Another Moral Dilemma For You To Feast On

[Sanctissima]

To be frank, she's a private business owner. She should be allowed to sell what she wants.

That being said, her reasons for not selling the morning-after pill are a bit odd, since all it does is prevent fertilization.

Some people have a religious objection to condoms.

Eh, in the OP it was specified that her objection was due to her pro-life stance:

"I am not prepared to supply the pill over the counter, as I see conception as a potential life, with a soul, so I will not sell it as I consider this as ending another's life."

I mean, that's not how the morning-after pill works. As far as I'm aware, it just prevents fertilization, so the reason she states why she won't sell it is wrong.

[Greed and Death]

Some people have a religious objection to condoms.

Eh, in the OP it was specified that her objection was due to her pro-life stance:

"I am not prepared to supply the pill over the counter, as I see conception as a potential life, with a soul, so I will not sell it as I consider this as ending another's life."

I mean, that's not how the morning-after pill works. As far as I'm aware, it just prevents fertilization, so the reason she states why she won't sell it is wrong.

I would recommend she go to pharmacy school to learn better, but she already did.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The reason she isn't taking the course is because, and she said it, it goes against her morals. She's forcing people to go see a doctor when the morning after-pill can very easily be sold OTC. A medication, I may add, that has a narrow window opportunity to work. Not everyone will be able to get a prescription in the allotted time. So she is indeed having her morals dictate how she's going to do her job and how others will get the morning-after pill.

At the same token I do not see forcing her out of the economy because her morality forbids action as beneficial to society. She is the pharmacist for this town because she either is the only one willing to do it (few grad school graduates want to live in BFE making a fraction of what they could in the city), or she is the most efficient at it. Either way closing up shop hurts the town by depriving them of their most efficient and possibly only pharmacist.

Yes women may have to drive 2 hours round trip or take the bus 3 hours round trip to get the pills OTC, or go to a clinic (that likely knows local conditions and has a expedited scrip process for Plan B pills). But the alternative may be everyone must drive to the next town not just women in on particular situation.

I don't think her moral dilemma should force women to have to drive 2 hours or take a 3 hour bus trip and go to another town in order to be helped.

[Greed and Death]

At the same token I do not see forcing her out of the economy because her morality forbids action as beneficial to society. She is the pharmacist for this town because she either is the only one willing to do it (few grad school graduates want to live in BFE making a fraction of what they could in the city), or she is the most efficient at it. Either way closing up shop hurts the town by depriving them of their most efficient and possibly only pharmacist.

Yes women may have to drive 2 hours round trip or take the bus 3 hours round trip to get the pills OTC, or go to a clinic (that likely knows local conditions and has a expedited scrip process for Plan B pills). But the alternative may be everyone must drive to the next town not just women in on particular situation.

I don't think her moral dilemma should force women to have to drive 2 hours or take a 3 hour bus trip and go to another town in order to be helped.

Life is sometimes inconvenient. It is a rural community driving 2 hours should be a fairly common life event.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I don't think her moral dilemma should force women to have to drive 2 hours or take a 3 hour bus trip and go to another town in order to be helped.

Life is sometimes inconvenient. It is a rural community driving 2 hours should be a fairly common life event.

Not for medication, no.

[Sanctissima]

At the same token I do not see forcing her out of the economy because her morality forbids action as beneficial to society. She is the pharmacist for this town because she either is the only one willing to do it (few grad school graduates want to live in BFE making a fraction of what they could in the city), or she is the most efficient at it. Either way closing up shop hurts the town by depriving them of their most efficient and possibly only pharmacist.

Yes women may have to drive 2 hours round trip or take the bus 3 hours round trip to get the pills OTC, or go to a clinic (that likely knows local conditions and has a expedited scrip process for Plan B pills). But the alternative may be everyone must drive to the next town not just women in on particular situation.

I don't think her moral dilemma should force women to have to drive 2 hours or take a 3 hour bus trip and go to another town in order to be helped.

It's her private business. Her reasoning may be wrong, but you can't exactly force her to sell products that she doesn't want to sell.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I don't think her moral dilemma should force women to have to drive 2 hours or take a 3 hour bus trip and go to another town in order to be helped.

It's her private business. Her reasoning may be wrong, but you can't exactly force her to sell products that she doesn't want to sell.

