Sex robots: a threat to gender equality?

[Hirota]

First: the thread is serious,

We know you think it is.

[Liberphone]

You realise that not all robots are shaped like women right?
You're also aware that sex robots can be shaped like men as well?
Would you also wish to ban male shaped sex robots?

Yes.
I also realise you didn't bother to read the OP.
Again
http://campaignagainstsexrobots.org/201 ... -of-women/

There is of course another very important side to this argument that concerns the creation of male sex robots for the use of women, and the homosexual use of sex robots, which are essential layers to this debate to be discussed. Men, women and children all have a right to have their subjectivity recognised and should not be presented as a ‘thing’ to be used, discriminated against, or coerced.

However, what cannot be denied is that sex robots, like most of the technology we use today, have predominantly been designed and created by men and with male users in mind. At present the technology industry is undeniably male dominated. This is a fact visible from the top down, from workers and investors, to owners and creators.

Men are also the main users and buyers of pornography and prostituted persons.

This has resulted in sex robots being modelled on the appearance of porn stars and prostitutes and consequently inheriting the same roles.

Wait, what?

Sex toys, aka dildos and fleshlights, are not mentioned.
The issue is about sex robots, just only sex robots.
Gail Dines is NOT a political lesbian.
I don't know if Lydia Kaye is a political lesbian, I guess she isn't: her other articles seems to be strongly focused on heterosexuality.

What is a political lesbian?

[Esternial]

I originally thought this thread was a joke. It hurt me when I found out the harsh truth.

No, they aren't.

Wait, is this serious?
The whole point of sex robots are that.... well.... they are robots, not people, they are not objectified as they are well.... literally objects :eyebrow:
In fact, it might help DECREASE sexual violence perhaps, because more people would be able to have sex whenever they want with convincing replicas of the real thing.

Plus, on top of that, banning something which causes to harm to any individual is wrong, and sex bots do not harm anyone.

First: the thread is serious, it's not a joke. You have just to read the link provided in OP to understand it's serious.
Second: I know robots are objects, but since such robots would be shaped EXACTLY like a woman, their users would be VERY encourage to see (and to treat!) women as objects. That's the whole point of Lydia Kaye
http://campaignagainstsexrobots.org/201 ... -of-women/

Anti-pornography scholar Gail Dines argues that the dominant images and stories distributed by the porn industry promote and legitimise a gender system that undermines equality and encourages violence against women. Pornographers exploit the degradation of the female body. These often extreme and violent images lead to distorted notions of sex and relationships.

The creation of sex robots would make these images and relations viewed in porn tangible to the viewer by putting a faux female sex worker in front of them. The sex robot will be used by its owner in the same way women are used in pornography. Due to the humanlike appearance of the sex robot, the concern is that the user will begin to see sex with robots and sex with humans as an interchangeable physical act. This would result in the same sexual objectification present in porn and sex work ultimately penetrating human relationships and human sex.

Sex robots will create another means through which women will be presented as objects to be used for sexual gratification and mistreatment. They will also desensitise humans to intimacy and empathy, which can only be developed through experiencing human interaction and mutual consenting relationships.

Gail Dines is a very famous Feminist scholar
http://gaildines.com/

Dr. Gail Dines is a professor of sociology and women’s studies at Wheelock College in Boston, an internationally acclaimed speaker, author, and a feminist public intellectual.

I very much understand these concerns.

Have there been any studies on the subject?

[Chessmistress]

What is a political lesbian?

That's OT.
However: a political lesbian is a woman who willingly choose to not have sex with men.
Usually it's not about having sex with other women, it's just about not having sex with men, and being celibate.

More here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_lesbianism

[Liberphone]

What is a political lesbian?

That's OT.
However: a political lesbian is a woman who willingly choose to not have sex with men.
Usually it's not about having sex with other women, it's just about not having sex with men, and being celibate.

More here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_lesbianism

This makes very little sense.

Wouldn't this just be celibate?

[Stolen Idol]

Sex machines exist already and are marketed towards women over men. However, their main buyer is the porn industry.
According to. The OP the problem is you don't want to connect women with sex machines.
So, if the sex machines were not made to appear human or female. That would make them completely inoffensive to women. Correct?

[Chessmistress]

First: the thread is serious, it's not a joke. You have just to read the link provided in OP to understand it's serious.
Second: I know robots are objects, but since such robots would be shaped EXACTLY like a woman, their users would be VERY encourage to see (and to treat!) women as objects. That's the whole point of Lydia Kaye
http://campaignagainstsexrobots.org/201 ... -of-women/



Gail Dines is a very famous Feminist scholar
http://gaildines.com/

I very much understand these concerns.

Have there been any studies on the subject?

