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Postby Gavindale » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:03 pm

The Free State Project is a Libertarian political organization that has since 2001 sought to gather 20,000 pledges to move to the American state of New Hampshire in order to build communities of individuals that share the same political ideology. On February 3rd, 2016, the Free State Project announced that the 20,000 signature goal had been reached, and the people who have pledged to move to New Hampshire will do so within the next 5 years.

FSP president Carla Gericke said this during the announcement:
"You may be wondering what the future of the Free State looks like? We will be be unveiling a comprehensive plan about the next phase at Liberty Forum in a few weeks, but I can say this: We will continue to solicit signers, and we will be encouraging all past participants to move. Over the next few months, we will be reaching out to them via email, mail, and phone. Ultimately, we want 20,000 people to move to New Hampshire.

Now, I know the question you all want to ask is, how many will actually come? First, 10% have ALREADY come, without the move even being triggered. Second, it’s difficult to speculate at this time, but the goal remains 20,000 movers. Finally, I believe, if we build it, they will come.

As we continue to build on our early, impressive successes in the Granite State, the federal government will continue its brazen overreach, whether it is police state tactics like national surveillance and police militarization, or the unconstitutional wars taking a toll on millions of innocent lives across the world, or them trying to get their grubby little paws on OUR internet. As more people awaken to this reality, more people will seek solutions, which life in New Hampshire as part of the Free State offers.

In the future, we will see the expansion of personal and economic freedoms here. People somehow seem wary of the notion that freedom works, but what if New Hampshire can lead the way? If autobahns work in Germany, why can’t they work here? If pot legalization works in Amsterdam and Colorado, why can’t it work here? If gambling works in Monaco--or, apparently, as long as the government runs it, like the Lotto--why can’t it work here? If deregulated markets keep Hong Kong competitive, why can’t we see more of the same here? If unfavorable tax burdens are forcing people and companies to leave certain states, why not welcome them to New Hampshire and build the Silicon Millyard right here?

In ten to twenty years, I know New Hampshire will stand as a wealthy, prosperous, autonomous example--a beacon of liberty--for the rest of the world to emulate. The future for the Free State Project in New Hampshire looks bright... First New Hampshire, then the world!"

Her full speech can be found here: https://freestateproject.org/blogs/press-releases/its-official-fsp-president-carla-gerickes-speech-trigger-move-press-conference


The FSP clearly has high hopes for this project, but I'm skeptical about how successful they will be at getting the 20,000 people to move to New Hampshire - especially those that pledged 15 years ago when the organization started their campaign. I'm also curious as to how much they would be able to change in the state of New Hampshire, which despite having a large number of independent voters, tends to lean solidly Democrat. What do you think? Will the FSP succeed in creating a Libertarian state?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:06 pm

What happened to their floating island state idea?
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Postby Gavindale » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:08 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:What happened to their floating island state idea?

The Chinese beat them to it
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Postby Shofercia » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:10 pm

Gavindale wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:What happened to their floating island state idea?

The Chinese beat them to it


Next Chinese stop: New Hampshire!

First New Hampshire, then the world!
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Postby Ashmoria » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:00 am

so when maybe 200 of those move to NH (being optimistic) will that change anything about NH?
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Postby Khadgar » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:30 am

Is this the same group who bought a bunch of land in .. Chile (maybe)? I don't remember the last libertarian state doing particularly well.

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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:43 am

So what exactly can they "offer"? They're not founding an independent nation, they're just a bunch of people moving to a place.

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Postby Gavindale » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:55 am

Anywhere Else But Here wrote:So what exactly can they "offer"? They're not founding an independent nation, they're just a bunch of people moving to a place.

They just want to concentrare themselves, so they can amplify their political power and elect Libertarian politicians.

They're shooting for a "snowball" effect, they believe that if they can turn New Hampshire into a successful Libertarian state, then their movement will grow.
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Postby Khadgar » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:56 am

Gavindale wrote:
Anywhere Else But Here wrote:So what exactly can they "offer"? They're not founding an independent nation, they're just a bunch of people moving to a place.

They just want to concentrare themselves, so they can amplify their political power and elect Libertarian politicians.

