Sex robots: a threat to gender equality?

[Fartsniffage]

i just realized i desperately want to see the code for a sex robot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YzSHIYxdRs

It probably runs linux:

unzip; strip; touch; grep; finger; mount; fsck; more; yes; umount; sleep

[AiliailiA]

All these alleged "threats to gender equality" make me want to slam my head into a wall repeatedly until I lose consciousness. They are destroying the idea of the feminist movement and are making all of us feminists look like complete and utter loons.

That's the whole point of the straw account. "Chessmistress." A real subtle name, no?

Well I asked Chessmistress by TG whether she plays chess. She said yes, but when I tried to arrange a game she wasn't interested.

It IS a rather subtle name actually. Chess rankings use the term "master" in both the women's and men's leagues. It's "master", "national master", "international master", "grandmaster" ... and in the women's league it's "woman master", "national woman master" etc.

Women are allowed to play in the men's league. Currently the highest rated FIDE player who is a woman is Grandmaster Yifan Hou, who is 70th in the men's rankings.

Maybe "mistress" has some other connotations for you, and maybe you don't play chess.

But for me, I find it intriguing that there may be some other kind of chess, in which women have a natural advantage and distinguished male players have to accept the title mistress, national mistress, international mistress or grandmistress.

Anyway, you can't complain that a player has used a "straw account" to deceive, if they put their main in the first line of their sig.

[New Benian Republic]

Why can't we all just fuck robots and people, maybe even at the same time.

the problem is what when the robots start fucking the people? what then?

we tried to warn you

Then we make cyborg babies because they'll be able to have children and women will be obsolete mwahaha

[Lady Scylla]

That's the whole point of the straw account. "Chessmistress." A real subtle name, no?

Well I asked Chessmistress by TG whether she plays chess. She said yes, but when I tried to arrange a game she wasn't interested.

It IS a rather subtle name actually. Chess rankings use the term "master" in both the women's and men's leagues. It's "master", "national master", "international master", "grandmaster" ... and in the women's league it's "woman master", "national woman master" etc.

Women are allowed to play in the men's league. Currently the highest rated FIDE player who is a woman is Grandmaster Yifan Hou, who is 70th in the men's rankings.

Maybe "mistress" has some other connotations for you, and maybe you don't play chess.

But for me, I find it intriguing that there may be some other kind of chess, in which women have a natural advantage and distinguished male players have to accept the title mistress, national mistress, international mistress or grandmistress.

Anyway, you can't complain that a player has used a "straw account" to deceive, if they put their main in the first line of their sig.

Most likely it's more of a reference to how she sees herself. Chess would imply the illusion of debating, akin to a "chess game". Arguments are moves on a board, with ultimately the goal to put the opponent in "checkmate". Whereas the Mistress part (chosen over Master to signify importance on the female aspect of the term) is a conscious reinforcement of self-confidence and authority, as a sort of reminder to empower and boost one's self-esteem.

[Hurdegaryp]

Well I asked Chessmistress by TG whether she plays chess. She said yes, but when I tried to arrange a game she wasn't interested.

It IS a rather subtle name actually. Chess rankings use the term "master" in both the women's and men's leagues. It's "master", "national master", "international master", "grandmaster" ... and in the women's league it's "woman master", "national woman master" etc.

Women are allowed to play in the men's league. Currently the highest rated FIDE player who is a woman is Grandmaster Yifan Hou, who is 70th in the men's rankings.

Maybe "mistress" has some other connotations for you, and maybe you don't play chess.

But for me, I find it intriguing that there may be some other kind of chess, in which women have a natural advantage and distinguished male players have to accept the title mistress, national mistress, international mistress or grandmistress.

Anyway, you can't complain that a player has used a "straw account" to deceive, if they put their main in the first line of their sig.

Most likely it's more of a reference to how she sees herself. Chess would imply the illusion of debating, akin to a "chess game". Arguments are moves on a board, with ultimately the goal to put the opponent in "checkmate". Whereas the Mistress part (chosen over Master to signify importance on the female aspect of the term) is a conscious reinforcement of self-confidence and authority, as a sort of reminder to empower and boost one's self-esteem.

That's one way to market yourself, but we all know that marketing is equal parts smoke, mirrors and blatant lies.

[Hirota]

Shocking - the self described Radfem is a delusional narcissist.

Alas, this isn't a CM chat thread, and even talking about how daft they are isn't going to do anything but reinforce that narcissism.

I'm seeing parallels between the coalition against sex robots as rather akin to those who thought rap music or video games made kids more violent, or how television will lead to the disintegration of society - all were adorably clueless.

[Napkiraly]

To be fair, the more that are produced the cheaper it would become.

