Swedish Liberals want to legalise necrophilia and incest

[Galloism]

Like this?

I feel I know that..... Bram Stokers Dracula?

Nope, but you're close.

[Alyakia]

Dear god , the left wants to do what ? This is just disturbing ...

What left?

to play devils advocate, can you think of any reason why, in addition to cutting it up or burning it, having sex with the body of a person who pre-authortized it should be illegal beyond "eww"? who is the victim of this crime?

Well, perhaps we can think of it this way. Consent has to be a constant thing, yes? If I consented to sex with you yesterday, and tell you I want to do it again today, if I get drunk and pass out now, having sex with me would still be rape. It seems only consistent to apply that to a corpse, no?

but if we use these rules then we can't selectively apply them, meaning we need to apply the standards for consent and specifically those standards for consent to all cases, which retroactively bans organ donation or possibly even any kind of post-death treatment of the body

the rules for informed consent for sex and informed consent for medical procedures being generally the same with the obvious exceptions

[Alvecia]

One should hope necrophilia doesn't produce children either.

I read somewhere that a man's sperm doesn't die until about 24 hours after his body dies.

I think it would make sense that all of the cells in a body don't just cease the function when you die. 24 hours is admittedly a while, but they are kind of self contained unlike mist of the body.

[Ostroeuropa]

Dear god , the left wants to do what ? This is just disturbing ...

What left?

to play devils advocate, can you think of any reason why, in addition to cutting it up or burning it, having sex with the body of a person who pre-authortized it should be illegal beyond "eww"? who is the victim of this crime?

Well, perhaps we can think of it this way. Consent has to be a constant thing, yes? If I consented to sex with you yesterday, and tell you I want to do it again today, if I get drunk and pass out now, having sex with me would still be rape. It seems only consistent to apply that to a corpse, no?

How does this standard also apply to organ donation? We have to do it awake now?

Also, If I hack off someones arm and then masturbate with it, I haven't committed sexual assault.

The arm is no longer attached to their sentience and can no longer be said to properly be "Them."

A corpse is not a person. it has no rights. It is an object. It cannot consent.

[Val Halla]

Liberals Youth League in Stockholm wants to make it legal with incest. The proposal, presented at the Youth League's annual meeting today saying that siblings over 15 years to be with each other's consent have sex.

- We do not generally about moral laws, this law protects no one right now. We are a youth organization and one of our tasks is to think one step further. I understand that it can be considered unusual and disgusting but the law can not assume that it's disgusting, says Cecilia Johnsson, Flux President in Stockholm.

"Shall lie with the"

Meanwhile, the Youth League made a decision that it should permit a form of necrophilia. Anyone who wants to get bequeath to others are allowed to have sex with the body after it is dead.

- You should get to decide what happens to your body after you die, and if it happens to be that one wants to bequeath his body to the museum or research, or if you want to bequeath to someone to sleep with it then it should be part okay, says Cecilia Johnsson.

- It takes itself even after his death, she says.

"No reasonable proposal"

Adam Alfredsson, spokesperson for the Liberals, says that these proposals are nothing like the mother party endorses. Incest is and should remain illegal.

- We reject Liberal Youth in Stockholm's proposal that there should be no change in the legislation.

How do you imagine to be able to bequeath his body to necrophilia?

- We think it will continue to be illegal to use a dead man's body in such a way, says Adam Alfredsson.

Well...I can understand legalizing incest, but doesn't necrophilia have sanitary risks beyond those associated with normal sex?

I dunno. Probably. I guess you take precautions and stuff like with anything unsanitary

Also I like the translation

[MERIZoC]

What left?


Well, perhaps we can think of it this way. Consent has to be a constant thing, yes? If I consented to sex with you yesterday, and tell you I want to do it again today, if I get drunk and pass out now, having sex with me would still be rape. It seems only consistent to apply that to a corpse, no?

How does this standard also apply to organ donation? We have to do it awake now?

Also, If I hack off someones arm and then masturbate with it, I haven't committed sexual assault.

The arm is no longer attached to their sentience and can no longer be said to properly be "Them."

A corpse is not a person. it has no rights. It is an object. It cannot consent.

Then why do we ask for the consent of the person while they're living?

[Ostroeuropa]

How does this standard also apply to organ donation? We have to do it awake now?

Also, If I hack off someones arm and then masturbate with it, I haven't committed sexual assault.

The arm is no longer attached to their sentience and can no longer be said to properly be "Them."

A corpse is not a person. it has no rights. It is an object. It cannot consent.

Then why do we ask for the consent of the person while they're living?

Property rights and inheritance, I suppose. They've specified the manner in which their previous belongings should be dealt with, including body.

[Great Feng]

Incest?
Sure.
Necrophilia?
FUCK NO!

Why specifically not?
I guess the presumption by many is that they will have permission from the newly deceased.

Incest is between two human living beings who may love each other, necrophilia is abuse of dead humans sexually.

[MERIZoC]

http://nyheteridag.se/luf-vill-tillata-incest-och-nekrofili-men-inte-hmf-den-lagstiftningen-skyddar-manniskor/

The story seems legit, though it's worth noting that it's just the Stockholm branch leader suggesting this¹, not the leader of the whole LUF (Youth wing of the Liberal party). In addition, the proposal has been met with some significant criticism by Liberal figures (see Jenny Sonesson’s tweet). I highly doubt this is going anywhere fast, given that no major party figures have expressed support for this endeavor. Seems to just be a kid up to their own shenanigans.


