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Postby Al-Portug » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:53 pm

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Postby Gauthier » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:11 am

Al-Portug wrote:wtf


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Postby Aethrys » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:31 am

Meh. Seems more likely to decrease violence against women. Prostitutes will probably be largely supplanted by robots, and I imagine porn studios will likely follow suit as the technology improves and becomes financially sensible. A niche market for real women will probably continue to exist, but robots will take over most jobs in the industry, like virtually every other.
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Postby Royal Denmark » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:36 am

Have fleshlights been mentioned, it doesnt look like it, but I should assume nobody cares. I mean, they mean as much to me as vibrators.(I own both and hardly regret it, because like someone great above me once said, "I think of them like my best friends, they give me a break.")

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:24 pm

Chessmistress wrote:That isn't an "appeal to authority", it's just highlighting that such idea, that many of you seems so ready to ridiculize, is supported by people who actually are professors and senior researchers within universities.
That does NOT make it automatically right, of course, but it should be enough to take it seriously, without dismissing it so easily. saying "it's just spewing ridiculousness".


Nope. It's ridiculous. It's a classic example of someone in a position to know better, still saying stupid stuff. Like Elon Musk and his (probably faked) conviction that we're imminently facing a robot apocalypse.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:29 pm

Chessmistress wrote:That isn't an "appeal to authority", it's just highlighting that such idea, that many of you seems so ready to ridiculize, is supported by people who actually are professors and senior researchers within universities.
That does NOT make it automatically right, of course, but it should be enough to take it seriously, without dismissing it so easily. saying "it's just spewing ridiculousness".


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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:35 pm

Chessmistress wrote:It isn't simply a degree.
Kathleen Richardson is an expert in ethics of robots, at a very high level, also part of this project http://www.dream2020.eu/
That doesn't mean she's right, but it's far away from "ridicolous".

Honestly, I think that many people here are so prone to ridiculise this effort towards gender equality just because the majority of people here are young males, not because it sounds ridicolous, but just because it somewhat hurts them.
Personally I think that doctor Kathleen Richardson is a good example about why we need to have more women in STEM: it's not just a matter of fairness but even, and even more, a matter of having a different way of thinking about some issues.


Hun. I'm a woman, and I think your ideas are fucking insane. Nice job applying a sweeping generalisation, and being condescending. You're not worth the time.

Honestly, I think that many people here are so prone to ridiculise this effort towards gender equality just because the majority of people here are young males, not because it sounds ridicolous, but just because it somewhat hurts them.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:38 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:It isn't simply a degree.
Kathleen Richardson is an expert in ethics of robots, at a very high level, also part of this project http://www.dream2020.eu/
That doesn't mean she's right, but it's far away from "ridicolous".

Honestly, I think that many people here are so prone to ridiculise this effort towards gender equality just because the majority of people here are young males, not because it sounds ridicolous, but just because it somewhat hurts them.
Personally I think that doctor Kathleen Richardson is a good example about why we need to have more women in STEM: it's not just a matter of fairness but even, and even more, a matter of having a different way of thinking about some issues.


Hun. I'm a woman, and I think your ideas are fucking insane. Nice job applying a sweeping generalisation, and being condescending. You're not worth the time.


Truth be told, getting riled up over sex bots is rather ridiculous. If she tells me she's worried about the state of women in India or China. Or marital abuse in the Middle East, or gendercide in Southern Asia, then yes, I would definitely back her on her points because those are actually important. But she's complaining about an inanimate object. This is bullshit, really.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:44 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
Hun. I'm a woman, and I think your ideas are fucking insane. Nice job applying a sweeping generalisation, and being condescending. You're not worth the time.


Truth be told, getting riled up over sex bots is rather ridiculous. If she tells me she's worried about the state of women in India or China. Or marital abuse in the Middle East, or gendercide in Southern Asia, then yes, I would definitely back her on her points because those are actually important. But she's complaining about an inanimate object. This is bullshit, really.


Where's the outrage over the 70,000 Native American women who were forced or manipulated into being sterilised and dropping Native American birth rates from 3.8 to 1.2 in the 1970s? I whole heartedly agree with you. This thread isn't worth the waste of space, it's a shit discussion over a shit topic. It's impossible to debate with someone who does the equivalent of sticking their fingers in their ears, and about the only thing I'd find more entertaining than this is bashing my head in the wall to rejolt my braincells.

