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What should the US Senate do with the nomination of Merrick Garland?

Refuse to hold hearings on Garland's nomination
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Hold hearings but reject Garland's nomination
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Hold hearings and approve Garland's nomination
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Total votes : 144

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Postby Jamzmania » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:28 am

The Archregimancy wrote:One other detail here...

If you look at the table a few posts back, there's at least one case of a Supreme Court justice being nominated and approved by a president after that president had lost one of the most controversial and bitterly contested elections in US history, but before the next president was inaugurated*.

John Marshall was nominated by the outgoing John Adams in January 1801 (in an era when presidential inaugurations were in March), after Adams had been crushed by Jefferson in the previous year's election.

Now, a precedent from January 1801 may not seem immediately binding on the process in 2016, and the Supreme Court is a very different beast now than it was then (in no small part thanks to John Marshall).

But let's consider this from a conservative strict constitutionalist position. Adams, Jefferson, and the various members of Congress involved presumably knew a thing or two about the intent of the framers of the US Constitution. Now, the nomination of Marshall wasn't wholly uncontroversial, but the controversy was over the Midnight Judges Act, not the president's right to appoint a Supreme Court justice - and a Chief Justice at that - even after he had been decisively rejected by the electorate. There was some brief prevarication over whether Adams might choose someone else, but no one disputed his right to make the appointment; Marshall was confirmed a week after his nomination. This despite the fact that the 'people' had roundly rejected the person making the appointment.

Clearly there was no intent on the part of the framers of the Constitution, many of whom were still highly active in politics at this point, that a lame duck president - even a lame duck president who had already lost an election - shouldn't have the right to nominate a candidate to a vacancy in the Supreme Court.

Refusing to even hold hearings on the basis that the 'people' should be given a say in a Supreme Court appointment in an electoral year is therefore a clear violation of the intent of the Constitution's framers.


And for what it's worth, most people presumably consider John Marshall to have been an outstandingly successful appointment.



* though the identity of that successor was yet to be determined due to the flaw in the constitution that allowed for the infamous Electoral College tie between Jefferson and Burr

Alright, I'll withdraw the point about precedent.

However, I never made the point that the President has no right to nominate a justice. I simply made the point that the Senate has no obligation or duty to confirm or even consider his nominees, and that this year they should wait until after the election to consider any nominees. This is a turning point in America and the people now have the chance to decide which direction they want to go.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:30 am

Khadgar wrote:
Valaran wrote:From what little I know of Garland, he seems a good choice. Hope he is approved.


If the Senate is smart he will be because Hillary will nominate someone who's younger and far more liberal, and Trump would nominate his daughter or someone with no qualifications. Garland is their best case scenario. If they pass it up it's their own fault.

IT would solidify Citizens united, as Clinton has the litmus test on that.
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Postby Jamzmania » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:34 am

Khadgar wrote:
Valaran wrote:From what little I know of Garland, he seems a good choice. Hope he is approved.


If the Senate is smart he will be because Hillary will nominate someone who's younger and far more liberal, and Trump would nominate his daughter or someone with no qualifications. Garland is their best case scenario. If they pass it up it's their own fault.

From what I know of Garland, he doesn't seem very friendly to Second Amendment rights. It seems likely he would have voted against the individual right to bear arms in D.C. v. Heller.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:42 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
If the Senate is smart he will be because Hillary will nominate someone who's younger and far more liberal, and Trump would nominate his daughter or someone with no qualifications. Garland is their best case scenario. If they pass it up it's their own fault.

From what I know of Garland, he doesn't seem very friendly to Second Amendment rights. It seems likely he would have voted against the individual right to bear arms in D.C. v. Heller.

Though it is hard to justify removing a right once it has been established.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:44 am

Jamzmania wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:One other detail here...

If you look at the table a few posts back, there's at least one case of a Supreme Court justice being nominated and approved by a president after that president had lost one of the most controversial and bitterly contested elections in US history, but before the next president was inaugurated*.

