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Postby Ancient Humans » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:02 am

Creating babies without Men, I.E. Cloning, would be very ineffective as the clone will be genetically identical to its 'mother' or 'father.' These similarities go straight down to the immune system and if you continue copying someone the immune system wont be able to adapt as quickly and a possible virus could easily wipe out the population with extreme ease because each person is exactly the same.

Now I'm hoping I got my facts correct.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:03 am

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I wasn't aware that the law needed mowing. :p


A grassroots movement has been established to change it.
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Postby Lingria » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:03 am

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Lingria wrote:Of course it does! It always needs to...uh...be cut down to good perfect 2 inch size!
#datsave

More than 3 inches is kinda better ehehehe

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Postby Lingria » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:04 am

Ancient Humans wrote:Creating babies without Men, I.E. Cloning, would be very ineffective as the clone will be genetically identical to its 'mother' or 'father.' These similarities go straight down to the immune system and if you continue copying someone the immune system wont be able to adapt as quickly and a possible virus could easily wipe out the population with extreme ease because each person is exactly the same.

Now I'm hoping I got my facts correct.

Like copy and pasting? Because Viruses are always evolving, amd natural selection is still in movements in the Human Race.
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Postby Pranovia » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:04 am

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Pranovia wrote:More than 3 inches is kinda better ehehehe

Oh no, dont do it. Oh my Guhd.

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:07 am

There's nothing wrong with it per se as it lets Lesbian couples have children- I suppose the real issue is whether these children have two genetic mothers or if they're actually clones.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:07 am

Ancient Humans wrote:Creating babies without Men, I.E. Cloning, would be very ineffective as the clone will be genetically identical to its 'mother' or 'father.' These similarities go straight down to the immune system and if you continue copying someone the immune system wont be able to adapt as quickly and a possible virus could easily wipe out the population with extreme ease because each person is exactly the same.

Now I'm hoping I got my facts correct.

Pretty much, yeah. Thing is, cloning being available doesn't mean that everyone is going to abandon sexual reproduction.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:08 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Princes of the Universe wrote:Let's say someone uses my DNA to make a clone (though why anyone would want to do that would baffle me to no end). Is that clone his own person or my property?

Let's say your parents had identical twins instead of just you. Would that be two people or would one twin be the property of the other?


Depends... Are we talking before or after the American Civil War? :unsure:
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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:11 am

Pranovia wrote:
Lingria wrote:Of course it does! It always needs to...uh...be cut down to good perfect 2 inch size!
#datsave

More than 3 inches is kinda better ehehehe

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Postby Ancient Humans » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:12 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ancient Humans wrote:Creating babies without Men, I.E. Cloning, would be very ineffective as the clone will be genetically identical to its 'mother' or 'father.' These similarities go straight down to the immune system and if you continue copying someone the immune system wont be able to adapt as quickly and a possible virus could easily wipe out the population with extreme ease because each person is exactly the same.

Now I'm hoping I got my facts correct.

Pretty much, yeah. Thing is, cloning being available doesn't mean that everyone is going to abandon sexual reproduction.

I'm aware but there are people who are convinced that cloning is more effective than good old fucking.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:14 am

Ancient Humans wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Pretty much, yeah. Thing is, cloning being available doesn't mean that everyone is going to abandon sexual reproduction.

I'm aware but there are people who are convinced that cloning is more effective than good old fucking.


Well, it might be more effective if you purely fuck for procreation, rather then for fun.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:15 am

Ancient Humans wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Pretty much, yeah. Thing is, cloning being available doesn't mean that everyone is going to abandon sexual reproduction.

I'm aware but there are people who are convinced that cloning is more effective than good old fucking.

Well for people who want to have a child but can't accomplish that by good old fucking it clearly is. Or will be, once it's actually available.

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Postby Val Halla » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:16 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ancient Humans wrote:I'm aware but there are people who are convinced that cloning is more effective than good old fucking.

Well for people who want to have a child but can't accomplish that by good old fucking it clearly is. Or will be, once it's actually available.

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Postby Ancient Humans » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:17 am

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Ancient Humans wrote:I'm aware but there are people who are convinced that cloning is more effective than good old fucking.

Well for people who want to have a child but can't accomplish that by good old fucking it clearly is. Or will be, once it's actually available.