Not only that, but the "solutions" presented are so laughably misandrist that it astonishes me such people exist who could honestly thing this is such a good idea. If we're going to ban sex robots, then I'm going to have to go and throw my vibrators out for "harming men", but oh no, that's not being advocated for. It's bullshit.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:53 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Truth be told, getting riled up over sex bots is rather ridiculous. If she tells me she's worried about the state of women in India or China. Or marital abuse in the Middle East, or gendercide in Southern Asia, then yes, I would definitely back her on her points because those are actually important. But she's complaining about an inanimate object. This is bullshit, really.


Where's the outrage over the 70,000 Native American women who were forced or manipulated into being sterilised and dropping Native American birth rates from 3.8 to 1.2 in the 1970s? I whole heartedly agree with you. This thread isn't worth the waste of space, it's a shit discussion over a shit topic. It's impossible to debate with someone who does the equivalent of sticking their fingers in their ears, and about the only thing I'd find more entertaining than this is bashing my head in the wall to rejolt my braincells.

Not only that, but the "solutions" presented are so laughably misandrist that it astonishes me such people exist who could honestly thing this is such a good idea. If we're going to ban sex robots, then I'm going to have to go and throw my vibrators out for "harming men", but oh no, that's not being advocated for. It's bullshit.


It is indeed quite misandrist. It's actually supremacist in a way.

I think feminism has better things to do, or should have better things to do than engaging in a bitching spell about something that is, really, a non-issue. Lets focus on actual worthy issues.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:57 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
Where's the outrage over the 70,000 Native American women who were forced or manipulated into being sterilised and dropping Native American birth rates from 3.8 to 1.2 in the 1970s? I whole heartedly agree with you. This thread isn't worth the waste of space, it's a shit discussion over a shit topic. It's impossible to debate with someone who does the equivalent of sticking their fingers in their ears, and about the only thing I'd find more entertaining than this is bashing my head in the wall to rejolt my braincells.

Not only that, but the "solutions" presented are so laughably misandrist that it astonishes me such people exist who could honestly thing this is such a good idea. If we're going to ban sex robots, then I'm going to have to go and throw my vibrators out for "harming men", but oh no, that's not being advocated for. It's bullshit.


It is indeed quite misandrist. It's actually supremacist in a way.

I think feminism has better things to do, or should have better things to do than engaging in a bitching spell about something that is, really, a non-issue. Lets focus on actual worthy issues.


The Radfem movement is the worst thing to ever happen to the Feminist movement. It has entirely defaced feminists and spawned reactionary groups because of their absolute batshit motivations.

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:18 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:It is indeed quite misandrist. It's actually supremacist in a way.

I think feminism has better things to do, or should have better things to do than engaging in a bitching spell about something that is, really, a non-issue. Lets focus on actual worthy issues.

The Radfem movement is the worst thing to ever happen to the Feminist movement. It has entirely defaced feminists and spawned reactionary groups because of their absolute batshit motivations.

As with so many things on the internet, I often wonder if it is just some kind of outrageous parody.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:37 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:The Radfem movement is the worst thing to ever happen to the Feminist movement. It has entirely defaced feminists and spawned reactionary groups because of their absolute batshit motivations.

As with so many things on the internet, I often wonder if it is just some kind of outrageous parody.


It's honestly damn hard to tell.

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Postby Crysuko » Thu Mar 03, 2016 6:15 pm

I really don't see any connection between sex robots and threats to gender equality.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Mar 03, 2016 6:49 pm

Crysuko wrote:I really don't see any connection between sex robots and threats to gender equality.


That's because you're really a sex robot infiltrator.
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Postby Korhal IVV » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:00 pm

UniversalCommons wrote:Sex robots would be a means to keep population size under control and could be beneficial. Also, people constantly talk about pornography being terrible. Pornography is a substitute for prostitution. Sex trafficking is far worse than watching videos of sex. Reducing prostitution also reduces disease and unwanted complications. In the bad old days, there used to be a lot more houses of ill repute around to service mainly men. A sex robot could also reduce the general need for prostitution and abuse of women. It would be an easily identifiable fantasy experience.