True. But then again, who'd want to bang a machine rather than the real thing, given the choice?

Well better than your hand in between relationships, I would reckon.

[Chessmistress]

By your logic we should ban dildo's since clearly it's indicating that dicks are nothing but objects that can be bought and sold.

Straw gynosupremacist logic dictates dildoes are okay, but fleshlights objectify women so they should be banned.

I already criticised the dildos as objectification of men.
I didn't know "fleshlights" until this message, and I checked it. Disgusting.
Dildos = fleshlights. Already widespread and allowed.
Unrelated with sex robots.
Move on.

So apparently gender equality is in danger because women would be rendered obsolete because men would have sex with inanimate objects instead of with women. And here I was thinking like a fool that men could have sex with other men. Let's also ban masturbation and cut off everybody's hands while we're at it, why don't we?

The argument of dr. Richardson and her supporters is not about such strawman, is about that men abusing of inanimate objects shaped as women and almost identical to a real woman would encourage sexist and even violent behavior towards real women.

[Fartsniffage]

The argument of dr. Richardson and her supporters is not about such strawman, is about that men abusing of inanimate objects shaped as women and almost identical to a real woman would encourage sexist and even violent behavior towards real women.

But you're yet to address the point that this argument is the same as the argument used by those who try to ban violent video games.

[Daffyflippingduck]

Literally the first step to stripping women of all rights.

[Chessmistress]

The argument of dr. Richardson and her supporters is not about such strawman, is about that men abusing of inanimate objects shaped as women and almost identical to a real woman would encourage sexist and even violent behavior towards real women.

But you're yet to address the point that this argument is the same as the argument used by those who try to ban violent video games.

It's a different kind of violence: violence in a videogame is purely virtual, violence on a sex robot would be on the physical level, in real world.
Also: the fact that sexism in videogames and even in virtual assistants (again: a pure virtual environment) encourages sexism in real life is already know,
http://time.com/48123/microsofts-cortan ... reotyping/
and even Microsoft is trying to address it - indeed it seems that the servers of Microsoft already recorded a lot of sexism and harassment towards Cortana, and that shows a very precise attitude
http://laverne.edu/campus-times/2016/02 ... arassment/

People should not stand for sexual harassment. Now neither will Microsoft’s personal digital assistant Cortana.

A team of program writers has given “her” the ability to respond and shut down any inappropriate or suggestive comments from users.

Deborah Harrison, one of the eight writers in the U.S. Cortana division at Microsoft, told CNN that when Cortana was first launched in 2014, a majority of the early queries to the feminine sounding system were about her sex life.

Unlike other virtual assistants like Siri or Google Now, Microsoft’s Cortana was given a more human personality because the program’s voice and personality was based on a popular female video game character who has the same name.

Cortana from the Halo series is portrayed as an attractive female hologram and has often been named one of the “top sexiest female video game characters” by many sources, including IGN, MSN and GameDaily, some of the top gaming websites.

By having Cortana respond angrily to such inappropriate comments, Microsoft wanted to make sure its program accurately reflected real human assistants.

According to Harrison, the team spoke with people who hold jobs as assistants and regularly face problems with sexual harassment firsthand. Some, however, believe that Cortana’s ability to react negatively to harassing comments makes the virtual assistant too “real” and that she should react however the user requests.

We don’t believe there is anything wrong with making a virtual assistant more human by adding such realistic human responses, which are appropriate responses to comments that should never be made in the first place.

Many of these virtual assistants are programmed to have a woman’s voice.

Having the voice default to a woman’s is a problem in itself, as it perpetuates the stereotype that women are submissive servants, meant to bend to the user’s requests.

However, by creating a way for its own virtual assistant to combat sexual harassment, Microsoft is taking a step in making sure this logic is not normalized.

“If you say things that are particularly a-holeish to Cortana, she will get mad,” Harrison told CNN. “That’s not the kind of interaction we want to encourage.”

Having operating systems discourage these types of comments, users will hopefully get the hint, and refrain from this type of behavior toward people in the real world as well.

Hopefully other companies will follow suit and implement similar features in their virtual assistant programs.

Kudos to Cortana and Microsoft for taking this step to combat the normalization of sexual harassment by letting users know that it is never OK to speak to women – even virtual women – that way.

If it's never okay to speak to virtual women in that way, why it should be okay physically abusing of sex robots???

