The UK Referendum on Membership of the European Union

[The Twenty-first Reich]

Well, I have only once thing to say; if you English vote to leave, you will have accomplished De Gaulle's original will to keep the U.K out of the E.U.
So let me ask you now, are you really sure that you want to follow the design of the frenchiest of French?
You really should stay just to annoy us.

De Gaulle was perhaps a racist, but a brilliant leader. The US tried to assassinate the man after he left NATO and called the Americans imperialists. Fuck the US.

[The Twenty-first Reich]

Who talked of Proles? Regardless of class, ethnicity, sex, sexual orientation, number of toes, criminal record, people who aren't qualified to deal with these situations should have no say in them. Or it becomes an ideological shouting match.

Go ask a tribe of chimps what they think should happen and you'll pretty much have the same situation.

Wow you really are something. Do you have to go to Oxbridge or Eton? There is no set qualification to be a politician.

No, but if you are elected to represent people, you represent the people who have elected you. You don't divert questions to them. can u basik logik m8?

[Great Britain Out]

I agree that a lot of British politicians are not actually qualified to run the country, but British Politicians are a lot more qualified to control the UK than 28 people that have not been chosen by the people, cannot be removed, are not British and have no idea what happens in the UK, at a local or national level. At least our politicians are chosen by the people and can be removed if they do a crap job.

28 "people" backed by governments which have several thousand workers.

They weren't elected! No Government chose them! They were appointed. Even if as you say Governments back them or don't back them, there's no way for them to be removed.

[The Twenty-first Reich]

28 "people" backed by governments which have several thousand workers.

They weren't elected! No Government chose them! They were appointed. Even if as you say Governments back them or don't back them, there's no way for them to be removed.

Neither was the UK's ruler! Who will stay whether the UK leaves or doesn't.

[The Blaatschapen]

Ultimately, the UK should stay. It is better for Europe and better for them (I will expand on this later on, when I have more time {unless someone beats me to it})

However, we should stop the wishy-washy situation that we have now, where the UK is kind of in, but throws shitloads of hissy fits.

[Geilinor]

Well, I have only once thing to say; if you English vote to leave, you will have accomplished De Gaulle's original will to keep the U.K out of the E.U.
So let me ask you now, are you really sure that you want to follow the design of the frenchiest of French?
You really should stay just to annoy us.

De Gaulle was perhaps a racist, but a brilliant leader. The US tried to assassinate the man after he left NATO and called the Americans imperialists. Fuck the US.

When did the US try to assassinate De Gaulle?

[The Twenty-first Reich]

Ultimately, the UK should stay. It is better for Europe and better for them (I will expand on this later on, when I have more time {unless someone beats me to it})

However, we should stop the wishy-washy situation that we have now, where the UK is kind of in, but throws shitloads of hissy fits.

Dude, have you seen the smear campaign when they were blocked from applying? They went around insulting every country in the EU. Deserved a good spanking, not to be let in.

[Baltenstein]

De Gaulle was perhaps a racist, but a brilliant leader. The US tried to assassinate the man after he left NATO and called the Americans imperialists. Fuck the US.

When did the US try to assassinate De Gaulle?

Haven't you read Frederick Forsyth's "The Jackal"?

[Densaner]

Wow you really are something. Do you have to go to Oxbridge or Eton? There is no set qualification to be a politician.

No, but if you are elected to represent people, you represent the people who have elected you. You don't divert questions to them. can u basik logik m8?

Logic, you mean? So people should live under an elected dictatorship then? You forget our greatly qualified politicians put the issue to a vote in the first place. LOL

[The Twenty-first Reich]

De Gaulle was perhaps a racist, but a brilliant leader. The US tried to assassinate the man after he left NATO and called the Americans imperialists. Fuck the US.

When did the US try to assassinate De Gaulle?

About 30 times or so. There's a wikipedia page on all his assassinations, and they all mysteriously follow his public insult of the US and leaving of NATO.

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

28 "people" backed by governments which have several thousand workers.

They weren't elected! No Government chose them! They were appointed. Even if as you say Governments back them or don't back them, there's no way for them to be removed.

Excuse me, you are talking about the Commission, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ ... ppointment

"Following the election of the President, and the appointment of the High Representative by the European Council, each Commissioner is nominated by their member state (except for those states who provided the President and High Representative) in consultation with the Commission President, although he holds no hard power to force a change in candidate."

[Vassenor]

When did the US try to assassinate De Gaulle?

About 30 times or so. There's a wikipedia page on all his assassinations, and they all mysteriously follow his public insult of the US and leaving of NATO.

That's correlation, not necessarily causation.

[Alyakia]

Ultimately, the UK should stay. It is better for Europe and better for them (I will expand on this later on, when I have more time {unless someone beats me to it})

However, we should stop the wishy-washy situation that we have now, where the UK is kind of in, but throws shitloads of hissy fits.

Dude, have you seen the smear campaign when they were blocked from applying? They went around insulting every country in the EU. Deserved a good spanking, not to be let in.

