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Should the UK remain a member of the EU or leave the EU

Remain a member of the EU (UK citizen)
279
18%
Leave the EU (UK citizen)
207
13%
Remain a member of the EU (citizen of other EU member)
146
9%
Leave the EU (citizen of other EU member)
99
6%
Remain a member of the EU (non-EU citizen)
432
27%
Leave the EU (non-EU citizen)
414
26%
 
Total votes : 1577

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Postby Gauthier » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:56 pm

UED wrote:Brexit caused the pound to drop by 11% :(


THEY'RE OVERREACTING!
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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:56 pm

Le Pen is calling for a referendum in France.

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Postby Liriena » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:56 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Liriena wrote:Your self-proclaimed "esteemed advisor" explicitly said:
Currently every non-White country has the right to maintain their own historical majority ethnicities be it majority-black or majority-Asian. It's only white countries that are told they cannot do the same.


Have you forgotten the obscene amount of Stormfront copy-pasta threads we've seen employ that same argument over and over through the years?

This is the meme I referred to:
ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY! Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.


Now please, do go ahead and pretend that your SJW-bashing buddy did not just employ the same argument. I bloody dare you.


She did. What of it. The source of an argument is not an argument.

Wow.

And you agree? Has your hatred for SJWs gotten to the point where you are agreeing with the "anti-racist is code for anti-white" meme?
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Postby Yeldarid » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:56 pm

Thietsch wrote:
Conscentia wrote:
Remainers on suicide watch :^)


For me? Yes. Unemployed for over a year, and the areas I am most likely to go into are also those most likely to be impacted by Brexit, meaning I will have no job and no money, dependent on my family for support and no money for training for jobs. What future do I have? I am not being sarcastic.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:56 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Like Nihilist pointed out, 75% of brexit voters don't care about the economy. The vote was determined by people who are sick of multiculturalism and mass immigration.


Then have fun with seeing the results on your pocket.


If we don't bail out the banks, everything will go tits up! WOooOooOoOoOoOooOOoOhh.

Oh, and if you don't let us dictate to you all your economic policies and immigration policies (To hire cheap workers while mocking you for being lazy), everything will also go tits up. oOoOoOOoOOOoOoOh! Spooky scary skeletons!

Don't care. The rich and their savings can burn. The poor will do as we've always done and survive.
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Postby Valystria » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:56 pm

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Postby New Giliberafta » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:56 pm

Liriena wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
This is another example of just crying "THATS RACIST!" rather than having an argument.

Your self-proclaimed "esteemed advisor" explicitly said:
Currently every non-White country has the right to maintain their own historical majority ethnicities be it majority-black or majority-Asian. It's only white countries that are told they cannot do the same.


Have you forgotten the obscene amount of Stormfront copy-pasta threads we've seen employ that same argument over and over through the years?

This is the meme I referred to:
ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY! Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.


Now please, do go ahead and pretend that your SJW-bashing buddy did not just employ the same argument. I bloody dare you.

Im pretty sure this was also one of the reasons to justify segregation.
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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:56 pm

Ireland is going to release a statement soon. They apparently "don't seem happy".

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Postby Gauthier » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:56 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:If Ed Miliband became PM, this referendum never would have happened. Think about that.


Jo Cox would still be alive, too, probably.


Odds on the day of Cox's assassination becoming an informal holiday?
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Postby Trotskylvania » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:57 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
It might be out of touch for the people.

For those of us who are seeing the figures, it's really, really not.


Like Nihilist pointed out, 75% of brexit voters don't care about the economy. The vote was determined by people who are sick of multiculturalism and mass immigration.

Well, they clearly haven't paid attention to their history lessons, because Britain has always been multicultural. And in the modern era, it has always had pretty supportive of immigration. Kind of happens when you have a global empire.
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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:57 pm

Real estate companies are now predicting housing market transactions to drop 10-15%, with no recovery until 2018 at the earliest.

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Postby Yorkers » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:57 pm

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:
Thietsch wrote:I am going to be honest, and being fully serious here.


Leave wouldn't have been so toxic like Remain is right now. I guess that's what you get for having all the twenty year old SJW vote.

Conservatives give up bitterly. Look at the "second Hundred Years War"'s latter portion for a good example.
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No.


Do you think the same should happen to North America and Europe?
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Postby The Orson Empire » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:57 pm

Since I am an American, I'm not really familiar with the whole Brexit thing. What exactly are the consequences for Britain leaving the EU?

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Postby The Grim Reaper » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:58 pm

Yorkers wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
Yes, because clearly, dem dam sjws are white shaming while also supporting the repression of Tamils in Sri Lanka; the repression of the Rohingya in Myanmar; ethnic nationalism and pro-Imperial historical revisionism in Japan; ethnic nationalism in Malaysia; ethno-cultural nationalism in Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, and Korea; and the cultural imperialism in the PRC against the Uighur Muslims, the Tibetan Buddhists, and the ROC.

The problem is not that the SJWs are secretly supporting things like, say, the PRC oppressing SJW favourite the Dalai fucking Lama, or the Muslims in Myanmar or China. The problem is you don't give a fuck enough to know that there are a lot of fucking problems - like historical denialism - in ethnic nationalist holy grails like Japan, Singapore, and the PRC.


Do you believe that to combat ethnic nationalism in Japan, Signapore, and the PRC, they should have limitless immigration from Korea, Central Asia, Africa, Latin America, and the Philippines, to the point where ethnic Japanese and Chinese are reduced to a minority in those countries?


