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What should the US Senate do with the nomination of Merrick Garland?

Refuse to hold hearings on Garland's nomination
12
8%
Hold hearings but reject Garland's nomination
33
23%
Hold hearings and approve Garland's nomination
99
69%
 
Total votes : 144

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Neon Trotsky
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Postby Neon Trotsky » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:53 am

greed and death wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Hard to see how that's possible since they've decided already not to consider any nominees. The Senate is neglecting their constitutional duty.

Refusing to consider can be how they decide to handle those duties.


That doesn't mean they shouldn't be criticized for it

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:58 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Before Scalia died. If there is a need to elect a new president to allow the people to have their say, then there is a need to elect a new Senate. If there is no need to elect a new Senate, then there is no need to elect a new president. So which do you want? Confirmation hearings now, or in 2021?

You are missing the incredibly important fact that this is a presidential election year. The next president is being chosen as we speak.

And you are missing the incredibly important fact that if the people are to have their say then they must elect both a president and a Senate. Electing a whole new Senate will take until 2020.

I don't think you want the people to have their say at all. I think that's a lie that you're repeating because you want a Republican president to appoint a conservative judge and have them confirmed by a Republican senate, and you can't muster any legitimate argument why Obama should not make an appointment.

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Postby Khadgar » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:00 am

Explain something to me, why would anyone want Donald Trump to pick a supreme court justice? Can you imagine?

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:01 am

Khadgar wrote:Explain something to me, why would anyone want Donald Trump to pick a supreme court justice? Can you imagine?


He'd decide which TV Judge he liked the most.

Or start with turning the Supreme Court into The Bork Collective.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:01 am

Khadgar wrote:Explain something to me, why would anyone want Donald Trump to pick a supreme court justice? Can you imagine?

He'll appoint a section of wall, and make Mexico pay for its robes.

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Khadgar
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Postby Khadgar » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:04 am

Ifreann wrote:
Khadgar wrote:Explain something to me, why would anyone want Donald Trump to pick a supreme court justice? Can you imagine?

He'll appoint a section of wall, and make Mexico pay for its robes.


The robes will be very tasteful though, woven from pure gold thread.

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Postby Trumpostan » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:07 am

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... t-nominee/

A more recent poll. Folks 2-1 in favor of hearings, moderates 62-32. Good news for Dems. Only 49% of GOP'hers support all out obstruction. More evidence the GOP has split between two factions: obstructionist right wing extremists and the rest.
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Postby Jamzmania » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:09 am

Ifreann wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:You are missing the incredibly important fact that this is a presidential election year. The next president is being chosen as we speak.

And you are missing the incredibly important fact that if the people are to have their say then they must elect both a president and a Senate. Electing a whole new Senate will take until 2020.

I don't think you want the people to have their say at all. I think that's a lie that you're repeating because you want a Republican president to appoint a conservative judge and have them confirmed by a Republican senate, and you can't muster any legitimate argument why Obama should not make an appointment.

The U.S. Supreme Court has an immense amount of power. The American people should have their say this election season, as has been done for nearly 100 years, in what direction the Court goes. In Heller v. D.C., we were one vote away from losing our right to bear arms. The people need to choose now how they want their country to go.

You can speculate all you want as to my motivations but that does not change my point.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:12 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And you are missing the incredibly important fact that if the people are to have their say then they must elect both a president and a Senate. Electing a whole new Senate will take until 2020.

I don't think you want the people to have their say at all. I think that's a lie that you're repeating because you want a Republican president to appoint a conservative judge and have them confirmed by a Republican senate, and you can't muster any legitimate argument why Obama should not make an appointment.

The U.S. Supreme Court has an immense amount of power. The American people should have their say this election season, as has been done for nearly 100 years, in what direction the Court goes. In Heller v. D.C., we were one vote away from losing our right to bear arms. The people need to choose now how they want their country to go.

You can speculate all you want as to my motivations but that does not change my point.

They did, by electing Obama.

By this logic, the President can only elect justices their first year in office.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:14 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And you are missing the incredibly important fact that if the people are to have their say then they must elect both a president and a Senate. Electing a whole new Senate will take until 2020.

I don't think you want the people to have their say at all. I think that's a lie that you're repeating because you want a Republican president to appoint a conservative judge and have them confirmed by a Republican senate, and you can't muster any legitimate argument why Obama should not make an appointment.

The U.S. Supreme Court has an immense amount of power. The American people should have their say this election season, as has been done for nearly 100 years, in what direction the Court goes. In Heller v. D.C., we were one vote away from losing our right to bear arms. The people need to choose now how they want their country to go.

