Swedish Liberals want to legalise necrophilia and incest

[The Rich Port]

... I'm not disagreeing with you on whether it's as wrong as incest. If anything, this would support what your were arguing with Jumalaarik about.

You specifically called necrophilia a sexual perversion.

However... You think it's simple, otherwise you wouldn't immediately jump on the bandwagon saying it's "no more different than any other sexual interest".

It's PLENTY different.

A foot fetish isn't even the same SPORT as necrophilia.

http://www.yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

Which is why I object to it being paired with consensual incest on the same bill.

It's like some guy trying to legalize zoophilia along with homosexuality.

No, it isn't. That's a false analogy. Zoophilia inherently involves a lack of consent.

... No I didn't. Where did I say that?

It's a paraphilia, as opposed to a DISORDER. A disorder has to be PATHOLOGICAL. Necrophilia, as you so helpfully pointed out, can be NON-PATHOLOGICAL, ergo, NOT A DISORDER/ILLNESS/WHATEVER POP PSYCHOLOGY TERMINOLOGY IS USED NOWADAYS.

... So, you think necrophilia isn't as simple as other paraphilia, then, and we can leave it out of the bill putting it alongside incest?

... And in most cases of necrophilia, consent is a huge problem, hence why the Liberals have proposed a rather clever solution of including it for some people. Hence why most of the U.S. has laws against the desecration of graves... Something people don't fucking appreciate, living or dead.

[Wallenburg]

... No I didn't. Where did I say that?

It's a paraphilia, as opposed to a DISORDER. A disorder has to be PATHOLOGICAL. Necrophilia, as you so helpfully pointed out, can be NON-PATHOLOGICAL, ergo, NOT A DISORDER/ILLNESS/WHATEVER POP PSYCHOLOGY TERMINOLOGY IS USED NOWADAYS.

A "paraphilia" is a "sexual perversion". A sexual perversion is not a disorder. Also, stop fucking yelling.

... So, you think necrophilia isn't as simple as other paraphilia, then, and we can leave it out of the bill putting it alongside incest?

What the fuck are you even talking about?

... And in most cases of necrophilia, consent is a huge problem,

I'd like some sauce on that claim.

hence why the Liberals have proposed a rather clever solution of including it for some people. Hence why most of the U.S. has laws against the desecration of graves... Something people don't fucking appreciate, living or dead.

This has literally nothing to do with graves.

[The Rich Port]

... No I didn't. Where did I say that?

It's a paraphilia, as opposed to a DISORDER. A disorder has to be PATHOLOGICAL. Necrophilia, as you so helpfully pointed out, can be NON-PATHOLOGICAL, ergo, NOT A DISORDER/ILLNESS/WHATEVER POP PSYCHOLOGY TERMINOLOGY IS USED NOWADAYS.

A "paraphilia" is a "sexual perversion". A sexual perversion is not a disorder. Also, stop fucking yelling.

... So, you think necrophilia isn't as simple as other paraphilia, then, and we can leave it out of the bill putting it alongside incest?

What the fuck are you even talking about?

... And in most cases of necrophilia, consent is a huge problem,

I'd like some sauce on that claim.

hence why the Liberals have proposed a rather clever solution of including it for some people. Hence why most of the U.S. has laws against the desecration of graves... Something people don't fucking appreciate, living or dead.

This has literally nothing to do with graves.

... "Sexual perversion" isn't a psychological term.

*sigh* Speaking of strawmen...

... You want a source on whether corpses can consent?

[Praetorianus]

I don't have a problem with this.

Of course! What else would you expect to come out the mouth of a neo-libertarian atheist? Sick fuckers.

[Wallenburg]

A "paraphilia" is a "sexual perversion". A sexual perversion is not a disorder. Also, stop fucking yelling.

What the fuck are you even talking about?

I'd like some sauce on that claim.

This has literally nothing to do with graves.

... "Sexual perversion" isn't a psychological term.

...

http://psychologydictionary.org/sexual-perversion/

*sigh* Speaking of strawmen...

... You want a source on whether corpses can consent?

1) How is asking for a source a strawman? Do you even know what a strawman is?
2) People can consent in their wills or by other means prior to death. Otherwise, that family chair your grandaunt left you would be stolen property, and embalming would be multiple battery.

[Praetorianus]

You pro-necrophiliacs and incest-enablers are some sick fucks. You go on and fuck your dead wife or husband in their grave. Hell, why don't you go Senior Bestiality and fuck a raccoon. Sweden can go screw themselves over, and give themselves HIV and AIDS from all of this; just get that shit away from our nation.

[The Rich Port]

... "Sexual perversion" isn't a psychological term.

...

http://psychologydictionary.org/sexual-perversion/

*sigh* Speaking of strawmen...

... You want a source on whether corpses can consent?

1) How is asking for a source a strawman? Do you even know what a strawman is?
2) People can consent in their wills or by other means prior to death. Otherwise, that family chair your grandaunt left you would be stolen property, and embalming would be multiple battery.

BY A COMMUNITY... Not, say, a psychologist, or the DSM-5.

