[US Election 2016] Democratic Primary Megathread II

[Teemant]

Tonight Clinton will secure the nomination. I'm sure about it.
I'm waiting for Clinton vs Cruz.

[Kelinfort]

Tonight Clinton will secure the nomination. I'm sure about it.
I'm waiting for Clinton vs Cruz.

Erm, the Donald will win huge tonight. He may take 90 delegates and be well positioned for the Mid Atlantic.

If it goes to the convention, he won't win. But there's still a significant chance it won't.

[Ostroeuropa]

Guy writes innocuous article about Bernie, gets doxxed by Bernie fans.

'Cause the media is out to get Bernie you know.

#ClintonGate

"It's about ethics in news journalism"

I'm not inclined to believe their claims about receiving abuse.
The Guardian, for instance, considers it abuse to disagree with the writer of an article. Journalists have been pushing absurd definitions of abuse recently for largely the same reason they push provocative headlines, to flail around for attention.

[Teemant]

According to analysis by Politifact, the claim that Sanders wins when turnout is high is mostly false.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/bernie-sanders-voter-turnout-politifact-222138?cmpid=sf#ixzz46Hq7rzGC

Average supporter probably has no time for caucuses. Sanders supporters who are few in number but are much more active are berning 24/7.

[Khadgar]

Tonight Clinton will secure the nomination. I'm sure about it.
I'm waiting for Clinton vs Cruz.

I'm hoping for Hillary by 15. The GOP side doesn't have anyone I don't deplore left.

[Teemant]

#ClintonGate

"It's about ethics in news journalism"

I'm not inclined to believe their claims about receiving abuse.
The Guardian, for instance, considers it abuse to disagree with the writer of an article. Journalists have been pushing absurd definitions of abuse recently for largely the same reason they push provocative headlines, to flail around for attention.

I haven't read Guardian since one article said that liberating Mosul from ISIS might be a bad thing.
It is impossible to write a piece about Sanders that isn't praise only.

[Ostroeuropa]

Tonight Clinton will secure the nomination. I'm sure about it.
I'm waiting for Clinton vs Cruz.

Erm, the Donald will win huge tonight. He may take 90 delegates and be well positioned for the Mid Atlantic.

If it goes to the convention, he won't win. But there's still a significant chance it won't.

Donald only needs to lobby a small amount of unpledged delegates in the first vote. It's a question of whether those delegates break for a large slice of a pie from trump, or hold out and back Cruz along with some pledged (But released) delegates after the first vote and a smaller slice of that pie.

You have to remember, not all delegates are establishment republicans. Some represent local parties.

[Teemant]

I think that tomorrow, when Hillary has been declared winner of the NY primary, we can read many accusation stories about fraud and uninformed voters.

[Valrifell]

I think that tomorrow, when Hillary has been declared winner of the NY primary, we can read many accusation stories about fraud and uninformed voters.

I mean, from some, probably. But don't go assuming everyone who supports Sanders to be some whackjob, that's almost impossible.

[Khadgar]

I think that tomorrow, when Hillary has been declared winner of the NY primary, we can read many accusation stories about fraud and uninformed voters.

I suspect a quick glance of the comments on /r/politics will provide if you're really that into self inflicted pain.

[Ostroeuropa]

I think that tomorrow, when Hillary has been declared winner of the NY primary, we can read many accusation stories about fraud and uninformed voters.

I mean, from some, probably. But don't go assuming everyone who supports Sanders to be some whackjob, that's almost impossible.

Voter fraud, or electoral fraud?

One is basically proven at this point. (The latter. She's been laundering campaign donations.)

[Teemant]

I think that tomorrow, when Hillary has been declared winner of the NY primary, we can read many accusation stories about fraud and uninformed voters.

I suspect a quick glance of the comments on /r/politics will provide if you're really that into self inflicted pain.

I don't even have to go to /r/politics. They are on the front page all the time.

[Othelos]

Just voted for Bernie!!!

[The Romulan Republic]

https://usuncut.com/politics/nyc-mayor- ... ter-purge/

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is demanding an explanation from the city’s Board of Elections after the purge of registered Democrats in Brooklyn has doubled from 63,000 to 126,000.

As US Uncut previously reported, Kings County, where Brooklyn is located, has seen a 7 percent drop in the number of registered Democratic voters between November 2015 and April 2016. But a new investigation by WNYC has revealed that the New York City Board of Elections actually purged 126,000 voters in that time period — a 14 percent drop in 5 months. Now, Mayor de Blasio is demanding to know why there was such a precipitous drop in registered voters just before the primary.

