NATION

PASSWORD

Replacing Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

What should the US Senate do with the nomination of Merrick Garland?

Refuse to hold hearings on Garland's nomination
12
8%
Hold hearings but reject Garland's nomination
33
23%
Hold hearings and approve Garland's nomination
99
69%
 
Total votes : 144

User avatar
Washington Resistance Army
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 53352
Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:10 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Garland is too liberal for me, but not even holding hearings is fairly dickish.

It's going to cost them the senate


Doubtful, Democrats are notoriously bad when it comes to midterms.

Not to mention Republicans will probably be out in force if Hillary (shudders) wins.

As for me? I think they should hold the hearing but reject him.
Last edited by Washington Resistance Army on Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:11 am, edited 1 time in total.
Hellenic Polytheist, Socialist

User avatar
Wallonesia
Secretary
 
Posts: 26
Founded: Jan 31, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Wallonesia » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:17 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Garland is too liberal for me, but not even holding hearings is fairly dickish.

It's going to cost them the senate


There's no better way to lose the Senate floor more like a hearing refusal. Losing the party nom to Trump/Cruz and then this?

I wish Republicans good luck for the rest of the year.
Nope, I am not Belgian, Dutch nor French and I do not speak any French as well. Sorry to disappoint.

User avatar
Greed and Death
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 53383
Founded: Mar 20, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Greed and Death » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:21 am

Lychgate wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It's going to cost them the senate

They've done plenty of things that would cost them the Senate. This may or may not be the breaking point.

On an individual level those not on the judiciary committee can claim they were willing to consider just the candidate never made it out of the committee.
"Trying to solve the healthcare problem by mandating people buy insurance is like trying to solve the homeless problem by mandating people buy a house."(paraphrase from debate with Hilary Clinton)
Barack Obama

User avatar
Jamzmania
Senator
 
Posts: 4863
Founded: Dec 01, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Jamzmania » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:23 am

No nominees should be considered until after the presidential election so that the people may have their say.
The Alexanderians wrote:"Fear no man or woman,
No matter what their size.
Call upon me,
And I will equalize."

-Engraved on the side of my M1911 .45

User avatar
Gauthier
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 52887
Founded: Antiquity
Ex-Nation

Postby Gauthier » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:26 am

Jamzmania wrote:No nominees should be considered until after the presidential election so that the people may have their say.


Sure, Mitch.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

User avatar
Greed and Death
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 53383
Founded: Mar 20, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Greed and Death » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:27 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:Reviving the thread intentionally since most relevant debate is already here.

We appear to have a nominee.

Merrick Garland.


He'll get blocked by the Senate for having a dubious 2A record. Hell, they'd probably block him no matter what.

Alvecia wrote:So what's an American Centrist when they're in Europe?


Center-right probably.


He has written his opinions very narrowly to avoid being nailed down (all judges hoping for higher appointment do), though he did seek to grant enblanc review in Heller.
"Trying to solve the healthcare problem by mandating people buy insurance is like trying to solve the homeless problem by mandating people buy a house."(paraphrase from debate with Hilary Clinton)
Barack Obama

User avatar
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 21324
Founded: Feb 20, 2012
Democratic Socialists

Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:32 am

Jamzmania wrote:No nominees should be considered until after the presidential election so that the people may have their say.

Luckily, the judiciary is not a democracy. The people get a say through their elected representative, whose mandate is still as strong as the day he was elected. The democratic mandate does not wane over the course of a four-year term.
The name's James. James Usari. Well, my name is not actually James Usari, so don't bother actually looking it up, but it'll do for now.
Lack of a real name means compensation through a real face. My debt is settled
Part-time Kebab tycoon in Glasgow.

User avatar
MERIZoC
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 23694
Founded: Dec 05, 2013
Left-wing Utopia

Postby MERIZoC » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:34 am

Jamzmania wrote:No nominees should be considered until after the presidential election so that the people may have their say.

The people had their say in November 2008 and 2012. Each time they gave Obama the mandate to nominate SCOTUS justices for the next years.

User avatar
Gauthier
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 52887
Founded: Antiquity
Ex-Nation

Postby Gauthier » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:35 am

Merizoc wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:No nominees should be considered until after the presidential election so that the people may have their say.

The people had their say in November 2008 and 2012. Each time they gave Obama the mandate to nominate SCOTUS justices for the next years.


Remember, Obama is only entitled to 3/5ths of a Presidency.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

User avatar
Thermodolia
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 76297
Founded: Oct 07, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:36 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It's going to cost them the senate


Doubtful, Democrats are notoriously bad when it comes to midterms.

