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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:44 am

Nordenkaltian Union wrote:I think it's fine if everything is consensual


Silence means consent when it's coming from a corpse.

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Postby Nordenkaltian Union » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:45 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Nordenkaltian Union wrote:I think it's fine if everything is consensual


Silence means consent when it's coming from a corpse.


Right because as said in the article, the necrophile will need to obtain consent before the corpse is a corpse.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:45 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Nordenkaltian Union wrote:I think it's fine if everything is consensual


Silence means consent when it's coming from a corpse.

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Postby Urran » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:53 am

Oh incest, when the American South did it, it was taboo and frowned upon, when Sweden does it, they are the champion of human rights. I guess it's not the act that people don't like, it's the people group doing it.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:55 am

Urran wrote: I guess it's not the act that people don't like, it's the people group doing it.


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Postby New Frenco Empire » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:57 am

Urran wrote:Oh incest, when the American South did it, it was taboo and frowned upon, when Sweden does it, they are the champion of human rights. I guess it's not the act that people don't like, it's the people group doing it.

The whole "southerners love incest" thing is a stereotype, and if you're trying to make some kind of point, I wouldn't stoop that low to do so.
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Postby Urran » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:59 am

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Urran wrote:Oh incest, when the American South did it, it was taboo and frowned upon, when Sweden does it, they are the champion of human rights. I guess it's not the act that people don't like, it's the people group doing it.

The whole "southerners love incest" thing is a stereotype, and if you're trying to make some kind of point, I wouldn't stoop that low to do so.


I know, you don't get much deeper south than where I am. My point was that even in rare cases when it did occur, people looked at in in disgust, but then Sweden picks it up and all of the sudden it's a fantastic idea.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:00 pm

Well then....

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Postby New Frenco Empire » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:01 pm

Urran wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:The whole "southerners love incest" thing is a stereotype, and if you're trying to make some kind of point, I wouldn't stoop that low to do so.


I know, you don't get much deeper south than where I am. My point was that even in rare cases when it did occur, people looked at in in disgust, but then Sweden picks it up and all of the sudden it's a fantastic idea.

By looking at this thread, you should know better than to think this idea is being met with applause.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:20 pm

Urran wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:The whole "southerners love incest" thing is a stereotype, and if you're trying to make some kind of point, I wouldn't stoop that low to do so.


I know, you don't get much deeper south than where I am. My point was that even in rare cases when it did occur, people looked at in in disgust, but then Sweden picks it up and all of the sudden it's a fantastic idea.

I really don't think that's what's happening at all. Incest has been a thread topic on NSG for longer than "Sweden Does A Thing" has been grade-A clickbait(I r8 8/8 etc), and from what I've seen the general theme of the opinions expressed hasn't changed much. You have people saying that if that's what consenting adults want to do then that's their business, people saying that but only if there's no impregnating, people saying no incest ever because inbreeding is bad, and people saying no incest ever because it's gross.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:39 pm

consenting individuals of appropriate ages should be allowed to have sex.
I'm on the fence with necrophilia. I would need to know whether or not there is increased risk of medical problems to the living "partner," and what those risks may be.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:00 pm

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so you think fucking a dead body or your sister isn't degeneracy?

Nasty, sure. But degenerate? In order for something to be degenerate, the word would first have to actually mean something.
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Postby Risottia » Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:06 pm

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Lamaredia wrote:The left? The Swedish Liberal Party is center-right.

Actually in Sweden it is a bit different. Every ideology in Sweden is more toward left than its european counterparts. The "conservative" Moderate Party for instance allowed mass immigration to Sweden and flexibiled the laws so migrants cannot be deported.

Is Sweden a weird country?

No. The conservative CDU of Germany, same policies. The conservative RPR/Républicains of France, same policies. The conservative PdL/Forza Italia of Italy, same policies. The conservative EPP/PPE-led EU Commission and Parliament, same policies. It's just that only fascistoid, anti-european parties in Europe such as Italy's Lega Nord, France's Front National, Britain's BNP, Sweden's Sverigedemokraterna support xenophobia.
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Postby Risottia » Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:08 pm

Urran wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:The whole "southerners love incest" thing is a stereotype, and if you're trying to make some kind of point, I wouldn't stoop that low to do so.