“This number surprises me,” de Blasio told WNYC. “I admit that Brooklyn has had a lot of transient population – that’s obvious. Lot of people moving in, lot of people moving out. That might account for some of it. But I’m confused since so many people have moved in, that the number would move that much in the negative direction.”


Kings County was just one of seven counties, out of a total of 63, where the number of registered Democrats fell, while registration increased in all other 56 counties. This is particularly odd, since Brooklyn — the home of Bernie Sanders, as well as the home of Hillary Clinton’s campaign headquarters — is a hotbed of political activity.

The New York City Board of Elections claims the number is explained by 12,000 voters moving out of the borough, 44,000 voters moved from “active” to “inactive” voter lists (by having not voted in four years or more), and 70,000 voters being taken off the “inactive” list. Michael Ryan, executive director of the city Board of Elections, said the reason Kings County has such a dramatic drop in the number of registered voters is due to election officials in Brooklyn being six months to a year behind updating voter rolls, due to elections.

“When there is an election event, work stops getting done,” Ryan told WNYC.

A New York voter has launched a petition on MoveOn.org demanding the New York State Board of Elections investigate the voter purge. As of this writing, it has almost 20,000 signatures.

I'm sure its just a coincidence that this apparently happened during Bernie's rise and in Bernie's home neighbourhood.

[Eol Sha]

Just voted for Bernie!!!

Sweet.

[Eol Sha]

https://usuncut.com/politics/nyc-mayor-responds-to-brooklyn-voter-purge/

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is demanding an explanation from the city’s Board of Elections after the purge of registered Democrats in Brooklyn has doubled from 63,000 to 126,000.

As US Uncut previously reported, Kings County, where Brooklyn is located, has seen a 7 percent drop in the number of registered Democratic voters between November 2015 and April 2016. But a new investigation by WNYC has revealed that the New York City Board of Elections actually purged 126,000 voters in that time period — a 14 percent drop in 5 months. Now, Mayor de Blasio is demanding to know why there was such a precipitous drop in registered voters just before the primary.

“This number surprises me,” de Blasio told WNYC. “I admit that Brooklyn has had a lot of transient population – that’s obvious. Lot of people moving in, lot of people moving out. That might account for some of it. But I’m confused since so many people have moved in, that the number would move that much in the negative direction.”


Kings County was just one of seven counties, out of a total of 63, where the number of registered Democrats fell, while registration increased in all other 56 counties. This is particularly odd, since Brooklyn — the home of Bernie Sanders, as well as the home of Hillary Clinton’s campaign headquarters — is a hotbed of political activity.

The New York City Board of Elections claims the number is explained by 12,000 voters moving out of the borough, 44,000 voters moved from “active” to “inactive” voter lists (by having not voted in four years or more), and 70,000 voters being taken off the “inactive” list. Michael Ryan, executive director of the city Board of Elections, said the reason Kings County has such a dramatic drop in the number of registered voters is due to election officials in Brooklyn being six months to a year behind updating voter rolls, due to elections.

“When there is an election event, work stops getting done,” Ryan told WNYC.

A New York voter has launched a petition on MoveOn.org demanding the New York State Board of Elections investigate the voter purge. As of this writing, it has almost 20,000 signatures.

I'm sure its just a coincidence that this apparently happened during Bernie's rise and in Bernie's home neighbourhood.

That's certainly troubling. Is the BoE nonpartisan?

[The Romulan Republic]

https://usuncut.com/politics/nyc-mayor-responds-to-brooklyn-voter-purge/



I'm sure its just a coincidence that this apparently happened during Bernie's rise and in Bernie's home neighbourhood.

That's certainly troubling. Is the BoE nonpartisan?

Not a clue, honestly.

But it increasingly looks to me as though New York is shaping up to be another Arizona. Even if it turns out that their was no malicious intent behind any of this, its going to raise a lot of questions and cause people to doubt the legitimacy of the result, and that is not good for either campaign.

[The Romulan Republic]

Tonight Clinton will secure the nomination. I'm sure about it.
I'm waiting for Clinton vs Cruz.

No, she won't.

At most, she'll move from "most likely winner" to "even more likely winner".

It is actually not mathematically possible to secure the nomination tonight in the sense of it being mathematically impossible for anyone else to win.

At most, she'll be the even more likely winner.

[Khadgar]

https://usuncut.com/politics/nyc-mayor-responds-to-brooklyn-voter-purge/



I'm sure its just a coincidence that this apparently happened during Bernie's rise and in Bernie's home neighbourhood. :roll:

That's certainly troubling. Is the BoE nonpartisan?

I would certainly hope it is.