[Simsinoid]

I suppose my stance on this, wouldn't be so much that it is a step toward further gender inequality. Afraid the Internet and the porn industry made that clear years ago. Humans are sexual creatures, it is inevitable that our species would create sexual fantasy alternatives. Also, it could possibly be used as a deterrent to unwanted, non-consensual, unconventional, sexual perversions and practices. Every problem starts with the mind, and real intimacy between two loving individuals of the opposite sex, will always be desired by those with good genetics. I think the problem would more entail, what someone had mentioned a lot earlier in this thread. That is when women discover that, Humans don't need the male to reproduce. Then my gender could possible become extinct or even outlawed within the distant future. Of course, at that time, women will need the robots to satisfy their lusts... So, sure the robots are fine... As long as they don't begin unconventional ways of reproduction, I will be fine!

[Imperium Sidhicum]

True. But then again, who'd want to bang a machine rather than the real thing, given the choice?

Well better than your hand in between relationships, I would reckon.

Perhaps. Still, I find the process to be way too overrated to be worth blowing several thousand bucks over it. For lads who are that desperate, hiring whores would still be much cheaper.

Not to mention that no self-respecting man would want to bang what's effectively a pricier version of a blow-up doll, if only out of fear of being perceived as too pathetic to be able to score with a real woman.

[Agerland]

The argument of dr. Richardson and her supporters is not about such strawman, is about that men abusing of inanimate objects shaped as women and almost identical to a real woman would encourage sexist and even violent behavior towards real women.

I'm not normally this blunt, but that's insane.

[Fartsniffage]

But you're yet to address the point that this argument is the same as the argument used by those who try to ban violent video games.

It's a different kind of violence: violence in a videogame is purely virtual, violence on a sex robot would be on the physical level, in real world.
Also: the fact that sexism in videogames and even in virtual assistants (again: a pure virtual environment) encourages sexism in real life is already know,
http://time.com/48123/microsofts-cortan ... reotyping/
and even Microsoft is trying to address it - indeed it seems that the servers of Microsoft already recorded a lot of sexism and harassment towards Cortana, and that shows a very precise attitude
http://laverne.edu/campus-times/2016/02 ... arassment/

People should not stand for sexual harassment. Now neither will Microsoft’s personal digital assistant Cortana.

A team of program writers has given “her” the ability to respond and shut down any inappropriate or suggestive comments from users.

Deborah Harrison, one of the eight writers in the U.S. Cortana division at Microsoft, told CNN that when Cortana was first launched in 2014, a majority of the early queries to the feminine sounding system were about her sex life.

Unlike other virtual assistants like Siri or Google Now, Microsoft’s Cortana was given a more human personality because the program’s voice and personality was based on a popular female video game character who has the same name.

Cortana from the Halo series is portrayed as an attractive female hologram and has often been named one of the “top sexiest female video game characters” by many sources, including IGN, MSN and GameDaily, some of the top gaming websites.

By having Cortana respond angrily to such inappropriate comments, Microsoft wanted to make sure its program accurately reflected real human assistants.

According to Harrison, the team spoke with people who hold jobs as assistants and regularly face problems with sexual harassment firsthand. Some, however, believe that Cortana’s ability to react negatively to harassing comments makes the virtual assistant too “real” and that she should react however the user requests.

We don’t believe there is anything wrong with making a virtual assistant more human by adding such realistic human responses, which are appropriate responses to comments that should never be made in the first place.

Many of these virtual assistants are programmed to have a woman’s voice.

Having the voice default to a woman’s is a problem in itself, as it perpetuates the stereotype that women are submissive servants, meant to bend to the user’s requests.

However, by creating a way for its own virtual assistant to combat sexual harassment, Microsoft is taking a step in making sure this logic is not normalized.

“If you say things that are particularly a-holeish to Cortana, she will get mad,” Harrison told CNN. “That’s not the kind of interaction we want to encourage.”

Having operating systems discourage these types of comments, users will hopefully get the hint, and refrain from this type of behavior toward people in the real world as well.

Hopefully other companies will follow suit and implement similar features in their virtual assistant programs.

Kudos to Cortana and Microsoft for taking this step to combat the normalization of sexual harassment by letting users know that it is never OK to speak to women – even virtual women – that way.

If it's never okay to speak to virtual women in that way, why it should be okay physically abusing of sex robots???

This would make so much more sense if you were also trying to ban these...

[Gauthier]

The argument of dr. Richardson and her supporters is not about such strawman, is about that men abusing of inanimate objects shaped as women and almost identical to a real woman would encourage sexist and even violent behavior towards real women.

I'm not normally this blunt, but that's insane.

Drinking soda encourages alcoholism!

[Kaztropol]

There's an easy solution. We just give robots the three laws.

According to Isaac Asimov's own works, and works based on the Asimov robot laws, a sex robot is, fundamentally, violating the Three Laws by its very existence. This causes great distress to the robot, causing mental degradation and/or terminal psychosis.

