Another Moral Dilemma For You To Feast On

[Digital Planets]

Don't want to get pregnant?

Don't fuck.

Or be responsible and buy your own damn contraceptive devices/pills.

What's that one thing you can do on yourself using bread clips if you don't wanna get pregnant?

[Cetacea]

It's still available if it's sold with a prescription, though if she lost her job then it wouldn't be since her pharmacy is the only one in town, thus the only one with the contraceptive. Would you really rather is be completely unavailable than only be available with a prescription?

Supply and demand. Somebody else would run the pharmacy if it were left vacant. I presume that she wouldn't even own the building.

Let's turn this around. If this pharmacist refuse to provide vaccines because of her beliefs on vaccines, would this also be excusable in your eyes?

vaccines aren't available via a pharmacist they have to be administered by a medical professional like a doctor or nurse:)

however to your point a better example is painkillers containing codeine*, If a pharmacist refused to sell panadeine over the counter because they beleived it to be addictive then I personally might be upset with them but would probably just go to the supermarket and find an alternative myself

while the day after pill might not have direct alternative it is not the only choice of contraception and can still be got by prescription


* in May 2015 the Faculty of Pain Medicine of the Australian and New Zealand College of Anaesthetists (ANZCA) pushed the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) to reclassify the products as prescription-only .

[Des-Bal]

What's that one thing you can do on yourself using bread clips if you don't wanna get pregnant?

Hook them to your ears then don't fuck anyone.

[Cetacea]

Don't want to get pregnant?

Don't fuck.

Or be responsible and buy your own damn contraceptive devices/pills.

What's that one thing you can do on yourself using bread clips if you don't wanna get pregnant?

hold them between your knees?

[Des-Bal]

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db209.pdf

You're being ridiculous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WVCW


You're being ridiculous.

A link isn't a substitute for an argument I have no idea what the hell you think that refutes.

[Digital Planets]

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db209.pdf

You're being ridiculous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WVCW


You're being ridiculous.

A link isn't a substitute for an argument I have no idea what the hell you think that refutes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Reich

No, you're being ridiculous.

[A Really Chill Place]

Supply and demand. Somebody else would run the pharmacy if it were left vacant. I presume that she wouldn't even own the building.

Let's turn this around. If this pharmacist refuse to provide vaccines because of her beliefs on vaccines, would this also be excusable in your eyes?

vaccines aren't available via a pharmacist they have to be administered by a medical professional like a doctor or nurse:)

however to your point a better example is painkillers containing codeine*, If a pharmacist refused to sell panadeine over the counter because they beleived it to be addictive then I personally might be upset with them but would probably just go to the supermarket and find an alternative myself

while the day after pill might not have direct alternative it is not the only choice of contraception and can still be got by prescription


* in May 2015 the Faculty of Pain Medicine of the Australian and New Zealand College of Anaesthetists (ANZCA) pushed the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) to reclassify the products as prescription-only .

That's not correct. Often people will buy vaccinations from a pharmacist and take them to a doctor for the doctor to administer. This is especially true for vaccines which have special storage stipulations or can expire quickly. In many cases, a pharmacy is the only source of certain vaccines, such as the Hepatitis A/B vaccine, within an an area.

It does not matter than the morning after pill is not the only choice of contraception because it has no substitute. It has already been mentioned that obtaining this treatment through prescription is not always possible due to difficulties obtaining a doctor's appointment within 72 hours. It has been clearly shown that OTC availability of this treatment reduces the teen pregnancy rate.

[Greed and Death]

New Zealand is a small island, so I'm sure they can get whatever they need if they go to the next town over.

New Zealand is a series of islands that is larger than the United Kingdom. The nearest pharmacy is an hour's drive away.

She has 3 days to get the pills I am sure she can find 2-3 hours to pop off to the next town.

Before you say but what if she can not get time off work. New Zealand has mandatory Sick leave.

Before you say what if she does not have a car ? There is a bus and it only takes an extra 20 minutes to get there.

[Tmutarakhan]

Don't want to get pregnant?

Don't fuck.

Or be responsible and buy your own damn contraceptive devices/pills.

Uh, this is not a case about anybody else paying, it is about whether buying the contraceptives at all is going to be possible.

[American Imperial State]

Don't want to get pregnant?