San, she sells it. But she's forcing people to go get a prescription for a medication that can be sold OTC. The problem is that the morning-after pill, Plan B, has a narrow window of effectiveness. If someone cannot get to see a doctor within the 72 hours in which the pill works, to get the pill prescribed, then they cannot get the medication they need. She's own the only pharmacy in town. Now you tell me, is her moral dilemma (and she mentioned what it is in the OP) reason enough to make a woman drive 2 hours away into another town or take a 3 hour bus trip, just so they can get service for a medication that is already approved for OTC dispensing and they can very well get in their own town but can't because this lady refuses to take the course that would allow her to sell it OTC because she has a moral objection to something that prevents fertilization? I don't think so.

[Sanctissima]

It's her private business. Her reasoning may be wrong, but you can't exactly force her to sell products that she doesn't want to sell.

San, she sells it. But she's forcing people to go get a prescription for a medication that can be sold OTC. The problem is that the morning-after pill, Plan B, has a narrow window of effectiveness. If someone cannot get to see a doctor within the 72 hours in which the pill works, to get the pill prescribed, then they cannot get the medication they need. She's own the only pharmacy in town. Now you tell me, is her moral dilemma (and she mentioned what it is in the OP) reason enough to make a woman drive 2 hours away into another town or take a 3 hour bus trip, just so they can get service for a medication that is already approved for OTC dispensing and they can very well get in their own town but can't because this lady refuses to take the course that would allow her to sell it OTC because she has a moral objection to something that prevents fertilization? I don't think so.

The alternative is to force her to sell it, which could very well result in her closing up shop and moving elsewhere. Then, rather than the town having a pharmacy that doesn't sell morning-after pills, the town would have no pharmacy whatsoever. Frankly, if the government wants to avoid problems like this, they should nationalize the industry rather than playing cat and mouse with the private sector.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

San, she sells it. But she's forcing people to go get a prescription for a medication that can be sold OTC. The problem is that the morning-after pill, Plan B, has a narrow window of effectiveness. If someone cannot get to see a doctor within the 72 hours in which the pill works, to get the pill prescribed, then they cannot get the medication they need. She's own the only pharmacy in town. Now you tell me, is her moral dilemma (and she mentioned what it is in the OP) reason enough to make a woman drive 2 hours away into another town or take a 3 hour bus trip, just so they can get service for a medication that is already approved for OTC dispensing and they can very well get in their own town but can't because this lady refuses to take the course that would allow her to sell it OTC because she has a moral objection to something that prevents fertilization? I don't think so.

The alternative is to force her to sell it, which could very well result in her closing up shop and moving elsewhere. Then, rather than the town having a pharmacy that doesn't sell morning-after pills, the town would have no pharmacy whatsoever. Frankly, if the government wants to avoid problems like this, they should nationalize the industry rather than playing cat and mouse with the private sector.

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They should have all pharmacies, private or otherwise, comply with the OTC status of the medication. And if you don't want to do that, as a gov't, then yes, nationalize the industry. This is very much like trying to refuse service to someone because they're black and you're a racist. I don't think that you should get to refuse someone service on the basis of their race. Your moral opposition to something is irrelevant.

[Zoice]

It's a lot easier and cheaper to just have every pharmacy do it right rather than having to put up a new one every time a pharmacy doesn't meet the code. It's better to do something right the first time than to have to fix it afterwards.

Which isn't what you were asked. I see that you're dead set on avoiding questions rather than answering them. It looks like you're embarrassed by your position

The harm comes from the possibility that the private pharmacist or hospital would have problems, like not stocking certain important drugs, or having unqualified people, or other ways that people in the healthcare sector could hurt you, and there isn't the government oversight to stop it. The reason we can't just have both is because the presence of the private institutions will make the government buildings less funded, it would result in some people only having access to the private version because there wasn't enough funding to put in an extra pharmacy, and then this could happen again.

[Coalition of Minor Planets]

Life is sometimes inconvenient. It is a rural community driving 2 hours should be a fairly common life event.

Not for medication, no.

Maybe you've never spent much time in rural areas, but that's perfectly normal. Many rural areas cannot economically support many businesses. When you need something 'from town' you drive there to get it.

[Coalition of Minor Planets]

Which isn't what you were asked. I see that you're dead set on avoiding questions rather than answering them. It looks like you're embarrassed by your position

The harm comes from the possibility that the private pharmacist or hospital would have problems, like not stocking certain important drugs, or having unqualified people, or other ways that people in the healthcare sector could hurt you, and there isn't the government oversight to stop it. The reason we can't just have both is because the presence of the private institutions will make the government buildings less funded, it would result in some people only having access to the private version because there wasn't enough funding to put in an extra pharmacy, and then this could happen again.

