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What should the US Senate do with the nomination of Merrick Garland?

Refuse to hold hearings on Garland's nomination
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8%
Hold hearings but reject Garland's nomination
33
23%
Hold hearings and approve Garland's nomination
99
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Total votes : 144

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:49 am

Merizoc wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:And they also had their say in 2014, which was a resounding rejection of Obama's policies.

Point me to the president that was elected in 2014.

They elected the senate which has the power to shoot down Scotus nominees.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:50 am

greed and death wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Point me to the president that was elected in 2014.

They elected the senate which has the power to shoot down Scotus nominees.

Shoot down. Not refuse to take shots at.

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:51 am

Merizoc wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:You realize that the president is not the sole participant in choosing justices, yes? The president must act with the advise and consent of the Senate, which the people delivered into Republican hands.

Hard to see how that's possible since they've decided already not to consider any nominees. The Senate is neglecting their constitutional duty.

Refusing to consider can be how they decide to handle those duties.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:51 am

greed and death wrote:
Merizoc wrote:The people had their say in November 2008 and 2012. Each time they gave Obama the mandate to nominate SCOTUS justices for the next years.

And the GOP the power to veto those nominations.

Well the senate should at least just have a long drawn out hearing and then veto the nominee. That would look much better than the two year old we have now.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:51 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:I wasn't aware we held a presidential recall election in 2014. Wait, we didn't? That's unconstitutional? Balderdash!

Oh you didn't see that rule? It's right next to thou shalt not approve of thy presidents SCOTUS nominations during thine election year.

I believe the exact wording is, "The President shall not make appointments to the Supreme Court, unless he is a Republican." See? It's right next to the clause reading, "All colored Persons elected to public Office shall only exercise their respective powers within the first three-fifths of their terms."
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:51 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Merizoc wrote:This is a POTUS election year....


...

Where exactly did I say it wasn't? Reading comprehension isn't a difficult thing.

Thermodolia wrote:I think this just might do it. Remember the current Republican Party is shambles, so there's something. I think this stunt will cost them the senate especially if the the senate leaders go back on no nominations. Even if it doesn't cost them Th senate it will hurt them.


We'll just have to wait and see I guess, I'm hoping the GOP holds it myself.

I would like to see the senate go blue.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:53 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Oh you didn't see that rule? It's right next to thou shalt not approve of thy presidents SCOTUS nominations during thine election year.

I believe the exact wording is, "The President shall not make appointments to the Supreme Court, unless he is a Republican." See? It's right next to the clause reading, "All colored Persons elected to public Office shall only exercise their respective powers within the first three-fifths of their terms."

Oh your right I missed that part.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:53 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Point me to the president that was elected in 2014.

You realize that the president is not the sole participant in choosing justices, yes? The president must act with the advise and consent of the Senate, which the people delivered into Republican hands.

Before Scalia died. If there is a need to elect a new president to allow the people to have their say, then there is a need to elect a new Senate. If there is no need to elect a new Senate, then there is no need to elect a new president. So which do you want? Confirmation hearings now, or in 2021?

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:55 am

Alvecia wrote:
greed and death wrote:They elected the senate which has the power to shoot down Scotus nominees.

Shoot down. Not refuse to take shots at.

They can shoot down by tabling.

Article 1, Section 5 Clause 2
Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, ...
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:57 am

greed and death wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Shoot down. Not refuse to take shots at.

They can shoot down by tabling.

Article 1, Section 5 Clause 2
Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, ...

That seems dangerously open ended.

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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:58 am

greed and death wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Shoot down. Not refuse to take shots at.

They can shoot down by tabling.

Article 1, Section 5 Clause 2
Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, ...

And the president may sit in bed all day. Doesn't mean he's doing what he's supposed to.

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:01 am

Alvecia wrote:
greed and death wrote:They can shoot down by tabling.

Article 1, Section 5 Clause 2

That seems dangerously open ended.

You can not have the President dictating when the legislature does something.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:02 am

Merizoc wrote:
greed and death wrote:They can shoot down by tabling.

Article 1, Section 5 Clause 2

And the president may sit in bed all day. Doesn't mean he's doing what he's supposed to.

To quote President Obama "that's what election are for"
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:06 am

greed and death wrote:
Merizoc wrote:And the president may sit in bed all day. Doesn't mean he's doing what he's supposed to.

