Your feelings on Race

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And the thing is nobody notices it because it has been sold to us that the issue is not racial, but rather economical. We've chosen to be color-blind to that shit.

Well, for the outsider is quite evident that it isn't a socio-economic issue. It's racial. But Latin America is hardly the sole culprit in that. Spain is quite racist too, against blacks and against Middle Easterners.

True.

I will be honest, before, I too was color blind to the issue. But as I learned more about at least Mexico and El Salvador as well as other places I've come to find out that racism is not so black and white as it seems.

[Sanctissima]

-sigh-

You're taking one thing I say and assuming a hundred others. Racial classifications are not the only ones in existence, no. I thought that much would be obvious.

Oh, good. Then I was right this entire time.

Was that so difficult?

But... that wasn't even what we were talking about.

The argument was about whether a race has biological aspects, not whether or not it's the sole system for classification.

[Mavorpen]

This is one of the most unintentionally ironic posts I've ever read on NSG.

By all means, enlighten me to how it is so.

I've been trying my best, but you saw fit to avoid the topic and pretend like I called Chinese and Russian scientists incompetent.

But let's start here: give me a single gene that is only found in one race.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Well, for the outsider is quite evident that it isn't a socio-economic issue. It's racial. But Latin America is hardly the sole culprit in that. Spain is quite racist too, against blacks and against Middle Easterners.

True.

I will be honest, before, I too was color blind to the issue. But as I learned more about at least Mexico and El Salvador as well as other places I've come to find out that racism is not so black and white as it seems.

Aye, it comes in a wide array of shades.

[Mavorpen]

Oh, good. Then I was right this entire time.

Was that so difficult?

But... that wasn't even what we were talking about.

The argument was about whether a race has biological aspects, not whether or not it's the sole system for classification.

No it wasn't. It was over your assertion that I called Chinese and Russian scientists incompetent because I said that a competent scientist wouldn't consider classifications in general valid solely because two organisms look different.

This wasn't even an hour ago ffs.

[Sanctissima]

By all means, enlighten me to how it is so.

I've been trying my best, but you saw fit to avoid the topic and pretend like I called Chinese and Russian scientists incompetent.

But let's start here: give me a single gene that is only found in one race.

But you did, you implied it. Do I need to go back and quote you again?

That aside though, it's not a matter of the presence of genes so much as it is about phenotypes. And I think the phenotypes themselves are self-evident: skin colour, etc.

[The Kievan People]

As much as Latin America LOVES to taut their post-racial heritage, we're pretty God damn racist.

Post-racial societies are like bigfoot. Always being seen, never found.

We can hardly single out Latin America.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I've been trying my best, but you saw fit to avoid the topic and pretend like I called Chinese and Russian scientists incompetent.

But let's start here: give me a single gene that is only found in one race.

But you did, you implied it. Do I need to go back and quote you again?

That aside though, it's not a matter of the presence of genes so much as it is about phenotypes. And I think the phenotypes themselves are self-evident: skin colour, etc.

Skin color has nothing to do with one's race.

If I'm white and I tan to a nice bronze, am I suddenly "bronze" race? Mestizo even?

[Mavorpen]

I've been trying my best, but you saw fit to avoid the topic and pretend like I called Chinese and Russian scientists incompetent.

But let's start here: give me a single gene that is only found in one race.

But you did, you implied it. Do I need to go back and quote you again?

That aside though, it's not a matter of the presence of genes so much as it is about phenotypes. And I think the phenotypes themselves are self-evident: skin colour, etc.

No, because we literally JUST concluded that I didn't.

Oh, so you're admitting it isn't valid science then. Thanks.

[Sanctissima]

But... that wasn't even what we were talking about.

The argument was about whether a race has biological aspects, not whether or not it's the sole system for classification.

No it wasn't. It was over your assertion that I called Chinese and Russian scientists incompetent because I said that a competent scientist wouldn't consider classifications in general valid solely because two organisms look different.

This wasn't even an hour ago ffs.

But you did. You specifically said that the argument made that Chinese and Russian scientists believed in race wasn't applicable to your argument that no respectable biologist would believe in race.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

As much as Latin America LOVES to taut their post-racial heritage, we're pretty God damn racist.

Post-racial societies are like bigfoot. Always being seen, never found.

We can hardly single out Latin America.

No one is singling out Latin America though. He's talking about his experiences as a Latino in said societies.

[Sanctissima]

But you did, you implied it. Do I need to go back and quote you again?

That aside though, it's not a matter of the presence of genes so much as it is about phenotypes. And I think the phenotypes themselves are self-evident: skin colour, etc.

No, because we literally JUST concluded that I didn't.

Oh, so you're admitting it isn't valid science then. Thanks.

What are you even talking about?

[The Grey Wolf]

Well, problematically, Americans don't constitute their own ethnicity.

If you were to take something like Blacks and a particular Nigerian tribe for example, that would work. One being a race and the other an ethnicity. Or even Latinos within a broader categorization of Hispanics.

American is an ethnicity. You don't consider it one because you probably are American. However, to people in Latin American, natural-born Americans are ethnic. You're different from us, even if we're composed of the same racial mixes as you do. You may not be different from us in racial composition, but your culture and national traditions are different.

American is a nationality, there exists dozens of ethnic groups in the United States. German, Scotch-Irish, and Jewish Americans are certainly not the same ethnicity because they belong to the same state.

[Sanctissima]

But you did, you implied it. Do I need to go back and quote you again?

That aside though, it's not a matter of the presence of genes so much as it is about phenotypes. And I think the phenotypes themselves are self-evident: skin colour, etc.

Skin color has nothing to do with one's race.