It carries over to rl...
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:03 pm

Korhal IVV wrote:
UniversalCommons wrote:Sex robots would be a means to keep population size under control and could be beneficial. Also, people constantly talk about pornography being terrible. Pornography is a substitute for prostitution. Sex trafficking is far worse than watching videos of sex. Reducing prostitution also reduces disease and unwanted complications. In the bad old days, there used to be a lot more houses of ill repute around to service mainly men. A sex robot could also reduce the general need for prostitution and abuse of women. It would be an easily identifiable fantasy experience.

It carries over to rl...


Like how video game violence translates to RL violence?
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Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Korhal IVV wrote:It carries over to rl...


Like how video game violence translates to RL violence?


You think the drone pilots are all Air Force?
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Postby Korhal IVV » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:08 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Korhal IVV wrote:It carries over to rl...


Like how video game violence translates to RL violence?

Excessive bloody gore makes them numb and insensitive towards violence. People who watch p*** are more likely to look at women with lust.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:09 pm

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Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Like how video game violence translates to RL violence?


You think the drone pilots are all Air Force?


How does that have anything to do with what I posted, the post I was quoting, or the thread as a whole?

I was highlighting his flawed logic by referencing the old myth that playing violent video games made people more violent.
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Postby Korhal IVV » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:10 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
You think the drone pilots are all Air Force?


How does that have anything to do with what I posted, the post I was quoting, or the thread as a whole?

I was highlighting his flawed logic by referencing the old myth that playing violent video games made people more violent.

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Postby Gauthier » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:12 pm

Korhal IVV wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
How does that have anything to do with what I posted, the post I was quoting, or the thread as a whole?

I was highlighting his flawed logic by referencing the old myth that playing violent video games made people more violent.

Mortal Kombat teaches you everything about human anatomy and nothing about spelling


Hey, who doesn't want to see a kid win a spelling bee with a Fatality?
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:13 pm

Korhal IVV wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Like how video game violence translates to RL violence?

Excessive bloody gore makes them numb and insensitive towards violence. People who watch p*** are more likely to look at women with lust.


Have any proof to back up your claims?

Korhal IVV wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
How does that have anything to do with what I posted, the post I was quoting, or the thread as a whole?

I was highlighting his flawed logic by referencing the old myth that playing violent video games made people more violent.

Mortal Kombat teaches you everything about human anatomy and nothing about spelling


And a Grammer Nazi to boot...well ain't tat luvley eigh govnna? :p
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Postby Talanis Collective » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:28 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:The Radfem movement is the worst thing to ever happen to the Feminist movement. It has entirely defaced feminists and spawned reactionary groups because of their absolute batshit motivations.

As with so many things on the internet, I often wonder if it is just some kind of outrageous parody.

As a bit of a conspiracy theorist, it actually occured to me that the more radical end of feminism that has gotten so popular recently is actually a creation of rich, powerful men seeking to derail and delay a shift in the power structure. It simultaneously splits the support by dividing the movement, and creates a vocal opposition to feminist attitudes in general as a reaction to the extreme and often absurd positions of the radicals. It essentially does toward the whole of feminism what the extremist groups do to Islam. By essentially being a hyperbolic version of itself, the radical branch greatly weakens the basic tenents.

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Postby Gauthier » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:32 pm

Talanis Collective wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:As with so many things on the internet, I often wonder if it is just some kind of outrageous parody.

As a bit of a conspiracy theorist, it actually occured to me that the more radical end of feminism that has gotten so popular recently is actually a creation of rich, powerful men seeking to derail and delay a shift in the power structure. It simultaneously splits the support by dividing the movement, and creates a vocal opposition to feminist attitudes in general as a reaction to the extreme and often absurd positions of the radicals. It essentially does toward the whole of feminism what the extremist groups do to Islam. By essentially being a hyperbolic version of itself, the radical branch greatly weakens the basic tenents.


To the point where they hope public sentiment demand Real Women Make Sammiches and Suck Dicks in the kitchen.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
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If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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