Not to mention Republicans will probably be out in force if Hillary (shudders) wins.

As for me? I think they should hold the hearing but reject him.

Though this isn't a midterm year
Male, State Socialist, Cultural Nationalist, Welfare Chauvinist lives somewhere in AZ I'm GAY! Disabled US Military Veteran
I'm agent #69 in the Gaystapo!
>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
Click for Da Funies

RIP Dya

User avatar
Jamzmania
Senator
 
Posts: 4863
Founded: Dec 01, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Jamzmania » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:38 am

Merizoc wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:No nominees should be considered until after the presidential election so that the people may have their say.

The people had their say in November 2008 and 2012. Each time they gave Obama the mandate to nominate SCOTUS justices for the next years.

And they also had their say in 2014, which was a resounding rejection of Obama's policies.
The Alexanderians wrote:"Fear no man or woman,
No matter what their size.
Call upon me,
And I will equalize."

-Engraved on the side of my M1911 .45

User avatar
Washington Resistance Army
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 53352
Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:38 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Doubtful, Democrats are notoriously bad when it comes to midterms.

Not to mention Republicans will probably be out in force if Hillary (shudders) wins.

As for me? I think they should hold the hearing but reject him.

Though this isn't a midterm year


I just use the term as a catchall for non-POTUS elections. I myself don't see this costing them the senate, if years of obstruction and other nonsense didn't I don't think this will.
Hellenic Polytheist, Socialist

User avatar
MERIZoC
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 23694
Founded: Dec 05, 2013
Left-wing Utopia

Postby MERIZoC » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:40 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Merizoc wrote:The people had their say in November 2008 and 2012. Each time they gave Obama the mandate to nominate SCOTUS justices for the next years.

And they also had their say in 2014, which was a resounding rejection of Obama's policies.

Point me to the president that was elected in 2014.

User avatar
MERIZoC
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 23694
Founded: Dec 05, 2013
Left-wing Utopia

Postby MERIZoC » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:40 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Though this isn't a midterm year


I just use the term as a catchall for non-POTUS elections. I myself don't see this costing them the senate, if years of obstruction and other nonsense didn't I don't think this will.

This is a POTUS election year....

User avatar
Wallenburg
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 22345
Founded: Jan 30, 2015
Democratic Socialists

Postby Wallenburg » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:42 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Merizoc wrote:The people had their say in November 2008 and 2012. Each time they gave Obama the mandate to nominate SCOTUS justices for the next years.

And they also had their say in 2014, which was a resounding rejection of Obama's policies.

I wasn't aware we held a presidential recall election in 2014. Wait, we didn't? That's unconstitutional? Balderdash!
I want to improve.
grestin went through the MKULTRA program and he has more of a free will than wallenburg does - Imperial Idaho
King of Snark, General Assembly Secretary, Arbiter for The East Pacific


User avatar
Thermodolia
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 76297
Founded: Oct 07, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:42 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Though this isn't a midterm year


I just use the term as a catchall for non-POTUS elections. I myself don't see this costing them the senate, if years of obstruction and other nonsense didn't I don't think this will.

I think this just might do it. Remember the current Republican Party is shambles, so there's something. I think this stunt will cost them the senate especially if the the senate leaders go back on no nominations. Even if it doesn't cost them Th senate it will hurt them.
Male, State Socialist, Cultural Nationalist, Welfare Chauvinist lives somewhere in AZ I'm GAY! Disabled US Military Veteran
I'm agent #69 in the Gaystapo!
>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
Click for Da Funies

RIP Dya

User avatar
Thermodolia
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 76297
Founded: Oct 07, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:45 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:And they also had their say in 2014, which was a resounding rejection of Obama's policies.

I wasn't aware we held a presidential recall election in 2014. Wait, we didn't? That's unconstitutional? Balderdash!

Oh you didn't see that rule? It's right next to thou shalt not approve of thy presidents SCOTUS nominations during thine election year.
Male, State Socialist, Cultural Nationalist, Welfare Chauvinist lives somewhere in AZ I'm GAY! Disabled US Military Veteran
I'm agent #69 in the Gaystapo!
>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
Click for Da Funies

RIP Dya

User avatar
Washington Resistance Army
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 53352
Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:46 am

Merizoc wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I just use the term as a catchall for non-POTUS elections. I myself don't see this costing them the senate, if years of obstruction and other nonsense didn't I don't think this will.

This is a POTUS election year....


...

Where exactly did I say it wasn't? Reading comprehension isn't a difficult thing.

