Creating Babies Without Men

[Chessmistress]

I think once artificial wombs become a thing this will lead to quite a bit of societal change. Not only will women no longer need men, men will then be able to reproduce without requiring female aid.

It will be interesting to say the least. I the long term this could in fact lead to the formation of two parallel species influenced by the respective sex's most prevalent fashion trends.

I just hope it won't lead to widespread bioterrorism or attempts at exterminating one another.

https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/ ... ss-births/

No way that males will be able to use artificial wombs all alone, even if artificial wombs will be ever developed - artificial womb doesn't mean procreation and female genes would be still required for procreation: you cannot mix two XY cells because Y chromosome is very small, too simple. Very different the case of two XX cells: XX cell is the default cell, when instead genetically speaking the Y chromosome is much more simple and small - like a "downgrade"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_chromosome
Also, such technology of the artificial womb is far less developed than the technology we are talking about: it's like comparing - in example - a software that still is in conceptual designing phase with another software that is in early beta phase.

[Ifreann]

children raised by a mother and father simply turn out better.

The data is against you. Two lesbians are actually the best parents. Maybe part of the reasons gay couples tend to be better than straight couples is that they just don't get accidentally pregnant when they aren't ready, but still, you have no evidence for your assertion.

Lesbians best-bians.

[Galloism]

I think once artificial wombs become a thing this will lead to quite a bit of societal change. Not only will women no longer need men, men will then be able to reproduce without requiring female aid.

It will be interesting to say the least. I the long term this could in fact lead to the formation of two parallel species influenced by the respective sex's most prevalent fashion trends.

I just hope it won't lead to widespread bioterrorism or attempts at exterminating one another.

https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/ ... ss-births/

No way that males will be able to use artificial wombs all alone, even if artificial wombs will be ever developed - artificial womb doesn't mean procreation and female genes would be still required for procreation: you cannot mix two XY cells because Y chromosome is very small, too simple. Very different the case of two XX cells: XX cell is the default cell, when instead genetically speaking the Y chromosome is much more simple and small - like a "downgrade"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_chromosome
Also, such technology of the artificial womb is far less developed than the technology we are talking about: it's like comparing - in example - a software that still is in conceptual designing phase with another software that is in early beta phase.

You don't know how genetics work, do you?

[Ifreann]

No they wouldn't.

I dunno, I find orphans tragic

Obviously not what was being referred to.

[Ethel mermania]

children raised by a mother and father simply turn out better.

The data is against you. Two lesbians are actually the best parents. Maybe part of the reasons gay couples tend to be better than straight couples is that they just don't get accidentally pregnant when they aren't ready, but still, you have no evidence for your assertion.

That's not correct, if we are to get nitpicky. A child raised with both natural parents, in a home owned by the parents do best. Which would equate to both social and economic factors being important to giving a child the best oppertunity to succeed.

But the real world has a habit on intruing on or utopian vision.

[Mefpan]

I think once artificial wombs become a thing this will lead to quite a bit of societal change. Not only will women no longer need men, men will then be able to reproduce without requiring female aid.

It will be interesting to say the least. I the long term this could in fact lead to the formation of two parallel species influenced by the respective sex's most prevalent fashion trends.

I just hope it won't lead to widespread bioterrorism or attempts at exterminating one another.

https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/ ... ss-births/

No way that males will be able to use artificial wombs all alone, even if artificial wombs will be ever developed - artificial womb doesn't mean procreation and female genes would be still required for procreation: you cannot mix two XY cells because Y chromosome is very small, too simple. Very different the case of two XX cells: XX cell is the default cell, when instead genetically speaking the Y chromosome is much more simple and small - like a "downgrade"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_chromosome
Also, such technology of the artificial womb is far less developed than the technology we are talking about: it's like comparing - in example - a software that still is in conceptual designing phase with another software that is in early beta phase.

It will probably take longer, but eventually it'll become a thing too, barring some global calamity that resets the scientific clock.

Hell, I'm already wondering how long it'll take scientists to make transitioning something more than a "cosmetic" change, no matter how much gene tampering and cloning that'd probably require. At least I hope that's not just a pipe dream.

[Ethel mermania]

I dunno, I find orphans tragic

Obviously not what was being referred to.

The poster said. "and' not "or".

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Sez Jeebus



Opinion =/= fact. There is no fair, scientific study that shows any of that. Unless you want to enlighten me, and link to a source, I am just going to take that as your unsupported opinion and ignore it.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X12000610

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X12000580

There's also data that suggests just the opposite...

Furthermore, if you read that link, you will see that the Rengarus study actually was focused on failed heterosexual unions where one parter went off with a member of the same sex. Not an actual same sex couple.

[The Realm of Lordaeron]

The data is against you. Two lesbians are actually the best parents. Maybe part of the reasons gay couples tend to be better than straight couples is that they just don't get accidentally pregnant when they aren't ready, but still, you have no evidence for your assertion.

That's not correct, if we are to get nitpicky. A child raised with both natural parents, in a home owned by the parents do best. Which would equate to both social and economic factors being important to giving a child the best oppertunity to succeed.

But the real world has a habit on intruing on or utopian vision.

They make unreferenced claims and it's accepted as gospel. I make unreferenced claims, and they demand references. I provide referenced and they ignore them.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

That's not correct, if we are to get nitpicky. A child raised with both natural parents, in a home owned by the parents do best. Which would equate to both social and economic factors being important to giving a child the best oppertunity to succeed.

But the real world has a habit on intruing on or utopian vision.

They make unreferenced claims and it's accepted as gospel. I make unreferenced claims, and they demand references. I provide referenced and they ignore them.

I did not ignore you.

