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Postby Val Halla » Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:47 am

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Kauthar wrote:so you think fucking a dead body or your sister isn't degeneracy?


They probably don't.

I don't. What of it?
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Postby Juristonia » Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:48 am

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Val Halla wrote:"I don't like it, therefore it is degenerate". Yay buzzwords!

so you think fucking a dead body or your sister isn't degeneracy?


I personally wouldn't, but what business is it of mine what two consenting adults decide to do, as long as it's not actively hurting someone?
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:52 am

Juristonia wrote:
Kauthar wrote:so you think fucking a dead body or your sister isn't degeneracy?


I personally wouldn't, but what business is it of mine what two consenting adults decide to do, as long as it's not actively hurting someone?

You might think that the sort of far-right poster who wants Muslims expelled from Europe lest they force their religion, morals, Sharia law, and the Arabic language on us would be in favour of letting people do as they please in so far as they don't hurt anyone. But no! What they want is to force their own religion, morals, system of laws, and language on us!
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Postby Juristonia » Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:56 am

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I personally wouldn't, but what business is it of mine what two consenting adults decide to do, as long as it's not actively hurting someone?

You might think that the sort of far-right poster who wants Muslims expelled from Europe lest they force their religion, morals, Sharia law, and the Arabic language on us would be in favour of letting people do as they please in so far as they don't hurt anyone. But no! What they want is to force their own religion, morals, system of laws, and language on us!


Scared of a little competition, I guess.
And why shouldn't they be? This other kind of oppressive morality is new and exciting and not like their own stale hatred of all things that we've all known for ages now.
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Postby New Socialist South Africa » Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:06 am

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The problem in regards to the argument against necrophillia is that people have far less conviction about spitting in public (which frankly where I come from is not considered a real issue outside of the most elite of circles, we have a slightly rougher view of health and safety) than they do about their sexual preferences. The problem is that if we can ban consenting necrophillia due to health concerns, should we not also consider banning scat play, etc? What is the balance between sexual freedom and public health concern?

The issues with the second argument is that it is already built on a shaky premise (what if the condom breaks through no fault of the couples own AND abortion is turned down / unavailable AND the child turns out particularly handicapped). This is compounded with a failure to really address why, if the concern for the children is really the concern, incest is worse under this view than sex between people one or both of whom have genetic predisposition to mental or physical handicaps.


With necrophilia, people's conviction doesn't have to come into account. Those who want to practice it do not experience the "need" necessary to warrant the rejection of concern for the health risks involved. The difference between necrophilia and scat play is a very distinct one; the scat would have come from a living person whose immune system was intact when the scat was produced. Though the scat could spread some diseases, the total number is far less than what could be spread by a dead human body. As mentioned in the article I linked, the body becomes riddled with a multitude of diseases once the immune system is no longer in operation.

My incest argument is not built on a shaky premise at all. There is a number of ways in which a pregnancy can occur and such an outcome is anything but uncommon. More important than the failure of contraceptives or condemns is the fact that a significant number of couples who have sex choose not to use protection. To be more specific, only 62% of women who don't plan on getting pregnant actively use contraceptives when having sex. That leaves a significant number of the population that leave themselves at risk; a statistic that is likely to be at a similar level in cases of incest.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_contr_use.html

The difference between those with genetic disorders having children and children being born out of incest is that the children born from those with disorders have less of a chance of suffering from the same disorder as their parent than the children born from siblings who would double their child's chance of displaying a genetic disorder.


The problem that you still haven't addressed in regard to necrophillia is where exactly do we draw the line between consenting sexual activity and health risks. I could just as easily say that the health risks from scat play or other fringe sexual fantasies pose too much of a health risk and thus should be banned under this logic. Why is it that necrophillia is where we draw the line, in particular apparently without taking into account the length od time the person has been dead for, the condition it is being kept in or precautionary measures taken. necrophillia with a well kept recently dead body when precautions are taken could in fact be less of a health risk than both activities like scat play and even unprotected vaginal sex with someone with an STD. You are generalising in regard to health issues.

On incest you are also generalising, using global statistics and applying them to a niche group, and even then such statistics are not 100%. You are also generalising in regard to the result of children born of incest and children born from unrelated couples who end up mentally or physically handicapped as a result of genetics. A child born from incest could statistically be far better off than one born from a non-related couple where genetics exist that will very likely cause severe mental or physical handicap.

You appear to be using very broad generalisations and rules to make an argument for an across the board continuation of a ban on both. Now of course both of these sexual acts come with a number of potential risks, but then again so do many others. It seems far wiser to allow fringe individuals who desire this activity to be open about this and try minimise the spread of disease and strongly encourage multiple forms of birth control (a condom and the pill for example), rather than leave it as a topic of stigma where such activities will still happen illegally, but with no support or educational basis to mitigate any potential damages.
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Postby New Socialist South Africa » Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:13 am

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Incest between family members 15 and older. 15 is the legal age of consent in Sweden.
Necrophilia between (presumably) an adult, and a piece of meat which once was a human person.

How is pedophilia next?

That's an absurd slippery slope. I presume you can't make an argument against incest or necrophilia?


