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What should the US Senate do with the nomination of Merrick Garland?

Refuse to hold hearings on Garland's nomination
12
8%
Hold hearings but reject Garland's nomination
33
23%
Hold hearings and approve Garland's nomination
99
69%
 
Total votes : 144

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Soldati Senza Confini
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:40 pm

I think Democrats have a point though:

If anything, there's a bunch of court cases that will be heard this year. With 8 Justices it will be difficult.
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Postby Novus America » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:43 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:I think Democrats have a point though:

If anything, there's a bunch of court cases that will be heard this year. With 8 Justices it will be difficult.


That is not their real concern. Let's stop pretending the Supreme Court is not hyper political. It is clear neither side on the court gives a crap about Constitution most of the time.

Neither side cares about the constitution. Just about winning.
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New Jerzylvania
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Postby New Jerzylvania » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:44 pm


Predictable as the time of the sunrise tomorrow.

As Biden said, "this is a big fucking deal." Especially if Barrack nominates himself to the SCOTUS and the GOP confirm him to get him out of the White House.
Biden becomes POTUS. Then at the convention the superdelegates decide they prefer him and his incumbency and leave an Email plagued Hillary. Not feeling comfortable with Bernie, the convention goes into numerous ballots and finally it's re-elect the President, President Biden gets the nomination. Make a damn good book. Speaking of books, Vegas odds would be interesting to see on this scenario, lol. 7500-1
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:45 pm

New Jerzylvania wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Honestly, the brusqueness and dismissiveness are oddly charming once you get used to them.



LOL...Stockholm Syndrome.


Right, because liking someone on an internet forum on a personal level despite some major differences of opinion is JUST LIKE becoming so dependent on the approval of a captor that you begin to take on his belief system.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:45 pm

Novus America wrote:


Are you surprised? What else did you expect?


Sorry, did I indicate surprise?

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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:45 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Yes. But nobody the he appoints is likely to be acceptable. Let's not pretend this is not purely political. Obama's appointment will not be impartial but almost certainly hyper partisan.

I mean, if I was Obama, I'd nominate Kim Jong-un for shits and giggles. He's never going to nominate anybody Senate Republicans would confirm, because anyone acceptable would make Ronald Reagan look like Karl Marx.

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Honestly, the brusqueness and dismissiveness are oddly charming once you get used to them.

And a while after that, it rolls right back around to being unpleasant.


Well, when anyone can point out where foreign opinions matter in a purely American internal affair, please do so.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:46 pm

Novus America wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:The President doing his job? Why, that's treason!


He can appoint one. The Senate has just as much a job to approve OR disapprove the nomination.

Except they're not even going to consider it and will block every person he nominates not due to their merits, but because they hate Obama so damn much and don't want a new Supreme Justice being brought in under a Democrat. If Obama was a Republican, this wouldn't be an issue for them.

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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:46 pm

New Jerzylvania wrote:

Predictable as the time of the sunrise tomorrow.

As Biden said, "this is a big fucking deal." Especially if Barrack nominates himself to the SCOTUS and the GOP confirm him to get him out of the White House.
Biden becomes POTUS. Then at the convention the superdelegates decide they prefer him and his incumbency and leave an Email plagued Hillary. Not feeling comfortable with Bernie, the convention goes into numerous ballots and finally it's re-elect the President, President Biden gets the nomination. Make a damn good book. Speaking of books, Vegas odds would be interesting to see on this scenario, lol. 7500-1

That would be quite entertaining. Can I get the book pre-publication?
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Postby Tahar Joblis » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:46 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:I think Democrats have a point though:

If anything, there's a bunch of court cases that will be heard this year. With 8 Justices it will be difficult.

And mind you, Obama doesn't leave office until next January.

That's a long time to flatly refuse to do your constitutional duty.

The Republicans are going out on a limb here by announcing they will block any nominee made by Obama for the next eleven months.

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New Jerzylvania
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Postby New Jerzylvania » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:46 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
New Jerzylvania wrote:

LOL...Stockholm Syndrome.


Right, because liking someone on an internet forum on a personal level despite some major differences of opinion is JUST LIKE becoming so dependent on the approval of a captor that you begin to take on his belief
system.


The LOL has meaning here. Did you copy that? It means joke. Its a fucking JOKE!
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:47 pm

Novus America wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:I think Democrats have a point though:

If anything, there's a bunch of court cases that will be heard this year. With 8 Justices it will be difficult.


That is not their real concern. Let's stop pretending the Supreme Court is not hyper political. It is clear neither side on the court gives a crap about Constitution most of the time.

Neither side cares about the constitution. Just about winning.


That's true. *sigh*
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Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:47 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:I mean, if I was Obama, I'd nominate Kim Jong-un for shits and giggles. He's never going to nominate anybody Senate Republicans would confirm, because anyone acceptable would make Ronald Reagan look like Karl Marx.


And a while after that, it rolls right back around to being unpleasant.


Well, when anyone can point out where foreign opinions matter in a purely American internal affair, please do so.

Unless one of us is a Senator—I know I'm sure as hell not, and presumably you aren't either—then our opinions are worth just as much as theirs.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:47 pm

Novus America wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:I think Democrats have a point though:

If anything, there's a bunch of court cases that will be heard this year. With 8 Justices it will be difficult.


That is not their real concern. Let's stop pretending the Supreme Court is not hyper political. It is clear neither side on the court gives a crap about Constitution most of the time.

Neither side cares about the constitution. Just about winning.

With 8 justices, unless one recuses on a case where they should, we can't make a fair determination - common 5-4 decisions will be deadlocked and we'll never get a meaningful decision.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:47 pm

New Jerzylvania wrote:

Predictable as the time of the sunrise tomorrow.