If I'm white and I tan to a nice bronze, am I suddenly "bronze" race? Mestizo even?

Yes it does, it's one of the main features.

Just because a person tans doesn't mean they don't have a natural skin tone.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

As much as Latin America LOVES to taut their post-racial heritage, we're pretty God damn racist.

Post-racial societies are like bigfoot. Always being seen, never found.

We can hardly single out Latin America.

Nah, Latin America is not the only culprit, as Nana and the United States shows.

However, yes, Latin America does taut that they're not racist when in fact they are.

[Mavorpen]

No, because we literally JUST concluded that I didn't.

Oh, so you're admitting it isn't valid science then. Thanks.

What are you even talking about?

Feel free to reread the last page or so, since you apparently can't remember something that didn't even happen an hour ago.

Phenotypic classification for organisms hasn't occurred for decades at best. The exception would be microorganisms, which can be classified by their cellular structure. So I ask again, do you have a gene that is exclusive to one race or not?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Skin color has nothing to do with one's race.

If I'm white and I tan to a nice bronze, am I suddenly "bronze" race? Mestizo even?

Yes it does, it's one of the main features.

Just because a person tans doesn't mean they don't have a natural skin tone.

Their natural skin tone just changed. Again, is tanning/bleaching your skin a change of race, yes or no? If skin color had to do with race (or if, in fact, skin color is a determinant in race) then white people could become mestizos just by tanning.

[Sanctissima]

What are you even talking about?

Feel free to reread the last page or so, since you apparently can't remember something that didn't even happen an hour ago.

Phenotypic classification for organisms hasn't occurred for decades at best. The exception would be microorganisms, which can be classified by their cellular structure. So I ask again, do you have a gene that is exclusive to one race or not?

Oh for the love of...

I'm not saying it should be a taxonomic classification. That would just be stupid.

I'm saying that it has more to do with it than just social construction. There's some obvious biological factors there.

[Conscentia]

I've been trying my best, but you saw fit to avoid the topic and pretend like I called Chinese and Russian scientists incompetent.
But let's start here: give me a single gene that is only found in one race.

But you did, you implied it. Do I need to go back and quote you again?
That aside though, it's not a matter of the presence of genes so much as it is about phenotypes. And I think the phenotypes themselves are self-evident: skin colour, etc.

Phenotypes vary within so-called "races".

Defining races on a phenotypical basis only seems very arbitrary, and likely to run into issues with subjectivity. Human skin colour, for example, doesn't come in just two shades as modern racial terminology would imply. At what point does brown stop being "white" and start being "black"?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

American is an ethnicity. You don't consider it one because you probably are American. However, to people in Latin American, natural-born Americans are ethnic. You're different from us, even if we're composed of the same racial mixes as you do. You may not be different from us in racial composition, but your culture and national traditions are different.

American is a nationality, there exists dozens of ethnic groups in the United States. German, Scotch-Irish, and Jewish Americans are certainly not the same ethnicity because they belong to the same state.

Not. My point.

The point is to Latin Americans, Americans are ethnic. They're certainly not just a different nation. Latinos to Americans are ethnic, we're not just Mexico or Argentina.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

But you did, you implied it. Do I need to go back and quote you again?
That aside though, it's not a matter of the presence of genes so much as it is about phenotypes. And I think the phenotypes themselves are self-evident: skin colour, etc.

Phenotypes vary within so-called "races".

Defining races on a phenotypical basis only seems very arbitrary, and likely to run into issues with subjectivity. Human skin colour, for example, doesn't come in just two shades as modern racial terminology would imply. At what point does brown stop being "white" and start being "black"?

There's only one solution to this conundrum: let's reimpose the one-drop rule *nods*

[The Grey Wolf]

Phenotypes vary within so-called "races".

Defining races on a phenotypical basis only seems very arbitrary, and likely to run into issues with subjectivity. Human skin colour, for example, doesn't come in just two shades as modern racial terminology would imply. At what point does brown stop being "white" and start being "black"?

There's only one solution to this conundrum: let's reimpose the one-drop rule *nods*

Welp, guess that means I better get to a reservation.

[Sanctissima]

Yes it does, it's one of the main features.

Just because a person tans doesn't mean they don't have a natural skin tone.

Their natural skin tone just changed. Again, is tanning/bleaching your skin a change of race, yes or no? If skin color had to do with race (or if, in fact, skin color is a determinant in race) then white people could become mestizos just by tanning.

Tanning doesn't last forever though, and as far as I'm aware it doesn't actually change the Melanin structure of one's skin. And bleaching... well, I guess it doesn't actually change the skin colour somewhat permanently. That being said, there are a lot of other factors than just skin colour.

[Mavorpen]

Feel free to reread the last page or so, since you apparently can't remember something that didn't even happen an hour ago.

Phenotypic classification for organisms hasn't occurred for decades at best. The exception would be microorganisms, which can be classified by their cellular structure. So I ask again, do you have a gene that is exclusive to one race or not?

Oh for the love of...

I'm not saying it should be a taxonomic classification. That would just be stupid.

I'm saying that it has more to do with it than just social construction. There's some obvious biological factors there.

Oh, so you want it to be biological when it isn't.

Why?

[Conscentia]

Yes it does, it's one of the main features.
Just because a person tans doesn't mean they don't have a natural skin tone.

Their natural skin tone just changed. Again, is tanning/bleaching your skin a change of race, yes or no? If skin color had to do with race (or if, in fact, skin color is a determinant in race) then white people could become mestizos just by tanning.

I've heard that in America it was possible to change race just by crossing state boundaries, due to state defining race boundaries differently. [x]