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Hillary Clinton
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22%
Bernie Sanders
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Total votes : 1090

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Postby Trumpostan » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:08 pm

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -4167.html

Dem primary schedule up to the first week of march + polls

February 27th
South Carolina, Hillary 57 Bernie 33

March 1st
Alabama, Hillary 59 Bernie 31
Arkansas, Hillary 57 Bernie 29
Colorado, Hillary 55 Bernie 27
Georgia, Hillary 61 Bernie 24
Massachusetts (yay, voting time! :lol: ) Hillary 42 Bernie 49
Minnesota, Hillary 50 Bernie 32
Oklahoma, Hillary 44 Bernie 37
Tennessee, Hillary 53 Bernie 30
Vermont, Hillary 10 Bernie 86
Texas, Hillary 54 Bernie 25
Virginia, Hillary 54 Bernie 37

March 5th
Louisiana, Hillary 59 Bernie 29
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Postby Alouite » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:09 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Alouite wrote:Voter Fraud may have helped her win in Nevada. Of course, this video is only one instance of it caught on camera, but if this was allowed to happen it could've been widespread. We'll see what happens.

*rolling my eyes*

you need to do what Bernie is doing--suck it up and work on the next vote.

It is immoral to let someone break the law in this manner. I will 'suck it up' when I know the scope of this voter fraud. Did you watch the video?
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Postby Ashmoria » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:10 pm

Alouite wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:*rolling my eyes*

you need to do what Bernie is doing--suck it up and work on the next vote.

It is immoral to let someone break the law in this manner. I will 'suck it up' when I know the scope of this voter fraud. Did you watch the video?

no I cant be bothered.

its over and the best thing is to move on.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:12 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Alouite wrote:It is immoral to let someone break the law in this manner. I will 'suck it up' when I know the scope of this voter fraud. Did you watch the video?

no I cant be bothered.

its over and the best thing is to move on.


/me shoots a guy

I broke the law, but it's in the past, so the police should just move on and try to stop the next shooting, eh? Or, in this case, make sure he survives next time regardless of if I shoot him.
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The color or what?..

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Postby Eol Sha » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:13 pm

Trumpostan wrote:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/sc/south_carolina_democratic_presidential_primary-4167.html

Dem primary schedule up to the first week of march + polls

February 27th
South Carolina, Hillary 57 Bernie 33

March 1st
Alabama, Hillary 59 Bernie 31
Arkansas, Hillary 57 Bernie 29
Colorado, Hillary 55 Bernie 27
Georgia, Hillary 61 Bernie 24
Massachusetts (yay, voting time! :lol: ) Hillary 42 Bernie 49
Minnesota, Hillary 50 Bernie 32
Oklahoma, Hillary 44 Bernie 37
Tennessee, Hillary 53 Bernie 30
Vermont, Hillary 10 Bernie 86
Texas, Hillary 54 Bernie 25
Virginia, Hillary 54 Bernie 37

March 5th
Louisiana, Hillary 59 Bernie 29

*gut punch*
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Postby Myrensis » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:16 pm

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It's difficult to call it clean or fair when Clintons campaign was transparently backed by the media establishment, and Clinton herself has repeatedly lied to the public to gain their support.

The media has been setting Hillary up for this for years.


Just like in 2008, amirite? Though of course fanatical Hillary supporters say that in 2008 those corrupt party establishment oligarchs conspired with the media to steal the nomination from Hillary and give it to their chosen candidate Obama instead.

Funny how that works. :roll:
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Postby Alouite » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:17 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Alouite wrote:It is immoral to let someone break the law in this manner. I will 'suck it up' when I know the scope of this voter fraud. Did you watch the video?

no I cant be bothered.

its over and the best thing is to move on.

You can't be bothered? Well in that case and are speaking from a position of unawareness and apathy. But if it is not widespread I agree, and I'd just move on. If not then I'm fine with that. But it is the civic duty of people to ensure that people aren't breaking the law to support a political campaign on a large scale.
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Postby Galloism » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:19 pm

Alouite wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:no I cant be bothered.

its over and the best thing is to move on.

You can't be bothered? Well in that case and are speaking from a position of unawareness and apathy. But if it is not widespread I agree, and I'd just move on. If not then I'm fine with that. But it is the civic duty of people to ensure that people aren't breaking the law to support a political campaign on a large scale.

I suggest listening to his holiness, the megareverand and CEO, John Oliver.
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Postby Alouite » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:19 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:no I cant be bothered.

its over and the best thing is to move on.


/me shoots a guy

I broke the law, but it's in the past, so the police should just move on and try to stop the next shooting, eh? Or, in this case, make sure he survives next time regardless of if I shoot him.

Exactly my point, its crazy to say that people shouldn't care if there was apathy because an event ended a few hours ago. And the best part is the recording stage isn't over, so the election isn't over either yet.
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Postby Alouite » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:20 pm

Galloism wrote:
Alouite wrote:You can't be bothered? Well in that case and are speaking from a position of unawareness and apathy. But if it is not widespread I agree, and I'd just move on. If not then I'm fine with that. But it is the civic duty of people to ensure that people aren't breaking the law to support a political campaign on a large scale.

I suggest listening to his holiness, the megareverand and CEO, John Oliver.