So, in other words, it isn't so much that access that is what you want (since you're apparently not willing to properly fund it), as control over private businesses. 'We shouldn't allow private businesses because people might choose to use them' just doesn't cut it as an argument

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Not for medication, no.

Maybe you've never spent much time in rural areas, but that's perfectly normal. Many rural areas cannot economically support many businesses. When you need something 'from town' you drive there to get it.

I live in a small town, in a rural area of the Southern US. There are several pharmacies in town, including a Walgreens. Walmart has a pharmacy on site too, which is 15 minutes away, as well as the other local grocery stores.

[Sanctissima]

The alternative is to force her to sell it, which could very well result in her closing up shop and moving elsewhere. Then, rather than the town having a pharmacy that doesn't sell morning-after pills, the town would have no pharmacy whatsoever. Frankly, if the government wants to avoid problems like this, they should nationalize the industry rather than playing cat and mouse with the private sector.

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They should have all pharmacies, private or otherwise, comply with the OTC status of the medication. And if you don't want to do that, as a gov't, then yes, nationalize the industry. This is very much like trying to refuse service to someone because they're black and you're a racist. I don't think that you should get to refuse someone service on the basis of their race. Your moral opposition to something is irrelevant.

Eh, their loss if they don't want the customers.

[Zoice]

The harm comes from the possibility that the private pharmacist or hospital would have problems, like not stocking certain important drugs, or having unqualified people, or other ways that people in the healthcare sector could hurt you, and there isn't the government oversight to stop it. The reason we can't just have both is because the presence of the private institutions will make the government buildings less funded, it would result in some people only having access to the private version because there wasn't enough funding to put in an extra pharmacy, and then this could happen again.

So, in other words, it isn't so much that access that is what you want (since you're apparently not willing to properly fund it), as control over private businesses. 'We shouldn't allow private businesses because people might choose to use them' just doesn't cut it as an argument

Oh Jesus Fuck stop trying to read my mind, you're really really bad at it.

If you don't have government control over it, then theu can accidentally hurt people. Hence the need for governmen control.

[Coalition of Minor Planets]

It's her private business. Her reasoning may be wrong, but you can't exactly force her to sell products that she doesn't want to sell.

San, she sells it. But she's forcing people to go get a prescription for a medication that can be sold OTC. The problem is that the morning-after pill, Plan B, has a narrow window of effectiveness. If someone cannot get to see a doctor within the 72 hours in which the pill works, to get the pill prescribed, then they cannot get the medication they need. She's own the only pharmacy in town. Now you tell me, is her moral dilemma (and she mentioned what it is in the OP) reason enough to make a woman drive 2 hours away into another town or take a 3 hour bus trip, just so they can get service for a medication that is already approved for OTC dispensing and they can very well get in their own town but can't because this lady refuses to take the course that would allow her to sell it OTC because she has a moral objection to something that prevents fertilization? I don't think so.

She's not forcing anyone to do anything. The people remain free to purchase the pill with or without prescription, they remain free to use it or not. The only thing she is doing is exercising her rights as an individual.

There is no justification for violating those rights. Her stated objection is one of ignorance of how the medication works. The proper method is to inform her, and then try convincing her from there.

[Coalition of Minor Planets]

Maybe you've never spent much time in rural areas, but that's perfectly normal. Many rural areas cannot economically support many businesses. When you need something 'from town' you drive there to get it.

I live in a small town, in a rural area of the Southern US. There are several pharmacies in town, including a Walgreens. Walmart has a pharmacy on site too, which is 15 minutes away, as well as the other local grocery stores.

Sure doesn't sound like you live in a small town. What's the name of it?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

San, she sells it. But she's forcing people to go get a prescription for a medication that can be sold OTC. The problem is that the morning-after pill, Plan B, has a narrow window of effectiveness. If someone cannot get to see a doctor within the 72 hours in which the pill works, to get the pill prescribed, then they cannot get the medication they need. She's own the only pharmacy in town. Now you tell me, is her moral dilemma (and she mentioned what it is in the OP) reason enough to make a woman drive 2 hours away into another town or take a 3 hour bus trip, just so they can get service for a medication that is already approved for OTC dispensing and they can very well get in their own town but can't because this lady refuses to take the course that would allow her to sell it OTC because she has a moral objection to something that prevents fertilization? I don't think so.

She's not forcing anyone to do anything. The people remain free to purchase the pill with or without prescription, they remain free to use it or not. The only thing she is doing is exercising her rights as an individual.