¹I think

[Galloism]

Why specifically not?
I guess the presumption by many is that they will have permission from the newly deceased.

Incest is between two human living beings who may love each other, necrophilia is abuse of dead humans sexually.

How does one abuse the dead?

[Alvecia]

Why specifically not?
I guess the presumption by many is that they will have permission from the newly deceased.

Incest is between two human living beings who may love each other, necrophilia is abuse of dead humans sexually.

It wouldn't be abuse if consent was obtained perimortem antemortem.

[Great Feng]

Incest is between two human living beings who may love each other, necrophilia is abuse of dead humans sexually.

How does one abuse the dead?

They fuck them without their permission. Also...It just is creepy. Why fuck a dead person when you can fuck a living one? That makes more sense. In my opinion, sex is meant to be pleasurable for both people, not just one. Rape is where it is meant to be pleasurable for one person, and if is done on a person who cannot give their permission or are being fucked against their will.

[Alyakia]

What left?


Well, perhaps we can think of it this way. Consent has to be a constant thing, yes? If I consented to sex with you yesterday, and tell you I want to do it again today, if I get drunk and pass out now, having sex with me would still be rape. It seems only consistent to apply that to a corpse, no?

How does this standard also apply to organ donation? We have to do it awake now?

Also, If I hack off someones arm and then masturbate with it, I haven't committed sexual assault.

The arm is no longer attached to their sentience and can no longer be said to properly be "Them."

A corpse is not a person. it has no rights. It is an object. It cannot consent.

yes. that is the entire point. a person had to consent, but a corpse cannot consent. so it cannot consent to sex. but if it cannot consent, then it cannot consent, to anything.

if what was said during life stops mattering when they die, nothing can be done.
if one thing counts but the other doesn't for no discernible reason, then the model is inconsistent.

[Kanatistan]

Incest?... Well we are going to have ourselves a bunch of Swedish rednecks, good job.

[Ostroeuropa]

How does this standard also apply to organ donation? We have to do it awake now?

Also, If I hack off someones arm and then masturbate with it, I haven't committed sexual assault.

The arm is no longer attached to their sentience and can no longer be said to properly be "Them."

A corpse is not a person. it has no rights. It is an object. It cannot consent.

yes. that is the entire point. a person had to consent, but a corpse cannot consent. so it cannot consent to sex. but if it cannot consent, then it cannot consent, to anything.

But its consent isn't required either.

[MERIZoC]

Then why do we ask for the consent of the person while they're living?

Property rights and inheritance, I suppose. They've specified the manner in which their previous belongings should be dealt with, including body.

You aren't your own property though, under the law at least. There are laws against prostitution, drug use, etc.

[Galloism]

How does one abuse the dead?

They fuck them without their permission. Also...It just is creepy. Why fuck a dead person when you can fuck a living one? That makes more sense. In my opinion, sex is meant to be pleasurable for both people, not just one. Rape is where it is meant to be pleasurable for one person, and if is done on a person who cannot give their permission or are being fucked against their will.

I mean, it's clearly creepy, but I'm not sure the dead can "suffer abuse" really.

They're dead.

I mean, it's like making it kidnapping to move a corpse without its permission.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

How does one abuse the dead?

They fuck them without their permission. Also...It just is creepy. Why fuck a dead person when you can fuck a living one? That makes more sense. In my opinion, sex is meant to be pleasurable for both people, not just one. Rape is where it is meant to be pleasurable for one person, and if is done on a person who cannot give their permission or are being fucked against their will.

Because you have a paraphilia. That's why. People who have a desire to have sex with the dead have a paraphilia.

[Great Feng]

Incest?... Well we are going to have ourselves a bunch of Swedish rednecks, good job.

WTF is morally wrong with incest?
All I always hear is the "They're your family!" argument. Granted they could produce fucked-up kids, but that can be avoided if one uses protection.

[Alyakia]

yes. that is the entire point. a person had to consent, but a corpse cannot consent. so it cannot consent to sex. but if it cannot consent, then it cannot consent, to anything.

But its consent isn't required either.

depends on the local law. there's a reason donor cards exist. and then there's next of kin issues.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

I mean consented incest I can kind of understand, but since the dead cannot really consent ( unless you try your hand at divine resurrection) then not sure about that.

[Great Feng]

They fuck them without their permission. Also...It just is creepy. Why fuck a dead person when you can fuck a living one? That makes more sense. In my opinion, sex is meant to be pleasurable for both people, not just one. Rape is where it is meant to be pleasurable for one person, and if is done on a person who cannot give their permission or are being fucked against their will.

I mean, it's clearly creepy, but I'm not sure the dead can "suffer abuse" really.

They're dead.

I mean, it's like making it kidnapping to move a corpse without its permission.

I guess when you put it like that...it's okay if they come up with sanitary ways to do it.
Still creepy though in my opinion.
But...live and let live.

[Luziyca]

A corpse does not have the ability to consent, not even if it agreed to do so in a well. As for the latter part, the last time we did that, we ended up with Charles II of Spain.

Interestingly enough, he demanded on multiple occasions that his dead parents be dug back up from the grave so he could see them. Necrophilia-incest crossover, perhaps?

Damn.

[Farnhamia]

Incest is between two human living beings who may love each other, necrophilia is abuse of dead humans sexually.

How does one abuse the dead?

Well ...

[Great Feng]

How does one abuse the dead?

Well ...

I can never unsee that...