... I never said necrophilia is inherently wrong. It just isn't healthy in the grand scheem of things.

... So, yeah, it's similar to zoophilia, in the regard that one or two parties can't consent through normal means.

You can't get verbal consent from an animal or a corpse.

GEDDIT?

[Wallenburg]

...

http://psychologydictionary.org/sexual-perversion/

1) How is asking for a source a strawman? Do you even know what a strawman is?
2) People can consent in their wills or by other means prior to death. Otherwise, that family chair your grandaunt left you would be stolen property, and embalming would be multiple battery.

BY A COMMUNITY... Not, say, a psychologist, or the DSM-5.

I'm fairly certain a psychologist wrote that definition. However, if you don't think that's enough, I'd like to see your "psychological definition" of the term "paraphilia".

... I never said necrophilia is inherently wrong. It just isn't healthy in the grand scheem of things.

Eating a cheeseburger isn't healthy in the grand scheme of things. In fact, it's probably more dangerous than necrophilia.

... So, yeah, it's similar to zoophilia, in the regard that one or two parties can't consent through normal means.

No, it isn't similar. With zoophilia, one party cannot consent at all. With necrophilia, the deceased can sign a document expressing consent.

You can't get verbal consent from an animal or a corpse.

GEDDIT?

I didn't realize verbal consent was necessary to do something with someone's property. That chick at the airport owes me $2.59, I guess. I never said I wanted her to take my money for that bottle of water.

And again, please stop yelling.

[Farnhamia]

You pro-necrophiliacs and incest-enablers are some sick fucks. You go on and fuck your dead wife or husband in their grave. Hell, why don't you go Senior Bestiality and fuck a raccoon. Sweden can go screw themselves over, and give themselves HIV and AIDS from all of this; just get that shit away from our nation.

Disagree all you like but you will do it in a civil manner. if you find yourself getting this angry, step away and do not post. That way you'll avoid getting *** warned for trolling. ***

[The Rich Port]

BY A COMMUNITY... Not, say, a psychologist, or the DSM-5.

I'm fairly certain a psychologist wrote that definition. However, if you don't think that's enough, I'd like to see your "psychological definition" of the term "paraphilia".

... I never said necrophilia is inherently wrong. It just isn't healthy in the grand scheem of things.

Eating a cheeseburger isn't healthy in the grand scheme of things. In fact, it's probably more dangerous than necrophilia.

... So, yeah, it's similar to zoophilia, in the regard that one or two parties can't consent through normal means.

No, it isn't similar. With zoophilia, one party cannot consent at all. With necrophilia, the deceased can sign a document expressing consent.

You can't get verbal consent from an animal or a corpse.

GEDDIT?

I didn't realize verbal consent was necessary to do something with someone's property. That chick at the airport owes me $2.59, I guess. I never said I wanted her to take my money for that bottle of water.

And again, please stop yelling.

And you know what? I'm fine with a document. It's not my business.

Maybe brush up on psychology, for fuck's sake.

Also, this is for EMPHASIS. Because ITALICS are TIME-CONSUMING and MORE OR LESS THE SAME THING.

NOW I'M YELLING. BECAUSE THIS IS STUPID.

[Praetorianus]

You pro-necrophiliacs and incest-enablers are some sick fucks. You go on and fuck your dead wife or husband in their grave. Hell, why don't you go Senior Bestiality and fuck a raccoon. Sweden can go screw themselves over, and give themselves HIV and AIDS from all of this; just get that shit away from our nation.

Disagree all you like but you will do it in a civil manner. if you find yourself getting this angry, step away and do not post. That way you'll avoid getting *** warned for trolling. ***

You know what? You're right. I need a breather. Because I think I just walked into the NationStates Psychotic Sick-Fantasy Mental Hospital. My God, man. I'm gonna throw up.

[The Rich Port]

Disagree all you like but you will do it in a civil manner. if you find yourself getting this angry, step away and do not post. That way you'll avoid getting *** warned for trolling. ***

You know what? You're right. I need a breather. Because I think I just walked into the NationStates Psychotic Sick-Fantasy Mental Hospital. My God, man. I'm gonna throw up.

It's called "the real world", kid. Welcome.

[Farnhamia]

Disagree all you like but you will do it in a civil manner. if you find yourself getting this angry, step away and do not post. That way you'll avoid getting *** warned for trolling. ***

You know what? You're right. I need a breather. Because I think I just walked into the NationStates Psychotic Sick-Fantasy Mental Hospital. My God, man. I'm gonna throw up.

Take a walk around the block. When you come back, consider that the proposal under discussion was made by a very small faction within the Swedish Liberal party and has about as much chance of becoming law as ... well, it's more likely we'll see Mitch McConnell kiss President Obama at a joint press conference and say, "Hey, we were just kidding, let's go pass some of the bills you want."

[Praetorianus]

You know what? You're right. I need a breather. Because I think I just walked into the NationStates Psychotic Sick-Fantasy Mental Hospital. My God, man. I'm gonna throw up.