[The Romulan Republic]

www.inquisitr.com/3012582/new-york-prim ... -declares/

The New York primary lawsuit may have found an opening for the state’s voters who believe their registration was wrongly changed, with a development on Tuesday seen as a boost to supporters of Bernie Sanders claiming the actions unfairly targeted them.

An effort to open the state’s notoriously restrictive primary was put off by a judge, asking for a later hearing that involves election officials from all of the state’s 62 counties. But despite a lack of resolution, lawyers urged voters who believe they rightly belong on the Democratic Party rolls to cast provisional ballots in the hope that a further ruling could have them counted.

Jordan Chariton, who has been covering the court proceedings for The Young Turks, tweeted on Monday that there is still hope for voters who believe they should have been able to cast ballots.



The ruling was seen as a win for supporters of Bernie Sanders, who said the actions disproportionately targeted them.


The lawsuit was brought by Election Justice USA, which called on supporters to rally outside the New York courthouse in favor of opening the primary to all voters.

The group had filed a lawsuit on Monday seeking to open the state’s primary to voters whose party affiliations had changed without their knowledge. There were numerous reports of voters who met the state’s October deadline to register with a party, but found out that either their affiliation was never updated or somehow switched to unaffiliated.

“This is our attempt to provide a means of recourse for those thousands of New York voters who find themselves in this very frustrating position, and to raise awareness about the need for a new level of accountability in the electoral process,” said Shyla Nelson, a spokesperson with Election Justice USA, in an interview with Think Progress.

The lawsuit had sought to make Tuesday’s primary open to all voters, allowing any registered voter to cast a ballot for either party, but the lawsuit itself was not heard until 9 a.m., the same time voting began for downstate residents. It was then moved to 2 p.m. and the resolution did not come until close to 3 p.m.

After Tuesday’s update, Election Justice urged voters who believe they rightly belong in the Democratic Party to demand provisional ballots.

A suggestion by one of our visitors – “Reference Docket # CV-16-1892 on your provisional ballot & don’t let them turn you away; you have a constitutional right if you’re a Democrat who was purged without notice”
The New York primary lawsuit was fueled by many stories of unexpected registration changes, many from supporters of Bernie Sanders. Alexandria Osacio-Cortez, a Westchester County voter who been a registered Democrat since 2008, said she found recently that she is now listed as a blank, New York’s designation for unaffiliated voters.

“I am so hurt that my right to vote in this primary has been taken from me,” Ocasio-Cortez wrote in a Reddit post about her discovery.

Osacio-Cortez explained that her affiliation changed after she voted outside of her district in the wake of Hurricane Sandy in 2012.

“Apparently when I signed that affidavit my party affiliation was waived,” Ocasio-Cortez wrote. “I had no idea I was losing my party status when I did that… Had I known this was the case I would have fixed this ages ago.”


There has been much attention on New York’s closed primary in recent weeks, with many voters complaining that the October deadline to declare a party came before even the first Democratic debate. The restrictive voting rules — New York has the earliest deadline in the nation for primaries — seem to have a disproportional effect on Bernie Sanders supporters, a group that includes a larger percentage of independent voters. Sanders has also gained steam considerably in recent months, with many supporters finding out about his campaign and joining on months after the deadline had passed.

[Picture by Ron Jenkins/Getty Images]

[Geilinor]

I mean, from some, probably. But don't go assuming everyone who supports Sanders to be some whackjob, that's almost impossible.

Voter fraud, or electoral fraud?

One is basically proven at this point. (The latter. She's been laundering campaign donations.)

The donations are in a joint account, she's not laundering anything.

[Major-Tom]

Voter fraud, or electoral fraud?

One is basically proven at this point. (The latter. She's been laundering campaign donations.)

The donations are in a joint account, she's not laundering anything.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but having a joint account for campaigns isn't orthodox, no?

[Major-Tom]

Tonight Clinton will secure the nomination. I'm sure about it.
I'm waiting for Clinton vs Cruz.

Bro, let's be honest, Cruz can't win the nomination. I mean, he could, but the establishment absolutely loathes him, and perhaps rightfully so.

[Penguin Union Nation]

If the Democratic Party is going to put up a conservative candidate like Hillary Clinton who is to the right of President Obama, then it has failed to be sufficiently liberal and should be dismantled. It's disgusting to live in a country where your choice for President is either a conservative or a super conservative.

[Major-Tom]

Just voted for Bernie!!!

Mark my words here folks.

When the votes come in, Manhattan, Queens, Bronx, Staten Island, Long Island, and areas around Buffalo will go Hillary.

The rest of the state will go Bernie, but those prior boroughs will be enough to let Hillary win by 8-12 points. Calling it right now.