As far as I know there aren't studies about sex robots, but the theory is the same that is applied to prostitution and pornography, because, in fact, it's the very same issue.
There are a lot of such studies about prostitution, and countless studies about the damages of pornography, and about the fact that pornography encourages bad attitudes and behaviors towards women - this is a central tenet in Radical Feminism and even, partially, in mainstream feminism - this is Gloria Steinem, the most important Feminist in USA - Gloria Steinem is NOT a Radical Feminist, she's THE mainstream feminism in USA (she's actually supporting Hillary Clinton, among other things)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_St ... ornography

"Blatant or subtle, pornography involves no equal power or mutuality. In fact, much of the tension and drama comes from the clear idea that one person is dominating the other."[20]:219[107] On the issue of same-sex pornography, Steinem asserts, "Whatever the gender of the participants, all pornography including male-male gay pornography is an imitation of the male-female, conqueror-victim paradigm, and almost all of it actually portrays or implies enslaved women and master."

There's even her VERY famous quote:

"A woman reading Playboy feels a little like a Jew reading a nazi manual"

[Chessmistress]

Sex machines exist already and are marketed towards women over men. However, their main buyer is the porn industry.
According to. The OP the problem is you don't want to connect women with sex machines.
So, if the sex machines were not made to appear human or female. That would make them completely inoffensive to women. Correct?

Exactly.
A robot with a shape totally different from a woman wouldn't be a problem, I suppose.

[Vathaera]

:palm:

Keep focusing on the pressing issues of our time, CM.

Is there anything in society that doesn't supposedly increase or encourage violence towards women according to radical feminists? I don't agree that these robots would have such an effect, the argument is very weak and if anything giving people an outlet for their sexual needs might help to reduce incidences of rape and violence. Who do you think you are kidding Captain Ludd?

Agreed. They are just objects, an outlet. However, should licences be made for these? If violent/unstable people 'practice' on these, can we stop it?

[Esternial]

I very much understand these concerns.

Have there been any studies on the subject?

As far as I know there aren't studies about sex robots, but the theory is the same that is applied to prostitution and pornography, because, in fact, it's the very same issue.
There are a lot of such studies about prostitution, and countless studies about the damages of pornography, and about the fact that pornography encourages bad attitudes and behaviors towards women - this is a central tenet in Radical Feminism and even, partially, in mainstream feminism - this is Gloria Steinem, the most important Feminist in USA - Gloria Steinem is NOT a Radical Feminist, she's THE mainstream feminism in USA (she's actually supporting Hillary Clinton, among other things)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_St ... ornography

"Blatant or subtle, pornography involves no equal power or mutuality. In fact, much of the tension and drama comes from the clear idea that one person is dominating the other."[20]:219[107] On the issue of same-sex pornography, Steinem asserts, "Whatever the gender of the participants, all pornography including male-male gay pornography is an imitation of the male-female, conqueror-victim paradigm, and almost all of it actually portrays or implies enslaved women and master."

There's even her VERY famous quote:

"A woman reading Playboy feels a little like a Jew reading a nazi manual"

It's somewhat off-topic, but I do have to wonder what effect the absence of pornography would have. In our current situation it's easy to highlight what's wrong, but that doesn't immediately mean that removing it would improve things. I'm sure it would address some problems, but in its wake it might create new problems, wouldn't you agree?

[Liberphone]

I very much understand these concerns.

Have there been any studies on the subject?

As far as I know there aren't studies about sex robots, but the theory is the same that is applied to prostitution and pornography, because, in fact, it's the very same issue.
There are a lot of such studies about prostitution, and countless studies about the damages of pornography, and about the fact that pornography encourages bad attitudes and behaviors towards women - this is a central tenet in Radical Feminism and even, partially, in mainstream feminism - this is Gloria Steinem, the most important Feminist in USA - Gloria Steinem is NOT a Radical Feminist, she's THE mainstream feminism in USA (she's actually supporting Hillary Clinton, among other things)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_St ... ornography

"Blatant or subtle, pornography involves no equal power or mutuality. In fact, much of the tension and drama comes from the clear idea that one person is dominating the other."[20]:219[107] On the issue of same-sex pornography, Steinem asserts, "Whatever the gender of the participants, all pornography including male-male gay pornography is an imitation of the male-female, conqueror-victim paradigm, and almost all of it actually portrays or implies enslaved women and master."

There's even her VERY famous quote:

"A woman reading Playboy feels a little like a Jew reading a nazi manual"

To be blunt, your source sounds illogical. Gay men porn is bad for women because it imitates heterosexual porn. Heterosexual porn is bad because it is about a man dominating a woman. This is rather nonsensical. No.

Pleasuring ones self is not the same as genocide.

[Vathaera]

Sex machines exist already and are marketed towards women over men. However, their main buyer is the porn industry.
According to. The OP the problem is you don't want to connect women with sex machines.
So, if the sex machines were not made to appear human or female. That would make them completely inoffensive to women. Correct?

Exactly.
A robot with a shape totally different from a woman wouldn't be a problem, I suppose.

who would buy something like that? if it doesn't turn the general consumer of the product on, what is the purpose?

[The Blaatschapen]

Pleasuring ones self is not the same as genocide.

But... but...

Every sperm is sacred

[Liberphone]

Famous source =/= accurate or trustworthy source.

[Liberphone]

Pleasuring ones self is not the same as genocide.

But... but...

Every sperm is sacred

Freeze them.

[Frenline Delpha]

I very much understand these concerns.

Have there been any studies on the subject?