Can you make an argument against Pedophilia with consent?


Yes, consent is by its nature informed. If a five year old has no idea what sex is and someone asks him / her if he / she wants it, and assures him / her they will like it, that is rape. A five year old does not have sufficient understanding of sex to consent to sex.

Thus why a priest having sex with a 7 year old choir boy is rape even if the priest assures the boy that sex is good and it is what God wants him to do, coercing the boy into saying yes to something he doesn't understand.
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Postby Kaltura » Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:48 am

Where the fuck are they gonna get the bodies? I'm pretty sure someone who's on their death bed doesn't want there body to be fucked after they die, let's also think of how the relatives feel about this. Imagine your Mum's just died and a guy knocks on your door and goes: "We heard your mother has unfortunately died, we are sorry for your loss, would you like some random creep to fuck her before you put her in the ground?"

Incest on the other hand I could handle as long as they are not allowed to reproduce, if they want children they can adopt.

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Postby Esternial » Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:53 am

Kaltura wrote:Where the fuck are they gonna get the bodies? I'm pretty sure someone who's on their death bed doesn't want there body to be fucked after they die, let's also think of how the relatives feel about this. Imagine your Mum's just died and a guy knocks on your door and goes: "We heard your mother has unfortunately died, we are sorry for your loss, would you like some random creep to fuck her before you put her in the ground?"

Incest on the other hand I could handle as long as they are not allowed to reproduce, if they want children they can adopt.

You can't speak for all people. Some folks are into some very..."kinky" stuff. There are people that find blood arousing.

If you've got a couple of necrophiliacs, I wouldn't find it surprising that they'd both want to let the other realise their fantasy should they die.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:54 am

Esternial wrote:
Kaltura wrote:Where the fuck are they gonna get the bodies? I'm pretty sure someone who's on their death bed doesn't want there body to be fucked after they die, let's also think of how the relatives feel about this. Imagine your Mum's just died and a guy knocks on your door and goes: "We heard your mother has unfortunately died, we are sorry for your loss, would you like some random creep to fuck her before you put her in the ground?"

Incest on the other hand I could handle as long as they are not allowed to reproduce, if they want children they can adopt.

You can't speak for all people. Some folks are into some very..."kinky" stuff. There are people that find blood arousing.

If you've got a couple of necrophiliacs, I wouldn't find it surprising that they'd both want to let the other realise their fantasy should they die.


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Postby Seraven » Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:56 am

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The youth wing of the Swedish Liberal party has filed a motion to legalize necrophilia and incest

They want to legalize sex between two consenting siblings over the age of 15, and sex with a corpse if there is a written permission made before the person died.

'We don't like morality laws in general, and this legislation is not protecting anyone right now,' Cecilia Johnsson, Liberal Youth chairperson in Stockholm told Aftonbladet.

'We are a youth wing and one of our tasks is to think one step further.

It also said that if a person has stated in a written will that they consent to someone having sex with their corpse, this should also be legal.

'It should be your own decision what happens with your body after you die, and if that happens to be that you want to bequeath your remains to a museum or to science, or if you want to bequeath your remains to someone to sleep with them, then that should be ok,' Ms Johnsson adds.



Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... enior.html
Since it is from the Daily Mail I shall post from swedish mainstream media because it was the only english source I could find: http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article22305329.ab

I personally do not agree with this and think it is to bit far. So, what the NSG audience say about this proposal? Should necropfilia and incest be legalised?


...What the shit? Sorry for the language...

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Postby Lamaredia » Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:57 am

Redsection wrote:Dear god , the left wants to do what ? This is just disturbing ...

The left? The Swedish Liberal Party is center-right.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:58 am

Kaltura wrote:Where the fuck are they gonna get the bodies? I'm pretty sure someone who's on their death bed doesn't want there body to be fucked after they die,

Really? I wouldn't be sure of that at all. I mean, people are into all manner of things. I've been about the internet for a while, and believe you me, I have seen some shit.
let's also think of how the relatives feel about this. Imagine your Mum's just died and a guy knocks on your door and goes: "We heard your mother has unfortunately died, we are sorry for your loss, would you like some random creep to fuck her before you put her in the ground?"

I doubt that's how it'd work.

Incest on the other hand I could handle as long as they are not allowed to reproduce, if they want children they can adopt.

Close relatives reproducing is not actually a guarantee of terrible genetic disorders.
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Postby Seraven » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:01 am

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Lamaredia wrote:The left? The Swedish Liberal Party is center-right.

Actually in Sweden it is a bit different. Every ideology in Sweden is more toward left than its european counterparts. The "conservative" Moderate Party for instance allowed mass immigration to Sweden and flexibiled the laws so migrants cannot be deported.

Is Sweden a weird country?


Sweden is less weird than...say, USA. In terms of political ideologies and who to follow.
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Postby Lamaredia » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:01 am

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Lamaredia wrote:The left? The Swedish Liberal Party is center-right.

Actually in Sweden it is a bit different. Every ideology in Sweden is more toward left than its european counterparts. The "conservative" Moderate Party for instance allowed mass immigration to Sweden and flexibiled the laws so migrants cannot be deported.

Is Sweden a weird country?