"i didn't want to part of your dumb euro-club anyway!!!" -the UK

e: "i hate you EU! i hate you! i'm leaving!!! ...but we can still have special arrangements, right?"

basically we are super tsundere

[Great Britain Out]

No, not even the UK Government will rule the UK anymore if we decide to stay in the EU. Federalism of power is going to happen, regardless of a scam renegotiation slowing any transfer of powers down. The EU week by week, vote by vote, is taking power out of the various Governments of the EU and giving them to the EU Commission and the European Court of Justice. If we want to get back basic control of the Country, we have no choice but to leave. Simple as that.

[The Twenty-first Reich]

About 30 times or so. There's a wikipedia page on all his assassinations, and they all mysteriously follow his public insult of the US and leaving of NATO.

That's correlation, not necessarily causation.

Is it such a far-fetch? The US tried to kill Fidel Castro 638 times, succesfully killed Che Guevara, killed hundreds of other people, blackmailed Robert Oppenheimer.

[Densaner]

No, not even the UK Government will rule the UK anymore if we decide to stay in the EU. Federalism of power is going to happen, regardless of a scam renegotiation slowing any transfer of powers down. The EU week by week, vote by vote, is taking power out of the various Governments of the EU and giving them to the EU Commission and the European Court of Justice. If we want to get back basic control of the Country, we have no choice but to leave. Simple as that.

Exactly. Out now or out later. It's only a matter of time.

[Ifreann]

That's correlation, not necessarily causation.

Is it such a far-fetch? The US tried to kill Fidel Castro 638 times, succesfully killed Che Guevara, killed hundreds of other people, blackmailed Robert Oppenheimer.

You're basically making things up to smear the US in a thread about the UK and EU.

[The Twenty-first Reich]

Dude, have you seen the smear campaign when they were blocked from applying? They went around insulting every country in the EU. Deserved a good spanking, not to be let in.

"i didn't want to part of your dumb euro-club anyway!!!" -the UK

e: "i hate you EU! i hate you! i'm leaving!!! ...but we can still have special arrangements, right?"

basically we are super tsundere

Better than being Yandere

[The Twenty-first Reich]

Is it such a far-fetch? The US tried to kill Fidel Castro 638 times, succesfully killed Che Guevara, killed hundreds of other people, blackmailed Robert Oppenheimer.

You're basically making things up to smear the US in a thread about the UK and EU.

Fidel Castro: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassina ... del_Castro
Che Guevara was ambushed by US-backed Bolivians, can't be arsed to find the link
Robert Oppenheimer was blackmailed by the US to continue nuclear armament, his "communist" trial can be found when they tried to publicly humiliate him.

[Alyakia]

That's correlation, not necessarily causation.

Is it such a far-fetch? The US tried to kill Fidel Castro 638 times, succesfully killed Che Guevara, killed hundreds of other people, blackmailed Robert Oppenheimer.

i dunno man, you need a good source. i imagine algeria alone probably racks up about 10 of his assassination attempts.

[Vassenor]

Also I can only find reference to one assassination attempt on Wikipedia, and that was put down to a group aiming to halt Algerian independence.

[Great Britain Out]

They weren't elected! No Government chose them! They were appointed. Even if as you say Governments back them or don't back them, there's no way for them to be removed.

Excuse me, you are talking about the Commission, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ ... ppointment

"Following the election of the President, and the appointment of the High Representative by the European Council, each Commissioner is nominated by their member state (except for those states who provided the President and High Representative) in consultation with the Commission President, although he holds no hard power to force a change in candidate."

The key word there is 'nominated', no election takes place, the people aren't consulted first. Nobody in Britain knows who the British Commissioner is! These commissioners control more than 50% of UK law and they aren't elected, but nominated. Yes the president is elected by the EU Parliament, but they can only vote for one candidate! Hardly an election.

[Alyakia]

Excuse me, you are talking about the Commission, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ ... ppointment

"Following the election of the President, and the appointment of the High Representative by the European Council, each Commissioner is nominated by their member state (except for those states who provided the President and High Representative) in consultation with the Commission President, although he holds no hard power to force a change in candidate."

The key word there is 'nominated', no election takes place, the people aren't consulted first. Nobody in Britain knows who the British Commissioner is! These commissioners control more than 50% of UK law and they aren't elected, but nominated. Yes the president is elected by the EU Parliament, but they can only vote for one candidate! Hardly an election.

mate ever heard of the house of lords

[Geilinor]

Yes the president is elected by the EU Parliament, but they can only vote for one candidate! Hardly an election.

If that candidate is rejected, another one is nominated.

[Kaztropol]

More than a few people across the entirety of the EU, are not particularly happy about the EU as a political thing. The arguments about the refugees and so on have shown this.

The EU has a lot of flaws. It needs reform. The Greek financial crisis, the refugee crisis, the open borders/terrorism arguments, and other arguments have highlighted the problems.

If the UK votes to leave the EU, then, a lot of the other members might begin to question what exactly the EU is for, and unless things change, the whole thing could crumble.

Supposedly, Ms. Marine Le Pen may be in favour of France leaving the EU. FRANCE ! for god's sake ! If that's really the case, then the EU has no future.

So, my view is, that if the UK stays, it could be the catalyst for reform that would make the EU into an institution that genuinely benefits the 300m or so citizens of the entire EU. If the UK leaves, then the whole thing could start crumbling and dissolve in acrimony, causing an outbreak of history that Europe had thought itself cured of. The Far Right parties seem on the march once more across Europe, and I think a UK exit would bolster them.