoin, then they recover. I can't see the UK making it on it's own.

First of all Scotland cannot leave the UK without permission. Second Scotland would have a hard time rejoining the UK. NI is not joining Ireland anytime soon either.

[The Blaatschapen]

I don't understand why young people don't bother to vote as much as old people do. This was the referendum that influenced young people much more than old people and as we saw young people overwhelmingly supported remaining in the EU.

Cameron did not campaign enough on snapchat

[Talvezout]

I don't understand why young people don't bother to vote as much as old people do. This was the referendum that influenced young people much more than old people and as we saw among young people was overwhelming support for remain.

I would argue that the rain could have had a negative effect on remain voters, especially if they had the sentiment of "Remain is probably gonna win, why bother"

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I mean, I find it amusing that you think as such:

"money problems?! Bah, tough it up Brits! Our ideals of dismantling an ideology I find repugnant is more important than your pockets! Now, who's gonna buy me a beer".

Honestly, it makes me chuckle.

I'm an amusing kind of guy.

I mean, a word on those "money problems", the FTSE recovered something like half of its original value by the time Porky made his bacon.

But your pound to dollar value didn't. It went down from 1.48 to 1.33, and it has barely recovered back to 1.37.

I mean, I don't have a problem with my pocket. I'm in American soil. But just saying, saying "economic problems are secondary to the destruction of an ideology" tells me you don't care about money.

[Teemant]

I don't understand why young people don't bother to vote as much as old people do. This was the referendum that influenced young people much more than old people and as we saw among young people was overwhelming support for remain.

I would argue that the rain could have had a negative effect on remain voters, especially if they had the sentiment of "Remain is probably gonna win, why bother"

It might be possible. If I remember correctly last polls before vote also showed remain with a lead.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Did you come out of a time machine from the 1800s?
What''s it like there? Are you still fighting the French? Have you defeated Napoleon yet?

...I really really hate it when you people live up to your every stereotype. It actually worries me that the Neo-Nazis are so accurate.

I'm not even a liberal, but apparently I am more of a dirty capitalist than some people here considering all I care about is money.

[Teemant]

I don't understand why young people don't bother to vote as much as old people do. This was the referendum that influenced young people much more than old people and as we saw young people overwhelmingly supported remaining in the EU.

Cameron did not campaign enough on snapchat

It might have helped.

[Kelinfort]

I have deemed this a satisfactory result. Any economic problems are utterly secondary to dismantling Social Humanism.

Who's the radical again?

[The Liberated Territories]

Just posting this here and leaving again.

[Astaliah]

My message, and I presume that of most Irish people is the following.

You are idiots, you will regret it. Typical English.

[Novus America]

Because Hong Kong and New York are dependent on China and the USA respectively. Right?

New York City is a city within the US that has made its money on business and economic prosperity. Their development has been propelled by a combination of the State and individuals themselves. NYC has nothing to do with Brexit, nor is it remotely like Brexit's situation.

And if you think for a second that Hong Kong is entirely independent from Chinese influence, you are quite far-fetched in your facts. Hong Kong is under Chinese control and influence. And while it is more Liberal than the People's Republic, it is far from independent. You are changing the subject and drawing far-flung analogies to Brexit. Britain is not like that.

Britain no longer has an Empire. Its possessions in India, Africa, the Americas. Lands that once provided them with bountiful natural resources, are lost. They are simply reduced to an isle. Now, besides generic crops, steel and shipping, and some oil in Scotland, what does the UK have to offer?

Still think we should screw economic problems? Well, its going to be haunting the Leavers soon enough, as well as the entire Isles itself, unless Scotland and Northern Ireland get the hell out of the union (which the former will definitely do).

Britain was stronger in Europe as its trade agreements provided it with a strong economic base. Now, they are no longer fifth in the economic standing, and the union itself is threatening to disintegrate.

Plenty of countries are prosperous without having a Empire or being part of some Union. Leaving will have benefits and negatives. The question is how well will the UK adapt to being outside.

Will it become more like Singapore? Or more like the Phillipines? Only time will tell.

Obviously the UK is different than both, but that is not the point. The point is Singapore adapted well. The Phillipines not so much so.

[Maurepas]

I don't think that's how it necessarily has to go down. Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales, all went Remain, I could see a scenario where they join up with Ireland as a backdoor way to stay in the EU. Northern Ireland seems like it might go that way anyway.

Wouldn't that be interesting. What would Ireland, Scotland, and Wales call themselves?

The Gaelic Republic? lol

My mistake on Wales, but I know both Northern Ireland and Scotland are talking referendums again.

[San Lumen]

Well, perhaps if Britain had something to offer besides having a strong capital city that has made its economic prosperity on investment and trade, then no...i do not think Britain (or what will be left of it) will survive. Pound will go down and never reach its old grandeur, and the EU will most definitely give us a cold shoulder.

All because some farmers and nationalists wanted to 'reclaim' their sovereignty. Best thing we could have done was to stay and work in an alliance with eurosceptic parties against the collectivist Merkel/Junker bandwagon, rather than leave like cowards. Britain has lost her economic influence, and her place on the world's stage.

Here's what I think will happen:

Scotland leaves the UK to join the EU, NI joins Ireland, and Britain falls into a deep depression with seemingly no end, until the peoples vote to rejoin, then they recover. I can't see the UK making it on it's own.

Scotland isn't going to leave unless parliament gives permission and they aren't going to hold a vote to rejoin. The U.K. Can survive without the European Union. I hope this leads to more withdrawal votes such as Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal , Poland and Sweden.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I have deemed this a satisfactory result. Any economic problems are utterly secondary to dismantling Social Humanism.

Who's the radical again?

Clearly not him. He's the rational one because to him money doesn't matter.

[The East Marches]

Wouldn't that be interesting. What would Ireland, Scotland, and Wales call themselves?

The Gaelic Republic? lol

My mistake on Wales, but I know both Northern Ireland and Scotland are talking referendums again.

Norn Iron won't happen but Scotland is a very real possibility.

[Novus America]

I'm an amusing kind of guy.

I mean, a word on those "money problems", the FTSE recovered something like half of its original value by the time Porky made his bacon.

But your pound to dollar value didn't. It went down from 1.48 to 1.33, and it has barely recovered back to 1.37.

I mean, I don't have a problem with my pocket. I'm in American soil. But just saying, saying "economic problems are secondary to the destruction of an ideology" tells me you don't care about money.

In all fairness it has been one day. That is not enough to make a determination from.

[Talvezout]

I don't think that's how it necessarily has to go down. Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales, all went Remain, I could see a scenario where they join up with Ireland as a backdoor way to stay in the EU. Northern Ireland seems like it might go that way anyway.

Wouldn't that be interesting. What would Ireland, Scotland, and Wales call themselves?

The United Kingdom of Shamrocks, Tartans and Sheep

Or more seriously, the United Kingdom. I mean, if I was in charge of all of this, I would coup that name away from England, given how it would just be them outside of the group.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

But your pound to dollar value didn't. It went down from 1.48 to 1.33, and it has barely recovered back to 1.37.

I mean, I don't have a problem with my pocket. I'm in American soil. But just saying, saying "economic problems are secondary to the destruction of an ideology" tells me you don't care about money.

In all fairness it has been one day. That is not enough to make a determination from.

Fair point, although I am not predicting it to go back to the same value it did before soon.