John Marshall was nominated by the outgoing John Adams in January 1801 (in an era when presidential inaugurations were in March), after Adams had been crushed by Jefferson in the previous year's election.

Now, a precedent from January 1801 may not seem immediately binding on the process in 2016, and the Supreme Court is a very different beast now than it was then (in no small part thanks to John Marshall).

But let's consider this from a conservative strict constitutionalist position. Adams, Jefferson, and the various members of Congress involved presumably knew a thing or two about the intent of the framers of the US Constitution. Now, the nomination of Marshall wasn't wholly uncontroversial, but the controversy was over the Midnight Judges Act, not the president's right to appoint a Supreme Court justice - and a Chief Justice at that - even after he had been decisively rejected by the electorate. There was some brief prevarication over whether Adams might choose someone else, but no one disputed his right to make the appointment; Marshall was confirmed a week after his nomination. This despite the fact that the 'people' had roundly rejected the person making the appointment.

Clearly there was no intent on the part of the framers of the Constitution, many of whom were still highly active in politics at this point, that a lame duck president - even a lame duck president who had already lost an election - shouldn't have the right to nominate a candidate to a vacancy in the Supreme Court.

Refusing to even hold hearings on the basis that the 'people' should be given a say in a Supreme Court appointment in an electoral year is therefore a clear violation of the intent of the Constitution's framers.


And for what it's worth, most people presumably consider John Marshall to have been an outstandingly successful appointment.



* though the identity of that successor was yet to be determined due to the flaw in the constitution that allowed for the infamous Electoral College tie between Jefferson and Burr

Alright, I'll withdraw the point about precedent.

However, I never made the point that the President has no right to nominate a justice. I simply made the point that the Senate has no obligation or duty to confirm or even consider his nominees, and that this year they should wait until after the election to consider any nominees. This is a turning point in America and the people now have the chance to decide which direction they want to go.

One assumes you would support a directly elected judiciary.

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Postby Khadgar » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:47 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
If the Senate is smart he will be because Hillary will nominate someone who's younger and far more liberal, and Trump would nominate his daughter or someone with no qualifications. Garland is their best case scenario. If they pass it up it's their own fault.

From what I know of Garland, he doesn't seem very friendly to Second Amendment rights. It seems likely he would have voted against the individual right to bear arms in D.C. v. Heller.


Garland has never presided over any cases dealing with gun rights despite what the NRA says.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... rrior.html

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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:47 am

Khadgar wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:From what I know of Garland, he doesn't seem very friendly to Second Amendment rights. It seems likely he would have voted against the individual right to bear arms in D.C. v. Heller.


Garland has never presided over any cases dealing with gun rights despite what the NRA says.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... rrior.html

He voted to grant en blanc review presumably to overturn a ruling that was favorable to gun rights.
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Postby Khadgar » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:51 am

greed and death wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
Garland has never presided over any cases dealing with gun rights despite what the NRA says.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... rrior.html

He voted to grant en blanc review presumably to overturn a ruling that was favorable to gun rights.


Hey you read literally one sentence of the article, and then didn't even refer to it correctly. Good job. Want a biscuit?

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Postby AiliailiA » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:59 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Trumpostan wrote:Maybe he simply takes the "well regulated" part seriously, unlike certain people who pretend those words aren't in the 2nd amendment.


The "well regulated militia" is every male from the ages of 17-45.

Relevant US code.


Well that's irrelevant, as the Militia Act came AFTER the Second Amendment. In fact, I'd just let it pass as being off-topic, except I can't resist pointing out how you shot yourself in the foot there:

(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.



"Well-ordered" would be 1 ... or 2 ?
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Postby Khadgar » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:00 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The "well regulated militia" is every male from the ages of 17-45.

Relevant US code.


Well that's irrelevant, as the Militia Act came AFTER the Second Amendment. In fact, I'd just let it pass as being off-topic, except I can't resist pointing out how you shot yourself in the foot there:

(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.