Don't fuck.

Or be responsible and buy your own damn contraceptive devices/pills.

Uh, this is not a case about anybody else paying, it is about whether buying the contraceptives at all is going to be possible.

You can get condoms at gas stations and stores

[Dahon]

Uh, this is not a case about anybody else paying, it is about whether buying the contraceptives at all is going to be possible.

You can get condoms at gas stations and stores

That is possible in certain parts of the United States, but the US ain't the world.

[New Grestin]

It's not her job to moralize. It's her job to sell pills OTC or provide them via prescription.

If I were doing my CNA work, and said that I wouldn't transfer someone to their chair because it "went against my beliefs", I'd lose my job.

The same principle applies here, frankly.

[Coalition of Minor Planets]

It's not her job to moralize. It's her job to sell pills OTC or provide them via prescription.

If I were doing my CNA work, and said that I wouldn't transfer someone to their chair because it "went against my beliefs", I'd lose my job.

The same principle applies here, frankly.

Yes, the same principle applies: if her performance of the duties assigned to her by her employer is less than acceptable, the employer will fire her. From all reports, she is fulfilling all duties of the job assigned.

[Zoice]

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db209.pdf

You're being ridiculous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WVCW


You're being ridiculous.

A link isn't a substitute for an argument I have no idea what the hell you think that refutes.

The point of putting out a link is the evidence it provides, going against the assertion that's terrifyingly common on this thread that pharmacists don't have a responsibility to makes emergency contraception available OTC. If you looked for even a few seconds you would find studies on the subject that support the need for high availability.

[Des-Bal]

The point of putting out a link is the evidence it provides, going against the assertion that's terrifyingly common on this thread that pharmacists don't have a responsibility to makes emergency contraception available OTC. If you looked for even a few seconds you would find studies on the subject that support the need for high availability.

I read it twice and it absolutely doesn't say that.

[Little Tralfamadore]

The license to run a pharmacy should require that you sell medication regardless of your alleged personal beliefs IF there are no viable competitors within a reasonable* distance.

Free enterprise should allow you to pick and choose what you sell 98% of the time. Free Enterprise should also allow the public to chose to shop at a bigoted place or not.

However if you offer a service that is especially needed such as medication than your freedom should be limited somewhat. Of course those freedoms are offset by the increase profits in having a monopoly.

I have little sympathy for the pharmacist who refuses to sell something due to their "religious" beliefs while disobeying a few thousand of their other beliefs.
It has zero to do with religion and 100% to do with bigotry.



*Defining "reasonable" would vary depending on the locale.


<edited due to typo "see" to "sell"

[Taninli]

New Zealand is a series of islands that is larger than the United Kingdom. The nearest pharmacy is an hour's drive away.

She has 3 days to get the pills I am sure she can find 2-3 hours to pop off to the next town.

Before you say but what if she can not get time off work. New Zealand has mandatory Sick leave.

Before you say what if she does not have a car ? There is a bus and it only takes an extra 20 minutes to get there.

As other people said before, emergency contraception doesn't work after 72 hours, which you correctly noticed. But that's not the only thing. It's not like "it works 100% for 72 hours then bam, it doesn't". It's "the efficiency diminishes every minute during 72 hours until only luck can save you". Even a two-hour delay can be the difference between the morning-after pill working and having to get an abortion.
Edit: that's because with every hour, there is a higher chance that a spermatozoon will have reached an ovum. If it's already happened by the time you finally get the emergency contraception, it's too late.

[Zoice]

Here's two studies about the rates of domestic abuse among women going to a family planning clinic. Coercion over their reproductive rights is often part of that abuse. That's one of the reasons that prescriptions being a requirement is a problem, it's an extra step that makes it much harder to safely get what you need when you are being abused.

http://jfprhc.bmj.com/content/30/2/113.full.pdf+html

http://jfprhc.bmj.com/content/30/2/113.short
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And if you're going to say "Well that isn't the pharmacist's problem", bullshit, it is the duty of the healthcare system to try and help people.

