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How do you identify yourself?

White/Caucasian
450
73%
Asian
42
7%
Arab
6
1%
Native American
7
1%
African
13
2%
Indian
5
1%
Hispanic
31
5%
Mixed
65
11%
 
Total votes : 619

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Jochistan
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Postby Jochistan » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:14 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
New confederate ramenia wrote:Southern Cone of South America (Argentina, Chile, Uruguay) - Whitest part of Latin America
Middle Eastern Countries - If you use US census definition they're white.
Horn of Africa - If you use "muh caucasoid skull shape" they're white
India - Literal Aryans


There are no white people in any of these places.

:rofl:

Arabs can be pretty white, man. Same with Latinos.
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Postby Crockerland » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:15 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
New confederate ramenia wrote:Southern Cone of South America (Argentina, Chile, Uruguay) - Whitest part of Latin America
Middle Eastern Countries - If you use US census definition they're white.
Horn of Africa - If you use "muh caucasoid skull shape" they're white
India - Literal Aryans


There are no white people in any of these places.

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Postby The Kievan People » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:15 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:Bashar al-Assad is a Negro apparently.


Really?

I thought he was Chinese.
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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:15 pm

Crockerland wrote:
The Kievan People wrote:
There are no white people in any of these places.

President of Argentina
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Clearly a black man.

Argentina has a new President? Since when?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:16 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
New confederate ramenia wrote:Southern Cone of South America (Argentina, Chile, Uruguay) - Whitest part of Latin America
Middle Eastern Countries - If you use US census definition they're white.
Horn of Africa - If you use "muh caucasoid skull shape" they're white
India - Literal Aryans


There are no white people in any of these places.


When it comes to South America, or Latin America in general, allow me to correct you in your erroneous position that there aren't any white people there.

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:17 pm

Jochistan wrote:
The Kievan People wrote:
There are no white people in any of these places.

:rofl:

Arabs can be pretty white, man. Same with Latinos.


Arabs are Indo-European after all.
The Kievan People wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:Bashar al-Assad is a Negro apparently.


Really?

I thought he was Chinese.


No, he's white.

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Postby Crockerland » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:17 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Crockerland wrote:President of Argentina
Image
Clearly a black man.

Argentina has a new President? Since when?

2015.
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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:17 pm

Crockerland wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Argentina has a new President? Since when?

2015.

Late 2015?
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Ancient Pluto
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Postby Ancient Pluto » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:18 pm

I've always fancied myself more of a NASCAR fan than a Formula One fan. I hear Motocross is interesting to watch, but I'm usually too busy playing Mario Kart to care.
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Eol Sha
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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:19 pm

Ancient Pluto wrote:I've always fancied myself more of a NASCAR fan than a Formula One fan. I hear Motocross is interesting to watch, but I'm usually too busy playing Mario Kart to care.

You have time to watch NASCAR, but not Motocross? NASCAR races are like fifteen hours long. :eyebrow:
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Postby Crockerland » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:20 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Crockerland wrote:2015.

Late 2015?

November, yeah.
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Eol Sha
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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:21 pm

Crockerland wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Late 2015?

November, yeah.

Ah. Ok then. :)
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Ancient Pluto
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Postby Ancient Pluto » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:22 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Ancient Pluto wrote:I've always fancied myself more of a NASCAR fan than a Formula One fan. I hear Motocross is interesting to watch, but I'm usually too busy playing Mario Kart to care.

You have time to watch NASCAR, but not Motocross? NASCAR races are like fifteen hours long. :eyebrow:


Oh, I rarely actually watch NASCAR, but I can sometimes put it on the background while playing whatever racing game I'm playing.
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Jochistan
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Postby Jochistan » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:24 pm

Also, it's such a shame that Askenazi being descendents of Khazars, or (certain groups of) Slavs being Turco-Mongol descended is used disparigingly by racists.

Should be welcomed as Ural Altaic peoples. Not have that used as an insult. Ah well.
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New confederate ramenia
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:24 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Jochistan wrote: :rofl:

Arabs can be pretty white, man. Same with Latinos.


Arabs are Indo-European after all.

Not really
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Eol Sha
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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:24 pm

Ancient Pluto wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:You have time to watch NASCAR, but not Motocross? NASCAR races are like fifteen hours long. :eyebrow:


Oh, I rarely actually watch NASCAR, but I can sometimes put it on the background while playing whatever racing game I'm playing.

Ah. That makes more sense.
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Postby UniversalCommons » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:35 pm

My family is what is important. Let everyone else decide to fight each other over this. It doesn't matter to me that deeply.

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Postby New Chilokver » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:37 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:Bashar al-Assad is a Negro apparently.


Really?

I thought he was Chinese.

I choked on my drink.

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Postby Taosanga » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:38 pm

New Chilokver wrote:
The Kievan People wrote:
Really?

I thought he was Chinese.

I choked on my drink.

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Gregahou
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Postby Gregahou » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:39 pm

Who cares about skin color? Shouldn't you be judging them based on their actions, if any judgment at all?
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Postby Cetacea » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:47 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Ghatawerpya wrote:Caucasian shouldn't refer to white people.

Real Caucasians aren't simply white people.


Caucasian is just a designation.

And racial Caucasians aren't simply white people either.


no Caucasian is a myth

(NB the people in the Caucasus region don't actually call themselves Caucasian)

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Postby Sanghikariya » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:47 pm

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Postby The Kievan People » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:59 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:No, he's white.


No, he looks white. This is not in any way equal to being white.

Haven't you ever watched an American crime drama episode where some guy is black, but looks white and lives his life as an undercover brother, and is all torn up about it (then someone dies because, you know, crime drama)? Law and Order and Cold Case both did this plot for sure.

If you were correct, that having the look is the same as being, this plot line would be impossible and nobody could take it seriously. But in reality many, many people and do - the idea of someone being "black" but looking "white" is entirely comprehensible to them, as is the drama inherent in the premise of having a "torn" identity. The common understanding of race blends physical and social characteristics; if you say a latino "looks white" or an asian "acts white" (or a white "acts black") people generally have no trouble understanding what you mean. If they understood race as entirely a matter of physical appearance they would not get it at all.

Aside from kooky race theorists who spent way too much time constructing precisely defined (and completely imaginary) categories such precise definitions simply don't matter. They do not reflect how the concept is race is understood by most people, especially not those who actually care about it.
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Postby Ashkera » Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:03 pm

If* there are real differences in strength, speed, intelligence, etc distributions that aren't a product of environmental factors, then we're about 30 years away from making them irrelevant / obsolete via genetic selection / engineering.

Even if that weren't the case, those differences would be relatively minor or shifts in the distribution, so it would still make sense to treat individuals on their own merits.

(*A very big If, but there's nothing that would make it physically or logically impossible. It's just that people have been wrong about it a lot before, and have often used the idea to be ***holes. It makes sense to treat it with lots of skepticism.)
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Postby Cetacea » Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:04 pm

The Emerald World wrote:
Lynerida wrote:There is no such thing as race. It is an artificial construct created by society to reinforce xenophobic tendencies. Any respectable Anthropologist or geneticist will tell you the same.

Skeletons the world over are rolling in their bodies. That sounds painful.

But seriously, bone structure is actually affected by race, unless I'm mistaking it for something else like ethnicity or whatever. For example, as an Asian, I don't have a brow ridge, whereas white people typically do.

Also, genetics.


this man has a brow ridge
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