As far as I know there aren't studies about sex robots, but the theory is the same that is applied to prostitution and pornography, because, in fact, it's the very same issue.
There are a lot of such studies about prostitution, and countless studies about the damages of pornography, and about the fact that pornography encourages bad attitudes and behaviors towards women - this is a central tenet in Radical Feminism and even, partially, in mainstream feminism - this is Gloria Steinem, the most important Feminist in USA - Gloria Steinem is NOT a Radical Feminist, she's THE mainstream feminism in USA (she's actually supporting Hillary Clinton, among other things)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_St ... ornography

"Blatant or subtle, pornography involves no equal power or mutuality. In fact, much of the tension and drama comes from the clear idea that one person is dominating the other."[20]:219[107] On the issue of same-sex pornography, Steinem asserts, "Whatever the gender of the participants, all pornography including male-male gay pornography is an imitation of the male-female, conqueror-victim paradigm, and almost all of it actually portrays or implies enslaved women and master."

There's even her VERY famous quote:

"A woman reading Playboy feels a little like a Jew reading a nazi manual"

I am so glad one woman can speak for evey woman on planet Earth. This is why Feminaziism fails.

[Hurdegaryp]

But... but...

Every sperm is sacred

Freeze them.

Or use the precious seed as an alternative for eggwhite in the kitchen.

[Liberphone]

Freeze them.

Or use the precious seed as an alternative for eggwhite in the kitchen.

That works.

[Hurdegaryp]

Or use the precious seed as an alternative for eggwhite in the kitchen.

That works.

I don't know if it's allowed in vegan recipes, though.

[Frenline Delpha]

As far as I know there aren't studies about sex robots, but the theory is the same that is applied to prostitution and pornography, because, in fact, it's the very same issue.
There are a lot of such studies about prostitution, and countless studies about the damages of pornography, and about the fact that pornography encourages bad attitudes and behaviors towards women - this is a central tenet in Radical Feminism and even, partially, in mainstream feminism - this is Gloria Steinem, the most important Feminist in USA - Gloria Steinem is NOT a Radical Feminist, she's THE mainstream feminism in USA (she's actually supporting Hillary Clinton, among other things)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_St ... ornography


There's even her VERY famous quote:

It's somewhat off-topic, but I do have to wonder what effect the absence of pornography would have. In our current situation it's easy to highlight what's wrong, but that doesn't immediately mean that removing it would improve things. I'm sure it would address some problems, but in its wake it might create new problems, wouldn't you agree?

Saying that porn increases violence against women is like saying that a sane person playing GTA is more likely to commit a violent crime. They're both fantasy, and any sane person can see that.

[Liberphone]

That works.

I don't know if it's allowed in vegan recipes, though.

I doubt it.

Though, no animal suffers...

[Gauthier]

Freeze them.

Or use the precious seed as an alternative for eggwhite in the kitchen.

Recipe for spooge cake at Food Network.

[Gauthier]

As far as I know there aren't studies about sex robots, but the theory is the same that is applied to prostitution and pornography, because, in fact, it's the very same issue.
There are a lot of such studies about prostitution, and countless studies about the damages of pornography, and about the fact that pornography encourages bad attitudes and behaviors towards women - this is a central tenet in Radical Feminism and even, partially, in mainstream feminism - this is Gloria Steinem, the most important Feminist in USA - Gloria Steinem is NOT a Radical Feminist, she's THE mainstream feminism in USA (she's actually supporting Hillary Clinton, among other things)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_St ... ornography


There's even her VERY famous quote:

It's somewhat off-topic, but I do have to wonder what effect the absence of pornography would have. In our current situation it's easy to highlight what's wrong, but that doesn't immediately mean that removing it would improve things. I'm sure it would address some problems, but in its wake it might create new problems, wouldn't you agree?

Prohibition always ends up creating a thriving black market.

[Modern Skaaneland]

It's somewhat off-topic, but I do have to wonder what effect the absence of pornography would have. In our current situation it's easy to highlight what's wrong, but that doesn't immediately mean that removing it would improve things. I'm sure it would address some problems, but in its wake it might create new problems, wouldn't you agree?

Saying that porn increases violence against women is like saying that a sane person playing GTA is more likely to commit a violent crime. They're both fantasy, and any sane person can see that.

It's actually not the same. The same would be saying that porn increases "sex against women". Luckily that phrase isn't yet quite commonplace. People still tend to use the phrase "sex with women", which basically means that although feminists are still trying to incriminate male sexuality they haven't reached quite as far on that area as the repression we currently have in place against male agression. Both of these are extremely damaging when targeting innocent people who's done nothing wrong, but I suppose we should hold tight to every little straw we still have on this hell of a feminist planet.

[Esternial]

It's somewhat off-topic, but I do have to wonder what effect the absence of pornography would have. In our current situation it's easy to highlight what's wrong, but that doesn't immediately mean that removing it would improve things. I'm sure it would address some problems, but in its wake it might create new problems, wouldn't you agree?

Saying that porn increases violence against women is like saying that a sane person playing GTA is more likely to commit a violent crime. They're both fantasy, and any sane person can see that.

Weeeeeeellll, good thing I never said that, champ.