[Coalition of Minor Planets]

Here's two studies about the rates of domestic abuse among women going to a family planning clinic. Coercion over their reproductive rights is often part of that abuse. That's one of the reasons that prescriptions being a requirement is a problem, it's an extra step that makes it much harder to safely get what you need when you are being abused.

http://jfprhc.bmj.com/content/30/2/113.full.pdf+html

http://jfprhc.bmj.com/content/30/2/113.short
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And if you're going to say "Well that isn't the pharmacist's problem", bullshit, it is the duty of the healthcare system to try and help people.

The action of some other person does not magically obligate a person to attend a course, stock a product, or sell it in a particular way

[Zoice]

Here's two studies about the rates of domestic abuse among women going to a family planning clinic. Coercion over their reproductive rights is often part of that abuse. That's one of the reasons that prescriptions being a requirement is a problem, it's an extra step that makes it much harder to safely get what you need when you are being abused.

http://jfprhc.bmj.com/content/30/2/113.full.pdf+html

http://jfprhc.bmj.com/content/30/2/113.short
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And if you're going to say "Well that isn't the pharmacist's problem", bullshit, it is the duty of the healthcare system to try and help people.

The action of some other person does not magically obligate a person to attend a course, stock a product, or sell it in a particular way

Yes, it does. The healthcare system has obligations built into it. Psychiatrists, doctors,and EMT's are obligated to do certain things, based on the actions of others. Pharmacists are part of health care and should be treated as such. You're being incredibly callous by siding with the right to withhold healthcare over the right of women to have reproductive rights.

[Crockerland]

The action of some other person does not magically obligate a person to attend a course, stock a product, or sell it in a particular way

Yes, it does. The healthcare system has obligations built into it. Psychiatrists, doctors,and EMT's are obligated to do certain things, based on the actions of others. Pharmacists are part of health care and should be treated as such. You're being incredibly callous by siding with the right to withhold healthcare over the right of women to have reproductive rights.

Allowing someone to choose what work they want to do on their own property is not callous.
Trying to force someone into nonconsentual work (slave labour) because you can't be bothered to get a prescription is callous.
Wanting to close down a town's only pharmacy because they won't give you something without a prescription is insane.

[Zoice]

Yes, it does. The healthcare system has obligations built into it. Psychiatrists, doctors,and EMT's are obligated to do certain things, based on the actions of others. Pharmacists are part of health care and should be treated as such. You're being incredibly callous by siding with the right to withhold healthcare over the right of women to have reproductive rights.

Allowing someone to choose what work they want to do on their own property is not callous.
Trying to force someone into nonconsentual work (slave labour) because you can't be bothered to get a prescription is callous.
Wanting to close down a town's only pharmacy because they won't give you something without a prescription is insane.

You have to stop calling slave labour, you can't possibly honestly think I'm advocating slavery. This pharmacist does give out the pills when there's a prescription, so, when she is legally mandated to give it she will. If she is legally mandated to give it out OTC, then I think she will. Requiring pharmacists to meet a certain standard of care, even requiring them to take a course to be qualified for the job, is not slavery. It is quality control to protect women.

[Crockerland]

Allowing someone to choose what work they want to do on their own property is not callous.
Trying to force someone into nonconsentual work (slave labour) because you can't be bothered to get a prescription is callous.
Wanting to close down a town's only pharmacy because they won't give you something without a prescription is insane.

You have to stop calling slave labour, you can't possibly honestly think I'm advocating slavery. This pharmacist does give out the pills when there's a prescription, so, when she is legally mandated to give it she will. If she is legally mandated to give it out OTC, then I think she will. Requiring pharmacists to meet a certain standard of care, even requiring them to take a course to be qualified for the job, is not slavery. It is quality control to protect women.

The pharmacist is a woman lmao.

[Zoice]

You have to stop calling slave labour, you can't possibly honestly think I'm advocating slavery. This pharmacist does give out the pills when there's a prescription, so, when she is legally mandated to give it she will. If she is legally mandated to give it out OTC, then I think she will. Requiring pharmacists to meet a certain standard of care, even requiring them to take a course to be qualified for the job, is not slavery. It is quality control to protect women.

The pharmacist is a woman lmao.

Therefore she can't have a view that is harmful to women? Do you think that all anti abortion activists are men or something? What are you trying to show with that post?

[Chiggers]

Tell the religious nutjobs that they're whiny babies who's job is not to decide someone's future for them, nor make moral decisions. Their job is to hand out the fecking pills.