So instead of either asking another couple to have a baby for you or going to a sperm bank, you'll raise another version of you or your partner? Personally, I find that strange.
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Postby The Alexanderians » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:19 am


Thanks, you should put them in the OP too.
But this is the kind of thing that has been mentioned before and always pointed out that:
[*]It's easier to just use a sperm bank
[*]Only a small group would require this over regular insemination
[*]It's probably not cost effective, you know because men produce it so often you could probably fill a lake with the global output.
[*]Why choose this over artificial wombs?
[*]If you're going to do either why not both?
[*]Why not just use surrogate, it's even possible to remove the surrogate's DNA and only have DNA from the parents.

It's kind of a waste of money at this time, that being said don't mistake me for against LGBT couples having children. My girlfriend is trans and we're probably going to look into one of the methods I mentioned.
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Postby Tekeristan » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:20 am

Ancient Humans wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Well for people who want to have a child but can't accomplish that by good old fucking it clearly is. Or will be, once it's actually available.

So instead of either asking another couple to have a baby for you or going to a sperm bank, you'll raise another version of you or your partner? Personally, I find that strange.


All your offspring is a version of you even the 'normal' way. :P

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:21 am

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Ifreann wrote:Well for people who want to have a child but can't accomplish that by good old fucking it clearly is. Or will be, once it's actually available.

So instead of either asking another couple to have a baby for you or going to a sperm bank, you'll raise another version of you or your partner? Personally, I find that strange.


You have twice as much people to love :unsure:
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Postby Ancient Humans » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:22 am

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Ancient Humans wrote:So instead of either asking another couple to have a baby for you or going to a sperm bank, you'll raise another version of you or your partner? Personally, I find that strange.


You have twice as much people to love :unsure:

So what you're saying is, in order to procreate you will clone yourself or your partner and then realize that it is a copy and then you and your clone/child will have intercourse with your partner or vice versa? Incestual loop hole.
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Postby Tekeristan » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:23 am

Ancient Humans wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
You have twice as much people to love :unsure:

So what you're saying is, in order to procreate you will clone yourself or your partner and then realize that it is a copy and then you and your clone/child will have intercourse with your partner or vice versa? Incestual loop hole.

Vhat.

You know, with more research, I'm pretty sure we can eventually figure out how to properly mix the DNA of 2 people.
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Postby Cruithneach » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:25 am

Ancient Humans wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
You have twice as much people to love :unsure:

So what you're saying is, in order to procreate you will clone yourself or your partner and then realize that it is a copy and then you and your clone/child will have intercourse with your partner or vice versa? Incestual loop hole.


Sounds weird, creepy, confusing and insanely fun.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:26 am

Ancient Humans wrote:Creating babies without Men, I.E. Cloning, would be very ineffective as the clone will be genetically identical to its 'mother' or 'father.' These similarities go straight down to the immune system and if you continue copying someone the immune system wont be able to adapt as quickly and a possible virus could easily wipe out the population with extreme ease because each person is exactly the same.

Now I'm hoping I got my facts correct.


Thing is this is no worse than an identical twin. One person will probably not be the source for more than one or two clones. And people will not only clone. And will modify their clones to make them better so that they are no longer a true clone. If this does happen. And it is not happening soon.

Why do people assume only one lesbian would suddenly be the only one to clone herself billions of times (how does she afford this?) and nobody else will clone of reproduce? That is the only way this could be a problem.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:26 am

Ancient Humans wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Well for people who want to have a child but can't accomplish that by good old fucking it clearly is. Or will be, once it's actually available.

So instead of either asking another couple to have a baby for you or going to a sperm bank, you'll raise another version of you or your partner? Personally, I find that strange.

I wasn't planning on getting cloned, but I suppose that is how it would work. And it would seem strange, being that it has never before happened in human history.

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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:27 am

Why does creating babies without men equate to cloning? If we can make female sperm it would not be cloning as we are still combining two different genetic codes (the egg from one woman and the sperm from the other). For men to similarly reproduce is a little harder as not only is male eggs needed, a artificial womb is also necessary.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:27 am

Neutraligon wrote:Why does creating babies without men equate to cloning? If we can make female sperm it would not be cloning as we are still combining two different genetic codes (the egg from one woman and the sperm from the other). For men to similarly reproduce is a little harder as not only is male eggs needed, a artificial womb is also necessary.

That's a good point.

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Postby Tierra Prime » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:28 am

Val Halla wrote:It's cool that we can have LGBT people have their own biological children

That can already happen though through artificial insemination/surrogacy.

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