As Biden said, "this is a big fucking deal." Especially if Barrack nominates himself to the SCOTUS and the GOP confirm him to get him out of the White House. ..

Unless he didn't leave the White House. I mean, does it say anywhere that you can't be President and a Supreme Court justice at the same time? Presijustice Obama.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:48 pm

Tahar Joblis wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:I think Democrats have a point though:

If anything, there's a bunch of court cases that will be heard this year. With 8 Justices it will be difficult.

And mind you, Obama doesn't leave office until next January.

That's a long time to flatly refuse to do your constitutional duty.

The Republicans are going out on a limb here by announcing they will block any nominee made by Obama for the next eleven months.


Do you think they will lose Senate seats out of this, though?
Soldati senza confini: Better than an iPod in shuffle more with 20,000 songs.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

"When it’s a choice of putting food on the table, or thinking about your morals, it’s easier to say you’d think about your morals, but only if you’ve never faced that decision." - Anastasia Richardson

Current Goal: Flesh out nation factbook.

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New Jerzylvania
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Postby New Jerzylvania » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:48 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
New Jerzylvania wrote:Predictable as the time of the sunrise tomorrow.

As Biden said, "this is a big fucking deal." Especially if Barrack nominates himself to the SCOTUS and the GOP confirm him to get him out of the White House.
Biden becomes POTUS. Then at the convention the superdelegates decide they prefer him and his incumbency and leave an Email plagued Hillary. Not feeling comfortable with Bernie, the convention goes into numerous ballots and finally it's re-elect the President, President Biden gets the nomination. Make a damn good book. Speaking of books, Vegas odds would be interesting to see on this scenario, lol. 7500-1

That would be quite entertaining. Can I get the book pre-publication?


You got it. Of course it won't be available til January 20, 2017. :lol:
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:48 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:I mean, if I was Obama, I'd nominate Kim Jong-un for shits and giggles. He's never going to nominate anybody Senate Republicans would confirm, because anyone acceptable would make Ronald Reagan look like Karl Marx.


And a while after that, it rolls right back around to being unpleasant.


Well, when anyone can point out where foreign opinions matter in a purely American internal affair, please do so.


It's a discussion forum. We in America express opinions regarding European matters all the damned time. We all do this regardless of geography, or at least most of us do. Their opinion counts as much as anyone's, which is to say that in the long run it makes no difference at all.

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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:48 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Tahar Joblis wrote:And mind you, Obama doesn't leave office until next January.

That's a long time to flatly refuse to do your constitutional duty.

The Republicans are going out on a limb here by announcing they will block any nominee made by Obama for the next eleven months.

Do you think they will lose Senate seats out of this, though?

Maybe one, if the electorate actually care enough.
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Postby New Jerzylvania » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:49 pm

Ifreann wrote:
New Jerzylvania wrote:Predictable as the time of the sunrise tomorrow.

As Biden said, "this is a big fucking deal." Especially if Barrack nominates himself to the SCOTUS and the GOP confirm him to get him out of the White House. ..

Unless he didn't leave the White House. I mean, does it say anywhere that you can't be President and a Supreme Court justice at the same time? Presijustice Obama.


Uh. Separation of powers, maybe? Jeez.
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Clinton/Kaine 2016

It is the solemn and patriotic duty of all true Americans to prevent the election of Donald J. Trump as the next President of the United States by use of the ballot box.
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Postby TheDrunkenLlamas » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:50 pm

Always sad when someone dies but can't say I'll be shedding any tears for this one. Rest in peace, asshole.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:50 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:I mean, if I was Obama, I'd nominate Kim Jong-un for shits and giggles. He's never going to nominate anybody Senate Republicans would confirm, because anyone acceptable would make Ronald Reagan look like Karl Marx.


And a while after that, it rolls right back around to being unpleasant.


Well, when anyone can point out where foreign opinions matter in a purely American internal affair, please do so.

I'll keep this in mind should you ever discuss the internal affairs of Europe or Canada. Things about our gun laws, economic policies, etc. Americans have this amazing tendency to give their opinion about other countries and their respective internal affairs but the second some foreigner discusses American internal matters it's "Mind your own damn business, foreigner".



Anyway, Nana is correct. BJP's politics aren't the matter of this topic.

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Postby Geilinor » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:50 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:Do you think they will lose Senate seats out of this, though?

Maybe one, if the electorate actually care enough.

Or maybe (hopefully) the GOP will realize how childish their position is.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:50 pm

New Jerzylvania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Unless he didn't leave the White House. I mean, does it say anywhere that you can't be President and a Supreme Court justice at the same time? Presijustice Obama.


Uh. Separation of powers, maybe? Jeez.

It's an interesting question, though. Does it actually say anywhere in the Constitution that the President can't also be on the Supreme Court?
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:51 pm

New Jerzylvania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Unless he didn't leave the White House. I mean, does it say anywhere that you can't be President and a Supreme Court justice at the same time? Presijustice Obama.

Uh. Separation of powers, maybe? Jeez.

The Constitution doesn't prohibit the president from also being a justice.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:51 pm

Tahar Joblis wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:I think Democrats have a point though:

If anything, there's a bunch of court cases that will be heard this year. With 8 Justices it will be difficult.

And mind you, Obama doesn't leave office until next January.

That's a long time to flatly refuse to do your constitutional duty.

The Republicans are going out on a limb here by announcing they will block any nominee made by Obama for the next eleven months.


It is also their Constitutional duty to NOT confirm a candidate if they have sufficient reason to do so. Congress is not there to merely rubber-stamp the Presidents choice, any more than the President is there to rubber-stamp Congressional decisions. Really, Congress refusing to confirm a candidate is no different from the POS vetoing a bill he disagrees with.
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