There is no justification for violating those rights. Her stated objection is one of ignorance of how the medication works. The proper method is to inform her, and then try convincing her from there.

*sigh* You do realize that she owns the only pharmacy in town. She's forcing women to get a prescription for something that can be sold OTC. If a woman cannot get a prescription within 3 days, the morning-after pill won't help them. Why should a woman have to drive 2 hours to another town to get something she can very well get in her town, comfortably, just because the owner of the pharmacy is an ignorant twat?

[Coalition of Minor Planets]

So, in other words, it isn't so much that access that is what you want (since you're apparently not willing to properly fund it), as control over private businesses. 'We shouldn't allow private businesses because people might choose to use them' just doesn't cut it as an argument

Oh Jesus Fuck stop trying to read my mind, you're really really bad at it.

If you don't have government control over it, then theu can accidentally hurt people. Hence the need for governmen control.

Silly statement. I'm not trying to read your mind. I'm just reading your posts.

Come on, back up your statements: how does someone purchasing a medication from one pharmacy OTC instead of another one involve people accidentally getting hurt?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I live in a small town, in a rural area of the Southern US. There are several pharmacies in town, including a Walgreens. Walmart has a pharmacy on site too, which is 15 minutes away, as well as the other local grocery stores.

Sure doesn't sound like you live in a small town. What's the name of it?

It's in Northern AR.

[Coalition of Minor Planets]

She's not forcing anyone to do anything. The people remain free to purchase the pill with or without prescription, they remain free to use it or not. The only thing she is doing is exercising her rights as an individual.

There is no justification for violating those rights. Her stated objection is one of ignorance of how the medication works. The proper method is to inform her, and then try convincing her from there.

*sigh* You do realize that she owns the only pharmacy in town. She's forcing women to get a prescription for something that can be sold OTC. If a woman cannot get a prescription within 3 days, the morning-after pill won't help them.

She's not forcing any such thing. They remain perfectly free to go purchase it OTC elsewhere or to not get it at all. Those are their decisions, not hers, and she isn't forcing them to make any particular choice.

Why should a woman have to drive 2 hours to another town to get something she can very well get in her town, comfortably, just because the owner of the pharmacy is an ignorant twat?

They don't have to do so. They remain perfectly free to purchase is with a prescription or not purchase it at all. They made the choice to live in the town. If they don't like living far away from other businesses, then they have only themselves to blame.

[Coalition of Minor Planets]

Sure doesn't sound like you live in a small town. What's the name of it?

It's in Northern AR.

I'm not familiar with "in Northern AR" Well, at the very least, you people sure like to give your towns funny names

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

*sigh* You do realize that she owns the only pharmacy in town. She's forcing women to get a prescription for something that can be sold OTC. If a woman cannot get a prescription within 3 days, the morning-after pill won't help them.

She's not forcing any such thing. They remain perfectly free to go purchase it OTC elsewhere or to not get it at all. Those are their decisions, not hers, and she isn't forcing them to make any particular choice.

Why should a woman have to drive 2 hours to another town to get something she can very well get in her town, comfortably, just because the owner of the pharmacy is an ignorant twat?

They don't have to do so. They remain perfectly free to purchase is with a prescription or not purchase it at all. They made the choice to live in the town. If they don't like living far away from other businesses, then they have only themselves to blame.

I don't think it is their fault. It is the fault of the ignorant twat pharmacy owner. If you cannot stay current with medical advances because of your religion or whatever the fuck it is, then you probably should not be dispensing medication in any way.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

It's in Northern AR.

I'm not familiar with "in Northern AR" Well, at the very least, you people sure like to give your towns funny names

I do not know you. I am not going to give you the name of the town I live in.

[Coalition of Minor Planets]

She's not forcing any such thing. They remain perfectly free to go purchase it OTC elsewhere or to not get it at all. Those are their decisions, not hers, and she isn't forcing them to make any particular choice.



They don't have to do so. They remain perfectly free to purchase is with a prescription or not purchase it at all. They made the choice to live in the town. If they don't like living far away from other businesses, then they have only themselves to blame.

I don't think it is their fault. It is the fault of the ignorant twat pharmacy owner.

That's obviously silly. The pharmacy owner is not the one who chose for those people to live there.

If you cannot stay current with medical advances because of your religion or whatever the fuck it is, then you probably should not be dispensing medication in any way.

Fortunately, if you do not approve of what she stocks, you possess the perfect response: not doing business there.