It's called "the real world", kid. Welcome.

Yeah, (sarcastically) because a sane person would have sex with a 10 year old rotting corpse. That's REAL life.

[Gauthier]

You know what? You're right. I need a breather. Because I think I just walked into the NationStates Psychotic Sick-Fantasy Mental Hospital. My God, man. I'm gonna throw up.

It's called "the real world", kid. Welcome.

If NationStates makes him sick, the rest of the internet might just kill him.

[Wallenburg]

And you know what? I'm fine with a document. It's not my business.

"It's not my business" is not the message you've been sending me. Nor is your allowance for a written form of consent.

Maybe brush up on psychology, for fuck's sake.

Even if I had the time and money, why should I?

Also, this is for EMPHASIS. Because ITALICS are TIME-CONSUMING and MORE OR LESS THE SAME THING.

NOW I'M YELLING. BECAUSE THIS IS STUPID.

Yeah, that's real easy to tell apart.

[The Rich Port]

It's called "the real world", kid. Welcome.

Yeah, (sarcastically) because a sane person would have sex with a 10 year old rotting corpse. That's REAL life.

... The real world is rather insane, yes.

And you know what? I'm fine with a document. It's not my business.

"It's not my business" is not the message you've been sending me. Nor is your allowance for a written form of consent.

Maybe brush up on psychology, for fuck's sake.

Even if I had the time and money, why should I?

Also, this is for EMPHASIS. Because ITALICS are TIME-CONSUMING and MORE OR LESS THE SAME THING.

NOW I'M YELLING. BECAUSE THIS IS STUPID.

Yeah, that's real easy to tell apart.

Because then you wouldn't be ignorant about psychology.

Or maybe even learn how to read a dictionary. Also, read, in general. I didn't say AllPsych isn't a reliable source... I said you were reading it incorrectly.

[Wallenburg]

Because then you wouldn't be ignorant about psychology.

I don't need a fucking concentration in psychology to discuss social issues like these.

Or maybe even learn how to read a dictionary. Also, read, in general. I didn't say AllPsych isn't a reliable source... I said you were reading it incorrectly.

1) I know how to read, thank you.
2) I haven't misinterpreted the definition.

[Morogravia]

The youth wing of the Swedish Liberal party has filed a motion to legalize necrophilia and incest

May I humbly suggest you rename this thread to:

The youth wing of the conservative Swedish Liberal Party suggests consensual necrophilia and incest are legalized

to reduce the confusion and save people a lot of time? Many Americans may easily mistake "Swedish Liberals" for "Swedish leftist", but it's actually the opposite.

What actually happened is, a small youth wing of a small conservative party were seeking media attention. That's all. There are no motions filed, just a plain silly idea floated. It didn't deserve any serious attention, neither in the media nor anywhere else. Every other organization and political party in Sweden, including their own, immediately rejected their idea. There is not a chance in hell this will ever be brought before the parliament. Case closed.

[Maurepas]

I don't really see the problem as long as it was consensual all around.

[Leudal (Ancient)]

And it should be legal indeed.

[Gauthier]

The youth wing of the Swedish Liberal party has filed a motion to legalize necrophilia and incest

May I humbly suggest you rename this thread to:

The youth wing of the conservative Swedish Liberal Party suggests consensual necrophilia and incest are legalized

to reduce the confusion and save people a lot of time? Many Americans may easily mistake "Swedish Liberals" for "Swedish leftist", but it's actually the opposite.

What actually happened is, a small youth wing of a small conservative party were seeking media attention. That's all. There are no motions filed, just a plain silly idea floated. It didn't deserve any serious attention, neither in the media nor anywhere else. Every other organization and political party in Sweden, including their own, immediately rejected their idea. There is not a chance in hell this will ever be brought before the parliament. Case closed.

Only real reason this got attention was it stroked the confirmation biases of people who insist Sweden is a degenerate rapetastic Islamic state.

[Ifreann]

May I humbly suggest you rename this thread to:

The youth wing of the conservative Swedish Liberal Party suggests consensual necrophilia and incest are legalized

to reduce the confusion and save people a lot of time? Many Americans may easily mistake "Swedish Liberals" for "Swedish leftist", but it's actually the opposite.

What actually happened is, a small youth wing of a small conservative party were seeking media attention. That's all. There are no motions filed, just a plain silly idea floated. It didn't deserve any serious attention, neither in the media nor anywhere else. Every other organization and political party in Sweden, including their own, immediately rejected their idea. There is not a chance in hell this will ever be brought before the parliament. Case closed.

Only real reason this got attention was it stroked the confirmation biases of people who insist Sweden is a degenerate rapetastic Islamic state.

I think there's meant to be something about cuckoos too.

[Fartsniffage]

Only real reason this got attention was it stroked the confirmation biases of people who insist Sweden is a degenerate rapetastic Islamic state.

I think there's meant to be something about cuckoos too.

Isn't that Austria?

[Ifreann]

I think there's meant to be something about cuckoos too.

Isn't that Austria?

Eh, it's all the one. #euronationalism