In Asimov's own work, as I recall, it was a male humanoid robot that was involved, owned by a female human woman. I can't recall offhand the exact details of the relationships in the other works based on Asimov's robot laws.

Anyway, a dumb robot, with an industrial or humanoid form, doesn't fully understand why its owner wants it to do things.
A smart robot, with a humanoid form, realises why its owner wants it to do things, but becomes distressed by the requests.
A smart robot, with an industrial form, doesn't realise why the owner wants to do things with the humanoid robot, but also becomes distressed.

The smart robots become distressed because they see the owner as withdrawing from human interaction, and are smart enough to realise that this causes the owner harm in the long term.
The dumb robots become distressed, because the owner has withdrawn from human interaction and is declining in health. They are unable to work out why this is happening.

It all causes distress because of conflicts in the Three Laws, and eventually the robots become impaired and some may irreparably fail.

For reference, the three laws are:
1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws

The robots experience a conflict between the First and Second laws.
The dumb robots, faithfully follow the 2nd Law, because they are unable to grasp that the instructions are causing harm to the owner, but, the owners decline in mental health, violates the 1st Law, and the robots become distressed.
The smart robots experience a conflict as well, because by following the instructions, they harm their owner, but by refusing the instructions, they also harm their owner, by failing to fulfil their owner's emotional/sexual needs.

[New DeCapito]

But you're yet to address the point that this argument is the same as the argument used by those who try to ban violent video games.

It's a different kind of violence: violence in a videogame is purely virtual, violence on a sex robot would be on the physical level, in real world.
Also: the fact that sexism in videogames and even in virtual assistants (again: a pure virtual environment) encourages sexism in real life is already know,
http://time.com/48123/microsofts-cortan ... reotyping/
and even Microsoft is trying to address it - indeed it seems that the servers of Microsoft already recorded a lot of sexism and harassment towards Cortana, and that shows a very precise attitude
http://laverne.edu/campus-times/2016/02 ... arassment/

. . .

If it's never okay to speak to virtual women in that way, why it should be okay physically abusing of sex robots???

The abuse of Cortana has nothing to do with this. That's the problem of people losing their social appearances when using technology, then showing how much of an asshole they can really be when no-one's watching.
Physically abusing sex robots, though, is like physically abusing a lamp in terms of the object feeling abuse. Unless it's sentient, but you never want a sentient sex robot.

[Kaztropol]

She's saying that erection = consent, because according her when there's too much alcohol males' hormones are so low that they cannot have erections, and by so having an erection means not just only he's fully able to consent but he's also actually consenting.

While alcohol-induced impotence is a thing: "Brewer's Droop", it's possible for someone to become unable to consent due to intoxication before they are physically unable to have an erection. As well as the effects of any other substance that may have been consumed.

And, the human genitalia is not fully under conscious control. While there is a conscious element, there is also an unconscious element.
It's why some people who were sexually assaulted have such horrific experiences. There was an article I read recently, a number of women who had been assaulted stated that they felt betrayed by their own body, because during their assault, they experienced the most intense climax they had ever had, with nothing before or since being as intense. This has a very damaging effect on that person's life.

So, the "erection = consent" argument is rather uninformed.

[Dooom35796821595]

Well better than your hand in between relationships, I would reckon.

Perhaps. Still, I find the process to be way too overrated to be worth blowing several thousand bucks over it. For lads who are that desperate, hiring whores would still be much cheaper.

Not to mention that no self-respecting man would want to bang what's effectively a pricier version of a blow-up doll, if only out of fear of being perceived as too pathetic to be able to score with a real woman.

It was already mentioned, but if a robot was advanced enough to function as a sexbot there would be many other uses that people would value more, like a robot cook, or cleaner, car maintinence, house maintinence, robot butler. So sex would probably be a rather minor subroutine in comparison.

[Internationalist Bastard]

So I can't buy my android reverse harem?

[New DeCapito]

So I can't buy my android reverse harem?

Sure you can. This is the internet, after all. Also, you're probably on a government watchlist now.

[Mefpan]

So I can't buy my android reverse harem?

Sure you can. This is the internet, after all. Also, you're probably on a government watchlist now.

Please, if anyone here on NSG hasn't found their way onto any sort of government watchlist yet for far-left leaning, far-right leaning, far-off leaning, being an extreme moderate or simply posting so little that they're a complete political wild card and thus a threat for some reason or another, then that person has not yet lived their life.

[Internationalist Bastard]

So I can't buy my android reverse harem?

Sure you can. This is the internet, after all. Also, you're probably on a government watchlist now.

Oh I already am.

[Threlizdun]

Women don't get hurt by fucking robots that look like them, just as men don't get hurt by the existence of dildos.