You can speculate all you want as to my motivations but that does not change my point.

You are talking out of your ass, your motivations are quite obvious.
President Obama was democratically elected by the people of the United States, the people DID have their say, you just think democracy stops being valid the moment there's a result you disagree with.
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Postby Jamzmania » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:15 am

Zeinbrad wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:The U.S. Supreme Court has an immense amount of power. The American people should have their say this election season, as has been done for nearly 100 years, in what direction the Court goes. In Heller v. D.C., we were one vote away from losing our right to bear arms. The people need to choose now how they want their country to go.

You can speculate all you want as to my motivations but that does not change my point.

They did, by electing Obama.

By this logic, the President can only elect justices their first year in office.

Again, they also gave Republicans the Senate. The Senate's advice? Wait until next year. Their consent? Not given.

Thus, using your logic, the people have still spoken to wait.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:17 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:They did, by electing Obama.

By this logic, the President can only elect justices their first year in office.

Again, they also gave Republicans the Senate. The Senate's advice? Wait until next year. Their consent? Not given.

Thus, using your logic, the people have still spoken to wait.

So the same logic stops being valid when it opposes you is that it?
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:18 am

Gauthier wrote:Supreme Court vacancies in presidential election years

The SCOTUSblog cites that SC vacancies have been filled during presidential election years so the idea that Obama should sit in the back of the bus like a good boy is partisan bullshit.


Republican and Democratic Presidents have filled Supreme Court vacancies during election years. Anyone claiming Obama doesn't have the right to is full of it.
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Trumpostan
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Postby Trumpostan » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:19 am

Some people simply want another bitter old fascist enemy of the people like Scalia who thinks that the more money you have, the more free speech you have.
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Jamzmania
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Postby Jamzmania » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:19 am

Genivaria wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:Again, they also gave Republicans the Senate. The Senate's advice? Wait until next year. Their consent? Not given.

Thus, using your logic, the people have still spoken to wait.

So the same logic stops being valid when it opposes you is that it?

My only point is that it is the precedent to wait and that in this case, the people choice for the next president should decide.
The Alexanderians wrote:"Fear no man or woman,
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Call upon me,
And I will equalize."

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:20 am

Trumpostan wrote:Some people simply want another bitter old fascist enemy of the people like Scalia who thinks that the more money you have, the more free speech you have.


They want to go further and turn the Supreme Court into The Bork Collective.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:20 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So the same logic stops being valid when it opposes you is that it?

My only point is that it is the precedent to wait and that in this case, the people choice for the next president should decide.

Please stop lying.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:21 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:They did, by electing Obama.

By this logic, the President can only elect justices their first year in office.

Again, they also gave Republicans the Senate. The Senate's advice? Wait until next year. Their consent? Not given.

Thus, using your logic, the people have still spoken to wait.

Actually, most people don't support the Republicans making a precedent out of their ass.

Name one time a justice hasn't been put on a election year. One.

This isn't advice, this is partisanship.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:21 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So the same logic stops being valid when it opposes you is that it?

My only point is that it is the precedent to wait


No, it really isn't.

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Postby Jamzmania » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:23 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:My only point is that it is the precedent to wait


No, it really isn't.

Yes, it really is, as I explained before.
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Call upon me,
And I will equalize."

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:24 am

Jamzmania wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
No, it really isn't.

Yes, it really is, as I explained before.

One false assertion after another explains nothing.
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:24 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It's going to cost them the senate


Doubtful, Democrats are notoriously bad when it comes to midterms.

Not to mention Republicans will probably be out in force if Hillary (shudders) wins.

As for me? I think they should hold the hearing but reject him.

pssst its not the midterms. its the general election which is when democrats bother to vote.
whatever

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Jamzmania
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Postby Jamzmania » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:29 am

Genivaria wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:Yes, it really is, as I explained before.

One false assertion after another explains nothing.

The last time the Senate confirmed a Supreme Court nominee in a presidential election year to fill a vacancy that arose in that year was 1932. The last time that happened in a divided government was 1888.
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Call upon me,
And I will equalize."

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:29 am

Jamzmania wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
No, it really isn't.

Yes, it really is, as I explained before.


It's a shame the facepalm smiley was abolished.

Supreme Court vacancies in presidential election years
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:29 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:They did, by electing Obama.

By this logic, the President can only elect justices their first year in office.

Again, they also gave Republicans the Senate. The Senate's advice? Wait until next year. Their consent? Not given.

Thus, using your logic, the people have still spoken to wait.

sure they can.

but when president sanders nominates a flaming liberal and the democratically controlled senate confirms him....well that's a far worse outcome than this moderate justice, eh?
whatever

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