"Well-ordered" would be 1 ... or 2 ?


Well guns can be dangerous you know, accidental discharges happen.

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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:04 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The "well regulated militia" is every male from the ages of 17-45.

Relevant US code.


Well that's irrelevant, as the Militia Act came AFTER the Second Amendment. In fact, I'd just let it pass as being off-topic, except I can't resist pointing out how you shot yourself in the foot there:

(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.



"Well-ordered" would be 1 ... or 2 ?


Both since the language at the time had well-regulated to be more along the lines of functional, as in having arms needed to be a militia.
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Postby AiliailiA » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:16 am

greed and death wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
Well that's irrelevant, as the Militia Act came AFTER the Second Amendment. In fact, I'd just let it pass as being off-topic, except I can't resist pointing out how you shot yourself in the foot there:



"Well-ordered" would be 1 ... or 2 ?


Both


Seriously, g&d. Both?

You literally assert that "well-ordered" means "unorganized". :lol:

since the language at the time had well-regulated to be more along the lines of functional, as in having arms needed to be a militia.


I have no intention of getting into that. I'm only pointing out that WRA's source doesn't support their claim in even the most superficial way.
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Postby Jamzmania » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:17 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The "well regulated militia" is every male from the ages of 17-45.

Relevant US code.


Well that's irrelevant, as the Militia Act came AFTER the Second Amendment. In fact, I'd just let it pass as being off-topic, except I can't resist pointing out how you shot yourself in the foot there:

(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.



"Well-ordered" would be 1 ... or 2 ?

Also, being part of a militia has no influence on one's right to bear arms.
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Postby AiliailiA » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:18 am

Khadgar wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
Well that's irrelevant, as the Militia Act came AFTER the Second Amendment. In fact, I'd just let it pass as being off-topic, except I can't resist pointing out how you shot yourself in the foot there:



"Well-ordered" would be 1 ... or 2 ?


Well guns can be dangerous you know, accidental discharges happen.


Thus the vital importance of keeping them out of the hands of the little ladies. Who might hurt themselves unless they're specially trained.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:25 am

greed and death wrote:
He voted to grant en blanc review presumably to overturn a ruling that was favorable to gun rights.


The first part of that sentence is true; the second part of that sentence is a logical fallacy.

As the cited article outlines, one of the other judges to vote to grant that review was A. Raymond Randolph, a Bush II appointee who's one of the most conservative judges on the DC Appeals Circuit, and who's best known for his staunch judicial support of the Bush administration's policies towards Guantanamo Bay detainees and the use of military commissions for those detainees.

I think we can safely say that Randolph didn't vote to grant that review in order to overturn a ruling favourable to gun rights, so voting to grant the review is therefore not by itself evidence of opposition to a particular interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

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Postby The Romulan Republic » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:30 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The "well regulated militia" is every male from the ages of 17-45.

Relevant US code.


Well that's irrelevant, as the Militia Act came AFTER the Second Amendment. In fact, I'd just let it pass as being off-topic, except I can't resist pointing out how you shot yourself in the foot there:

(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.



"Well-ordered" would be 1 ... or 2 ?


What's hilarious, in a sad way, is that Trumpostan's definition of militia would make it perfectly okay to bar women and people over 45 from owning guns.

Hmm... wouldn't that level of discrimination fall afoul of Amendment number 14?
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Postby AiliailiA » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:30 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
Well that's irrelevant, as the Militia Act came AFTER the Second Amendment. In fact, I'd just let it pass as being off-topic, except I can't resist pointing out how you shot yourself in the foot there:



"Well-ordered" would be 1 ... or 2 ?

Also, being part of a militia has no influence on one's right to bear arms.


Apparently not. The majority in Heller v. DC held that the second clause isn't limited by the first. The judgement DOES go into the meaning of "well-ordered" though, not exactly sure why they bothered but it's there.