I already watched this. I don't want people to be required to have an ID, but if you watched the video they didn't register at the polling station, which means some of them could've been from other states and been voting. And the authorities there were doing nothing about it.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:20 pm

Galloism wrote:
Alouite wrote:You can't be bothered? Well in that case and are speaking from a position of unawareness and apathy. But if it is not widespread I agree, and I'd just move on. If not then I'm fine with that. But it is the civic duty of people to ensure that people aren't breaking the law to support a political campaign on a large scale.

I suggest listening to his holiness, the megareverand and CEO, John Oliver.

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:22 pm

Alouite wrote:

I already watched this. I don't want people to be required to have an ID, but if you watched the video they didn't register at the polling station, which means some of them could've been from other states and been voting. And the authorities there were doing nothing about it.


Or, as has been brought up and even sanctioned by some community leaders, Republican voters double voting due to the fairly unique nature of voting in Nevada, with GOP registration done ahead of time, but the vote later, and Dems allowing same-day registration in their earlier caucus.
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The color or what?..

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Postby Alouite » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:26 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
Alouite wrote:I already watched this. I don't want people to be required to have an ID, but if you watched the video they didn't register at the polling station, which means some of them could've been from other states and been voting. And the authorities there were doing nothing about it.


Or, as has been brought up and even sanctioned by some community leaders, Republican voters double voting due to the fairly unique nature of voting in Nevada, with GOP registration done ahead of time, but the vote later, and Dems allowing same-day registration in their earlier caucus.


I mean, at least that was legal, but who in the world would let voters from a single campaign vote without registering first? Sounds like corruption to me.
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Postby Eol Sha » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:28 pm

Alouite wrote:
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
Or, as has been brought up and even sanctioned by some community leaders, Republican voters double voting due to the fairly unique nature of voting in Nevada, with GOP registration done ahead of time, but the vote later, and Dems allowing same-day registration in their earlier caucus.


I mean, at least that was legal, but who in the world would let voters from a single campaign vote without registering first? Sounds like corruption to me.

What do you mean?
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:31 pm

Alouite wrote:
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
Or, as has been brought up and even sanctioned by some community leaders, Republican voters double voting due to the fairly unique nature of voting in Nevada, with GOP registration done ahead of time, but the vote later, and Dems allowing same-day registration in their earlier caucus.


I mean, at least that was legal, but who in the world would let voters from a single campaign vote without registering first? Sounds like corruption to me.

You don't have to register at the polling station if you already registered.
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Postby Eol Sha » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:31 pm

Interestingly enough, Bernie got more votes than Obama did in 2008 and Clinton increased her own share compared to then.
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Postby Alouite » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:32 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Alouite wrote:
I mean, at least that was legal, but who in the world would let voters from a single campaign vote without registering first? Sounds like corruption to me.

What do you mean?

A video has come out where a polling station let Hillary supporters vote without registering this substantiates rumors of voter fraud in Nevada, this would allow people to vote who don't live in Nevada, are under voting age, or voted at another station. Link Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ug9hHe_iZg
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Postby Corrian » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:33 pm

Wait, Colorado is a heavily Hillary state? What? That honestly surprises me. I was thinking Colorado might go Bernie

Booo
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Postby Alouite » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:33 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Alouite wrote:
I mean, at least that was legal, but who in the world would let voters from a single campaign vote without registering first? Sounds like corruption to me.

You don't have to register at the polling station if you already registered.

I apologize for not specifying. This was for people who were registering at the polling station.
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Postby Alouite » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:34 pm

Corrian wrote:Wait, Colorado is a heavily Hillary state? What? That honestly surprises me. I was thinking Colorado might go Bernie

Booo


Some of the polling is old. I'll check the link and let you know when that one came out.
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Postby Eol Sha » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:35 pm

Alouite wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:What do you mean?

A video has come out where a polling station let Hillary supporters vote without registering this substantiates rumors of voter fraud in Nevada, this would allow people to vote who don't live in Nevada, are under voting age, or voted at another station. Link Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ug9hHe_iZg

Nevada requires a photo ID in order for someone to be allowed to vote. You can't just walk in and grab a ballot.
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Postby Alouite » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:37 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Alouite wrote:A video has come out where a polling station let Hillary supporters vote without registering this substantiates rumors of voter fraud in Nevada, this would allow people to vote who don't live in Nevada, are under voting age, or voted at another station. Link Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ug9hHe_iZg

Nevada requires a photo ID in order for someone to be allowed to vote. You can't just walk in and grab a ballot.

Well this is evidence of it...
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Postby Corrian » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:37 pm

Alouite wrote:
Corrian wrote:Wait, Colorado is a heavily Hillary state? What? That honestly surprises me. I was thinking Colorado might go Bernie

Booo


Some of the polling is old. I'll check the link and let you know when that one came out.

It's also kinda...weird. 55 Hillary, 20 something Bernie. There's an awful lot of percentage in there not accounted for.
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Postby Eol Sha » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:38 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Alouite wrote:A video has come out where a polling station let Hillary supporters vote without registering this substantiates rumors of voter fraud in Nevada, this would allow people to vote who don't live in Nevada, are under voting age, or voted at another station. Link Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ug9hHe_iZg

Nevada requires a photo ID in order for someone to be allowed to vote. You can't just walk in and grab a ballot.

Also, Nevada doesn't have same-day registration.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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