[The Realm of Lordaeron]

They make unreferenced claims and it's accepted as gospel. I make unreferenced claims, and they demand references. I provide referenced and they ignore them.

I did not ignore you:

They make unreferenced claims and it's accepted as gospel. I make unreferenced claims, and they demand references. I provide referenced and they ignore them.

A male and female couple simply is a better match for child raising purposes.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

I did not ignore you:

A male and female couple simply is a better match for child raising purposes.

Again, there is data that suggests just the contrary...

[Ethel mermania]

That's not correct, if we are to get nitpicky. A child raised with both natural parents, in a home owned by the parents do best. Which would equate to both social and economic factors being important to giving a child the best oppertunity to succeed.

But the real world has a habit on intruing on or utopian vision.

They make unreferenced claims and it's accepted as gospel. I make unreferenced claims, and they demand references. I provide referenced and they ignore them.

It's hard on the phone,

Here is a link to an article on the Harvard study

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/harva ... le/2542841

I can't find the broken home study I used a couple years ago here.

[Mefpan]

They make unreferenced claims and it's accepted as gospel. I make unreferenced claims, and they demand references. I provide referenced and they ignore them.

It's hard on the phone,

Here is a link to an article on the Harvard study

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/harva ... le/2542841

I can't find the broken home study I used a couple years ago here.

This seems to be about single parents vs. married couples, not about heterosexual vs. homosexual parent couples. Are you sure this is the right study?

(Unless the emphasis is on natural - i.e. biological - parents; within the confines of this thread's topic I'd say it's fair to assume that children born to same-sex couples are assumed to be biologically related to both their parents.)

[Saiwania]

Hell, I'm already wondering how long it'll take scientists to make transitioning something more than a "cosmetic" change, no matter how much gene tampering and cloning that'd probably require. At least I hope that's not just a pipe dream.

I really hope it is a pipe dream, because it would make an anti-trans ideology impossible and thus obsolete. Can't exactly tell the difference anymore if MtF or FtM people are now exactly the same in function and form as people who are male or female from birth.

[Nagrascant]

I just hope it won't lead to widespread bioterrorism or attempts at exterminating one another.

https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/ ... ss-births/

Why would it?

Because 1) Radicalization is a very real issue and 2) Somewhat disconnected from that, creating not only different ethnicities but bona fide sub-species of humanity's probably going to trigger even bigger racism than what we already have.

I'm not blaming the technology. I'm blaming human tendencies. That being said, the second does not make the first evil.

[Tierra Prime]

I know women don't have the Y chromosome, what I meant is that if you use the OP's method over and over, the genes that are needed to produce males may be filtered out, which could have unforeseen issues on the female's health. We don't know if those genes are used for anything else in females, or if they are turned into another gene that's on one of the X chromosomes. If they aren't present, either in their male form or as a precursor for the development of another gene, the female's health could suffer.

To the best of my admittedly limited knowledge, there is no such thing as either male or female genes. Genes are genes.

There's a 3% genetic difference between men and women, so there must be specific male and female genes.

[Nagrascant]

https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/ ... ss-births/

No way that males will be able to use artificial wombs all alone, even if artificial wombs will be ever developed - artificial womb doesn't mean procreation and female genes would be still required for procreation: you cannot mix two XY cells because Y chromosome is very small, too simple. Very different the case of two XX cells: XX cell is the default cell, when instead genetically speaking the Y chromosome is much more simple and small - like a "downgrade"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_chromosome
Also, such technology of the artificial womb is far less developed than the technology we are talking about: it's like comparing - in example - a software that still is in conceptual designing phase with another software that is in early beta phase.

Good points, at the same time requiring just a woman's 1 time donation rather than 9 months of her life time is still quite the difference.

[DBJ]

It's a big problem, kids that grow up without a father are far more likely to become criminals. Ask the black community.

[Mefpan]

Hell, I'm already wondering how long it'll take scientists to make transitioning something more than a "cosmetic" change, no matter how much gene tampering and cloning that'd probably require. At least I hope that's not just a pipe dream.

I really hope it is a pipe dream, because it would make an anti-trans ideology impossible and thus obsolete. Can't exactly tell the difference anymore if MtF or FtM people are now exactly the same in function and form as people who are male or female from birth.

Reading the stated consequences of my pipe dream becoming reality has filled me with an inexplicable sense of contentness and internal warmth not entirely unlike the sensation of being hugged while wrapped in a comfy blanket.

[Saiwania]

It's a big problem, kids that grow up without a father are far more likely to become criminals. Ask the black community.

I don't think it would be quite that bad if the Blacks in the US lived in nice neighborhoods or had access to wealth which they generally don't.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

It's a big problem, kids that grow up without a father are far more likely to become criminals. Ask the black community.

As has been noted elsewhere, this is just not supported by the data. Lesbian couples outperform straight ones in most metrics.

[Tierra Prime]

Are there any actual statistics for how children with homosexual parents do versus the children of heterosexual parents? My beliefs regarding populations and families is that we need to be producing as many children as is financially possible to keep the population growing, and if homosexual couples can contribute to that (Either through artificial methods or adopting), they really should.

[Tierra Prime]

It's a big problem, kids that grow up without a father are far more likely to become criminals. Ask the black community.

As has been noted elsewhere, this is just not supported by the data. Lesbian couples outperform straight ones in most metrics.

I would rather like to see this source.

[Cybraxia]

It's a big problem, kids that grow up without a father are far more likely to become criminals. Ask the black community.

As has been noted elsewhere, this is just not supported by the data. Lesbian couples outperform straight ones in most metrics.

Don't Lesbian couples also have higher rates of abuse? Could have sworn I read that somewhere.