I know, you don't get much deeper south than where I am.

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Postby Jochistan » Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:20 pm

Wowie.

Just because it's nice in anime doesn't mean it's okay in real life, kids.

Necrophilia is always pretty nasty though.
Well, unless you count Kate Beckinsale in Underworld.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:26 pm

Jochistan wrote:Wowie.

Just because it's nice in anime doesn't mean it's okay in real life, kids.

Necrophilia is always pretty nasty though.
Well, unless you count Kate Beckinsale in Underworld.

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Postby Southern Bardarus » Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:27 pm

Sweden is.........
The slippery slope theory turned out to be........
Incest and necrophilia are horrible actions and in most sane countries they are illegal because only madmen and the European nobility practice such horrid things.
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Postby Coalition of Minor Planets » Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:51 pm

So after all these pages, a trend is clear: most people opposing legalization, when asked for a reason, give reasons to not engage in it and parade those as reasons to criminalize it.


Icky? Yeah, that's a reason to not participate, not a reason to ban
Health risks? Yeah, another reason to not engage in it, not a reason to ban. Although one thing I have not seen mentioned related to health: sex with a corpse would greatly reduce or eliminate any chance of catching many communicable diseases.

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Postby Slakonian » Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:10 pm

Coalition of Minor Planets wrote:So after all these pages, a trend is clear: most people opposing legalization, when asked for a reason, give reasons to not engage in it and parade those as reasons to criminalize it.


Icky? Yeah, that's a reason to not participate, not a reason to ban
Health risks? Yeah, another reason to not engage in it, not a reason to ban. Although one thing I have not seen mentioned related to health: sex with a corpse would greatly reduce or eliminate any chance of catching many communicable diseases.

The OP should have added a poll, there are some who actually support this but cannot determine how many: but you are probably right that most oppose it.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:12 pm

What insanity is this? Legalize Necrophilia and incest? Are these people out of their Vulcan minds? It would never get passed by any parliament nor do i see any court ruling in favor of it.

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Postby Jochistan » Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:29 pm

Urran wrote:Oh incest, when the American South did it, it was taboo and frowned upon, when Sweden does it, they are the champion of human rights. I guess it's not the act that people don't like, it's the people group doing it.

It's okay when they're rich and liberal. *nod*
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Postby Brandenbourg-Anhalt » Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:46 pm

Alyakia wrote:to play devils advocate, can you think of any reason why, in addition to cutting it up or burning it, having sex with the body of a person who pre-authortized it should be illegal beyond "eww"? who is the victim of this crime?

I definitely agree with the legalization of consensual sex between adults, even if they are siblings, though at the same time I have to admit that I am struggling a bit with the proposal concerning dead people since it doesn't really leave any ability for the dead person to rescind their authorization (since they are dead) :P
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Postby Ponoxien » Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:06 pm

I'm okay with incest, but I think we would need to start a campaign to demonize having incestual sex without birth control.

I'm very disturbed by necrophilia, simply because I sanctify the body after death. It just seems wrong to use the body for sexual desire after death. But I suppose there would be nothing wrong with it if there was written consent. But then, consent could be faked. Or people could be forced into selling their bodies after death to feed their children. And a dead person cannot revoke consent, which is a pretty big deal.

So, all in all, I'm okay with incest as long as we take appropriate measures, and I think the necrophilic situation is too complex to legalize just yet.
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Postby Zaldakki » Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:24 pm

San Lumen wrote:What insanity is this? Legalize Necrophilia and incest? Are these people out of their Vulcan minds? It would never get passed by any parliament nor do i see any court ruling in favor of it.

I could easily see incest being legalized.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:26 pm

Jochistan wrote:
Urran wrote:Oh incest, when the American South did it, it was taboo and frowned upon, when Sweden does it, they are the champion of human rights. I guess it's not the act that people don't like, it's the people group doing it.

It's okay when they're rich and liberal. *nod*

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