To quote President Obama "that's what election are for"

You are aware of the issues of congressional incumbency, yes?
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:07 am

greed and death wrote:
Alvecia wrote:That seems dangerously open ended.

You can not have the President dictating when the legislature does something.

And yet, it seems, the legislature has the power to dictate that it does not have to do anything.

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Postby Jamzmania » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:16 am

Merizoc wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:You realize that the president is not the sole participant in choosing justices, yes? The president must act with the advise and consent of the Senate, which the people delivered into Republican hands.

Hard to see how that's possible since they've decided already not to consider any nominees. The Senate is neglecting their constitutional duty.

This is an idiotic statement. The Senate is under no obligation nor duty whatsoever to hold hearings for any presidential nominees. They, in fact, have announced their intention to consider any nominees after the new president is sworn in, but they are not "not doing their job" because that is not their job.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:16 am

Alvecia wrote:
greed and death wrote:You can not have the President dictating when the legislature does something.

And yet, it seems, the legislature has the power to dictate that it does not have to do anything.

The President could as well decide to do nothing, and the supreme court could elect not to grant cert to any cases.

In all cases the Democratic process is the remedy (for the court you have to elect a congress that impeaches).
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:18 am

Wallenburg wrote:
greed and death wrote:To quote President Obama "that's what election are for"

You are aware of the issues of congressional incumbency, yes?

If you can not overcome that then the issue was not that important now was it ?
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Postby Jamzmania » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:19 am

Ifreann wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:You realize that the president is not the sole participant in choosing justices, yes? The president must act with the advise and consent of the Senate, which the people delivered into Republican hands.

Before Scalia died. If there is a need to elect a new president to allow the people to have their say, then there is a need to elect a new Senate. If there is no need to elect a new Senate, then there is no need to elect a new president. So which do you want? Confirmation hearings now, or in 2021?

You are missing the incredibly important fact that this is a presidential election year. The next president is being chosen as we speak.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:26 am

This whole thing is gonna backfire horribly if Hillary (or Sanders) wins the election and nominates people even more liberal.

But then, they could always refuse to hold hearings for 4-8 years.

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Postby Alvecia » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:27 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Before Scalia died. If there is a need to elect a new president to allow the people to have their say, then there is a need to elect a new Senate. If there is no need to elect a new Senate, then there is no need to elect a new president. So which do you want? Confirmation hearings now, or in 2021?

You are missing the incredibly important fact that this is a presidential election year. The next president is being chosen as we speak.

But the current one is not yet finished.
If presidential terms only lasted as long as it took for the next election cycle to begin, terms would only be about 2 years.

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:35 am

Supreme Court vacancies in presidential election years

The SCOTUSblog cites that SC vacancies have been filled during presidential election years so the idea that Obama should sit in the back of the bus like a good boy is partisan bullshit.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:35 am

greed and death wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:You are aware of the issues of congressional incumbency, yes?

If you can not overcome that then the issue was not that important now was it ?

Why can't we overcome it?
I want to improve.
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Postby Trumpostan » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:44 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Garland is too liberal for me, but not even holding hearings is fairly dickish.

It's going to cost them the senate

It might cost Grassley his seat.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/poll-sco ... -senators/

D***ed if they do (their "base" will scream betrayal), d***ed if they don't. Early polls indicate there's a small but solid majority in favor of confirming a judge this year, and a huge majority in favor of at least holding hearings. Poll is two weeks old, held before this nomination which I think will solidify said majorities.

McConnell is sadly not up for reelection but he is basically committing treason against the constitution. More proof that GOP'hers don't love the constitution at all.
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Postby Jamzmania » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:51 am

Trumpostan wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It's going to cost them the senate

It might cost Grassley his seat.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/poll-sco ... -senators/

D***ed if they do (their "base" will scream betrayal), d***ed if they don't. Early polls indicate there's a small but solid majority in favor of confirming a judge this year, and a huge majority in favor of at least holding hearings. Poll is two weeks old, held before this nomination which I think will solidify said majorities.

McConnell is sadly not up for reelection but he is basically committing treason against the constitution. More proof that GOP'hers don't love the constitution at all.

As I said before, the Senate is under no obligation or duty whatsoever to hold any hearings.
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