The Moderate party isn't conservative. They don't say they are either. They're liberals, and consider themselves as such. (Borgare).

The only real "conservative" parties in Sweden are the Christian Democrats and the Swedish Democrats.
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Postby Lamaredia » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:04 am

Belhorizon wrote:
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Incest between family members 15 and older. 15 is the legal age of consent in Sweden.
Necrophilia between (presumably) an adult, and a piece of meat which once was a human person.

How is pedophilia next?

That's an absurd slippery slope. I presume you can't make an argument against incest or necrophilia?


Can you make an argument against Pedophilia with consent?

Yes, I can. Pedophilia involves a party that can't give consent, since they're not old enough to give it.

Incest, if between adults, can be done with consent. Ergo, not comparable.
Necrophilia, with a contract written before death, is done with consent. Ergo, not comparable.

Both are still weird though, with necrophilia being incredibly fucking disgusting.
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Postby Lamaredia » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:05 am

Pommerstan wrote:
Lamaredia wrote:The Moderate party isn't conservative. They don't say they are either. They're liberals, and consider themselves as such. (Borgare).

The only real "conservative" parties in Sweden are the Christian Democrats and the Swedish Democrats.

Well ok. I would not consider the Moderate Party a right-leaning as well.

It is in Sweden. Bernie Sanders, who is far-left in the US, is pretty much centrist in Sweden.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:06 am

Kaltura wrote:Where the fuck are they gonna get the bodies? I'm pretty sure someone who's on their death bed doesn't want there body to be fucked after they die, let's also think of how the relatives feel about this. Imagine your Mum's just died and a guy knocks on your door and goes: "We heard your mother has unfortunately died, we are sorry for your loss, would you like some random creep to fuck her before you put her in the ground?"

Incest on the other hand I could handle as long as they are not allowed to reproduce, if they want children they can adopt.


Anyone who wants to have a go on my corpse after I die is welcome to it once the organs have been harvested.
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Postby Dahon » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:24 am

Italios wrote:Incest can create a higher chance for the baby to have a genetic disorder. Technically, you'd be knowingly passing these disorders to a fetus/child through incest. If we're legalising incest, necrophilia must be too. While diseases can be contracted through necrophilia, they won't impact anyone else except you, so you'll have free will to do it and take the risk.

Explain to me how one is worse than the other without the ew factor.


Yes, you can predispose offspring to certain genetic diseases through incest, but if this increased risk is a ground to criminalize the act regardless of the knowledgeable consent of both parties, why not criminalize relationships between carriers of defective genes, such as those of Alzheimer's or sickle-cell anemia?

As for necrophilia, yes, doing it does affect only one person, at most -- but I'm a pretty big consent guy, and corpses can't give their assent to or withdraw from sexual activity. Some people here say it's alright if the dying person does consent before giving up the ghost, but as far as I see it, sex ain't enjoyable if your partner is unresponsive, and being dead is the end-all be-all of non-responsiveness.

(Let it be said that I am disgusted at the mere thought of necrophilia -- but "ick" ain't good enough for anyone.)
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Postby The Forsworn Knights » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:36 am

Screw your sister all you want.
Just take these adoption papers and this complimentary box of Condoms.

Jokes aside, if you can somehow convince your sibiling to screw you and you actively take preventative measures, go right for it. I dont care.

As far as Necrophilia, there would be a lot of headache, what with Forgery and family members who will stop at nothing to prevent the act. Though, if an agreement was signed next to a witness prior to the death, go for it until the body decomposes.


Remember though, there would still be the taboo, and most people will still go with the 'ICK factor' and say no.
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Postby Kauthar » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:40 am

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Lamaredia wrote:The left? The Swedish Liberal Party is center-right.

Actually in Sweden it is a bit different. Every ideology in Sweden is more toward left than its european counterparts. The "conservative" Moderate Party for instance allowed mass immigration to Sweden and flexibiled the laws so migrants cannot be deported.

Is Sweden a weird country?

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Postby Lamaredia » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:46 am

Kauthar wrote:
Pommerstan wrote:Actually in Sweden it is a bit different. Every ideology in Sweden is more toward left than its european counterparts. The "conservative" Moderate Party for instance allowed mass immigration to Sweden and flexibiled the laws so migrants cannot be deported.

Is Sweden a weird country?

and the democrats are the closest to right-wing in sweden

You mean what we have that is right-wing? Well, that's the Swedish Democrats, and they're previous nationalsocialists that are now just conservative nationalists. I would say they are quite right-wing, even by international standards.
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Mike the Progressive
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:10 am

The youth wing are fucking morons.

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Postby Blakullar » Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:34 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:The youth wing are fucking morons.

What they're agitating for doesn't strike me as moronic. Disgusting in my opinion, yes, but not particularly unreasonable.
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Postby Slakonian » Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:42 am

Blakullar wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:The youth wing are fucking morons.

What they're agitating for doesn't strike me as moronic. Disgusting in my opinion, yes, but not particularly unreasonable.

My guess they had a "party" involving God knows what and thus the topic of today....
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Postby Nordenkaltian Union » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:41 am

I think it's fine if everything is consensual

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