Emphatic Yes for Japan, tentative no for Singapore, maybe for the PRC. In all cases, I reject the idea that reducing immigration is at all necessary to preserve some invented culture - all three governments are notorious for trying really, really hard to create a facsimile of cultural cohesion to achieve political goals.

Japan needs the immigration anyway, but also needs to start promoting a culture that is a bit less overtly hostile to basically everyone they invaded in WWII under the guise of historical revisionism, as promoted by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's baes in Nippon Kaigi.

Singapore has a reasonably sized immigrant minority population already - the problem there is that the People's Action Party holds an autocratic deathgrip on domestic 'democracy' and does so with a largely nepotistic devotion to producing an elite that is in line with the culture Singapore wants to produce. Which happens to be a hardline 'globalized' (read: Chinese capitalist dominated) one, as manifest through the Speak Proper English campaign. They need more ethnic minorities in government.

The PRC's big problem is that they fucking hate ethnic minorities. With over a billion people, I don't see immigration even remotely making a dent in a political system that is designed to corral ethnic minorities into autonomous regions, and then occupy them militaristically through the guise of ostensibly civilian infrastructure. They need to stop holding ethnic minorities as separate, but "totally equal lol" and cut them loose or integrate them into the national political structure.
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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:58 pm

Phillip Hammond on Cameron: "He will remain prime minister and carry out the instructions of the British people"

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Postby Gauthier » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:58 pm

Freefall11111 wrote:Real estate companies are now predicting housing market transactions to drop 10-15%, with no recovery until 2018 at the earliest.


TEMPORARY.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:58 pm

UED wrote:Brexit caused the pound to drop by 11% :(


That's not the only thing that has fallen, to be honest.
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Postby Thietsch » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:58 pm

Yeldarid wrote:
Thietsch wrote:Remainers on suicide watch :^)


For me? Yes. Unemployed for over a year, and the areas I am most likely to go into are also those most likely to be impacted by Brexit, meaning I will have no job and no money, dependent on my family for support and no money for training for jobs. What future do I have? I am not being sarcastic.
Okay mate. I understand that you may feel this way now, but like their predictions for Remain winning with 54>% didn't come true, the economic effect won't be that bad in the long-run. I am sure that you will be able to make it through. At least I hope you will.

All my best wishes.

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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:58 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Like Nihilist pointed out, 75% of brexit voters don't care about the economy. The vote was determined by people who are sick of multiculturalism and mass immigration.


Then have fun with seeing the results on your pocket.

They'll have fun pillaging the rich's houses and mocking them. Typical uppity mob, to be honest./snobsarc
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Then have fun with seeing the results on your pocket.


If we don't bail out the banks, everything will go tits up! WOooOooOoOoOoOooOOoOhh.

Don't care. The rich and their savings can burn. The poor will do as we've always done and survive.

Naah, we'll just drag you along with our bayonetted rifles. It's what we've always done to survive.
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Postby Yorkers » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:58 pm

Freefall11111 wrote:Ireland is going to release a statement soon. They apparently "don't seem happy".


Heh. Fenians want a round 2?

:p
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:58 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Like Nihilist pointed out, 75% of brexit voters don't care about the economy. The vote was determined by people who are sick of multiculturalism and mass immigration.

Well, they clearly haven't paid attention to their history lessons, because Britain has always been multicultural. And in the modern era, it has always had pretty supportive of immigration. Kind of happens when you have a global empire.


That's a consequence of the hysterical members of the left deciding that all cultures are equal and to say otherwise is racist.
If they hadn't gone ballistic every time someone said "Islam is different, we're fine with hindus and sikhs, but not muslims" the people wouldn't have been forced into a "Okay fine, no immigrants at all" stance.
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Postby UED » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:58 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:Since I am an American, I'm not really familiar with the whole Brexit thing. What exactly are the consequences for Britain leaving the EU?


The investors will lose trust in the British market. This is unquestionable. The UK market for some time will seem dangerous for potential investors. Other stuff includes the shockingly devastating drop of the British Pound's value, which has reached its lowest since 1985.
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Postby Dushan » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:58 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Dushan wrote:
I got at least a Statement from German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier. Exclusively translated by Dushani News Network:


The News from Great Britain on this Morning are truely sobering. It seems like a sad Day for Europe and Great Britain."


Does DNN have the statement issued by Chancellor Merkel? As well, what is the generally feeling in Germany?


Not yet but we're watching closely the unfolding Situation. We'd expect though Statements in similar fashion and tone.

Certainly a the Leave Vote in the UK will be very bad News for the political Establishment in Berlin, the only Faction to rejoice would likely be the AfD. It's a devastating blow for Merkels policy, though the one or other might rejoice secretly that from now on the UK will no longer be able to stall various Projects as they did in the past.

The unpredictable consequences of the leave however, will likely overshadow those sentiments by large. And if theres anything Merkel, the Government and the Germans are afraid of then it is instability.
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:59 pm

Yorkers wrote:
The United Colonies of Earth wrote:Conservatives give up bitterly. Look at the "second Hundred Years War"'s latter portion for a good example.

No.


Do you think the same should happen to North America and Europe?

No.
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Postby Ralkovian Grand Island » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:59 pm

Parhe wrote:
Yorkers wrote:
Do you believe that to combat ethnic nationalism in Japan, Signapore, and the PRC, they should have limitless immigration from Korea, Central Asia, Africa, Latin America, and the Philippines, to the point where ethnic Japanese and Chinese are reduced to a minority in those countries?

Believer it or not, most Koreans don't want to move to Japan, Singapore, or the PRC.


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