They also examine the meaning of "state" and quite bizarrely pick out the only other example of "state" being used in the constitution to mean anything other than a State of the Union. It's used dozens of times in the latter sense of course. Scalia picked out one time when it's used to mean a foreign country to show it doesn't always mean a State. Somehow concluding that "free state" means an environment of liberty for individuals.

"Security of a free state" isn't anything about states being able to defend themselves (by calling up a militia however defined). Apparently.
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Postby AiliailiA » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:46 am

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
Well that's irrelevant, as the Militia Act came AFTER the Second Amendment. In fact, I'd just let it pass as being off-topic, except I can't resist pointing out how you shot yourself in the foot there:



"Well-ordered" would be 1 ... or 2 ?


What's hilarious, in a sad way, is that Trumpostan's definition of militia would make it perfectly okay to bar women and people over 45 from owning guns.


It wasn't Trumpo ... anyway, that definition of militia is plainly intended to support the draft and/or conscription.

Not about individual rights after all, quite the opposite.

Hmm... wouldn't that level of discrimination fall afoul of Amendment number 14?


It SHOULD imo, but SCOTUS held that there's a compelling government interest or some bull, for selective service registration to apply to men but not women. Rostker v. Goldberg, 453 U.S. 57 (1981)

There's not a lot of heat in the subject since no-one seriously expects the draft to be used again. It does bother some people (including myself) that young men are required to give tacit consent OR state a specific objection to later being forced into service, as a condition of recieving student loans and such.

Maybe it will get another look. Could go differently now that women are permitted in combat roles by the military.
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Postby Neon Trotsky » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:07 pm

Jamzmania wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
If the Senate is smart he will be because Hillary will nominate someone who's younger and far more liberal, and Trump would nominate his daughter or someone with no qualifications. Garland is their best case scenario. If they pass it up it's their own fault.

From what I know of Garland, he doesn't seem very friendly to Second Amendment rights. It seems likely he would have voted against the individual right to bear arms in D.C. v. Heller.


There's really no evidence to say either way. Yes he voted to hear heller en banc or whatever but so did some conservatives, its not necessarily an ideological move.
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Postby Khadgar » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:11 pm

Neon Trotsky wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:From what I know of Garland, he doesn't seem very friendly to Second Amendment rights. It seems likely he would have voted against the individual right to bear arms in D.C. v. Heller.


There's really no evidence to say either way. Yes he voted to hear heller en band or whatever but so did some conservatives, its not necessarily an ideological move.


I think it's pretty telling that the republican's best line of attack is transparently bullshit.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:21 pm

Neon Trotsky wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:From what I know of Garland, he doesn't seem very friendly to Second Amendment rights. It seems likely he would have voted against the individual right to bear arms in D.C. v. Heller.


There's really no evidence to say either way. Yes he voted to hear heller en band or whatever but so did some conservatives, its not necessarily an ideological move.

En banc.

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Postby Neon Trotsky » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:22 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Neon Trotsky wrote:
There's really no evidence to say either way. Yes he voted to hear heller en band or whatever but so did some conservatives, its not necessarily an ideological move.

En banc.


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Postby Jamzmania » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:50 pm

Khadgar wrote:
Neon Trotsky wrote:
There's really no evidence to say either way. Yes he voted to hear heller en band or whatever but so did some conservatives, its not necessarily an ideological move.


I think it's pretty telling that the republican's best line of attack is transparently bullshit.

Actually my primary point has been not against the nominee himself but that I think the people should have their say in the future of the Court.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:54 pm

Jamzmania wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
I think it's pretty telling that the republican's best line of attack is transparently bullshit.

Actually my primary point has been not against the nominee himself but that I think the people should have their say in the future of the Court.

Which is why you want to wait until January 2021 before having confirmation hearings, and why you support an elected judiciary. So the people can have their say.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:56 pm

Neon Trotsky wrote:
Ifreann wrote:En banc.


Blasted autocorrect

You'd swear it didn't speak foreign.

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