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I just use the term as a catchall for non-POTUS elections. I myself don't see this costing them the senate, if years of obstruction and other nonsense didn't I don't think this will.

I think this just might do it. Remember the current Republican Party is shambles, so there's something. I think this stunt will cost them the senate especially if the the senate leaders go back on no nominations. Even if it doesn't cost them Th senate it will hurt them.


We'll just have to wait and see I guess, I'm hoping the GOP holds it myself.
Hellenic Polytheist, Socialist

User avatar
Greed and Death
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 53383
Founded: Mar 20, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Greed and Death » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:46 am

Jamzmania wrote:No nominees should be considered until after the presidential election so that the people may have their say.

Judge Garland is moderate the judiciary committee will look to his gun rights record to try and extract something to deny nomination or to get some sort of promise to moderate, like a view that once a right is establish it should not be removed lightly.

Judge Garland was on the short list to replace Stevens in 2010, and was the presumptive nominee, rumor is that he was removed from the short list when he admitted to the President was correctly decided. And he did side with the majority in Speechnow.org v. FEC, which extended the Citzens United ruling and created SuperPACs.


Overall I think the GOP will confirm him as his seat on the bench will mean that they will continue to be able to out spend Democrats in non-Presidential election.
"Trying to solve the healthcare problem by mandating people buy insurance is like trying to solve the homeless problem by mandating people buy a house."(paraphrase from debate with Hilary Clinton)
Barack Obama

User avatar
Jamzmania
Senator
 
Posts: 4863
Founded: Dec 01, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Jamzmania » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:46 am

Merizoc wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:And they also had their say in 2014, which was a resounding rejection of Obama's policies.

Point me to the president that was elected in 2014.

You realize that the president is not the sole participant in choosing justices, yes? The president must act with the advise and consent of the Senate, which the people delivered into Republican hands.
The Alexanderians wrote:"Fear no man or woman,
No matter what their size.
Call upon me,
And I will equalize."

-Engraved on the side of my M1911 .45

User avatar
Greed and Death
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 53383
Founded: Mar 20, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Greed and Death » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:47 am

Merizoc wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:No nominees should be considered until after the presidential election so that the people may have their say.

The people had their say in November 2008 and 2012. Each time they gave Obama the mandate to nominate SCOTUS justices for the next years.

And the GOP the power to veto those nominations.
"Trying to solve the healthcare problem by mandating people buy insurance is like trying to solve the homeless problem by mandating people buy a house."(paraphrase from debate with Hilary Clinton)
Barack Obama

User avatar
Alvecia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 19953
Founded: Aug 17, 2015
Democratic Socialists

Postby Alvecia » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:48 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Point me to the president that was elected in 2014.

You realize that the president is not the sole participant in choosing justices, yes? The president must act with the advise and consent of the Senate, which the people delivered into Republican hands.

So the Senate is allowed to not do their job if they think it will benefit them as a party later down the line?

User avatar
Thermodolia
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 76297
Founded: Oct 07, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:49 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Point me to the president that was elected in 2014.

You realize that the president is not the sole participant in choosing justices, yes? The president must act with the advise and consent of the Senate, which the people delivered into Republican hands.

That's true. But the senate can't act like a two year old and sit in the corner and pout.
Male, State Socialist, Cultural Nationalist, Welfare Chauvinist lives somewhere in AZ I'm GAY! Disabled US Military Veteran
I'm agent #69 in the Gaystapo!
>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
Click for Da Funies

RIP Dya

User avatar
Ifreann
Post Overlord
 
Posts: 159079
Founded: Aug 07, 2005
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:49 am

Jamzmania wrote:No nominees should be considered until after the presidential election so that the people may have their say.

No appointee should be considered until after all the Senate elections. Class III are up for election this year, Class I are up in 2018 and Class II in 2020. So confirmation hearings can start in January 2021, and the people may have their say.

User avatar
MERIZoC
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 23694
Founded: Dec 05, 2013
Left-wing Utopia

Postby MERIZoC » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:49 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Point me to the president that was elected in 2014.

You realize that the president is not the sole participant in choosing justices, yes? The president must act with the advise and consent of the Senate, which the people delivered into Republican hands.

Hard to see how that's possible since they've decided already not to consider any nominees. The Senate is neglecting their constitutional duty.

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Enormous Gentiles, Eurocom, Giovanniland, Gustatopolis, Kubra, Namkada, Necroghastia, Page, Saiwana, The Holy Therns, The Xenopolis Confederation, Washington Resistance Army

Advertisement

Remove ads