They're shooting for a "snowball" effect, they believe that if they can turn New Hampshire into a successful Libertarian state, then their movement will grow.


Isn't a Libertarian State an oxymoron?

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Postby Gavindale » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:56 am

Khadgar wrote:Is this the same group who bought a bunch of land in .. Chile (maybe)? I don't remember the last libertarian state doing particularly well.

No, this group was founded for the sole purpose of getting Libertarians to move to New Hampshire
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Postby Gavindale » Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:00 am

Khadgar wrote:
Gavindale wrote:They just want to concentrare themselves, so they can amplify their political power and elect Libertarian politicians.

They're shooting for a "snowball" effect, they believe that if they can turn New Hampshire into a successful Libertarian state, then their movement will grow.


Isn't a Libertarian State an oxymoron?


Libertarians generally believe in, as Rand Paul puts it, "A government so small you can barely see it". So no, not really. Some Libertarians may be anarchists, but I think most are minarchists that believe in a small state - not a nonexistent one.
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Postby Alvecia » Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:01 am

"All Libertarians move to New Hampshire!"
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Postby Khadgar » Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:01 am

Gavindale wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
Isn't a Libertarian State an oxymoron?


Libertarians generally believe in, as Rand Paul puts it, "A government so small you can barely see it". So no, not really. Some Libertarians may be anarchists, but I think most are minarchists that believe in a small state - not a nonexistent one.


Well I wish them luck, actually I wish they'd found their own country so the rest of us don't end up footing the bill when this inevitably implodes, but same thing really.

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This will fold faster than the world origami champion.
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Postby Philosophical Perfectionist » Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:09 am

Americans do not want libertarians to lead them, even if they are inside either of the two major parties. The underwhelming successes, if any at all, of both Pauls, Schwarzenegger and many others prove this.

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Postby Gavindale » Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:30 am

Philosophical Perfectionist wrote:Americans do not want libertarians to lead them, even if they are inside either of the two major parties. The underwhelming successes, if any at all, of both Pauls, Schwarzenegger and many others prove this.

I think a growing number of Americans are dissatisfied with the American political system, and I think that is going to lead to the growth of the Libertarian party. Especially if the Republican Party splits.
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Postby Khadgar » Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:56 am

Gavindale wrote:
Philosophical Perfectionist wrote:Americans do not want libertarians to lead them, even if they are inside either of the two major parties. The underwhelming successes, if any at all, of both Pauls, Schwarzenegger and many others prove this.

I think a growing number of Americans are dissatisfied with the American political system, and I think that is going to lead to the growth of the Libertarian party. Especially if the Republican Party splits.


You know, I've heard that for the last 16 years, ain't seen evidence of it yet.

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Postby Frank Zipper » Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:17 am

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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:17 am

Gavindale wrote:
Anywhere Else But Here wrote:So what exactly can they "offer"? They're not founding an independent nation, they're just a bunch of people moving to a place.

They just want to concentrare themselves, so they can amplify their political power and elect Libertarian politicians.

They're shooting for a "snowball" effect, they believe that if they can turn New Hampshire into a successful Libertarian state, then their movement will grow.


There are over a million people in New Hampshire. They'd need hundreds, not tens, of thousands of Libertarians to change anything.

Now if they all moved to Liechtenstein they might have a chance.

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Postby Diopolis » Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:27 am

It seems like 20,000 people isn't enough to flip a state into supporting a nonentity.
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Postby Bothara » Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:40 am

New Hampshire has a population of about 1.3 million. 20,000 people isn't going to do a whole lot, unfortunately.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:07 am

Kelinfort wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bir_Tawil

Move here.

I'm sure that Egypt and Sudan could agree that regardless of which of them owns Bir Tawil, libertarians don't.

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Postby Geilinor » Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:20 am

Alvecia wrote:"All Libertarians move to New Hampshire!"
"You can't tell me what to do! What do you think you are, some kind of government?!"

This^. I don't think libertarians will dedicate themselves to an organized movement for long.
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Postby Ashmoria » Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:29 am

Gavindale wrote:
Anywhere Else But Here wrote:So what exactly can they "offer"? They're not founding an independent nation, they're just a bunch of people moving to a place.

They just want to concentrare themselves, so they can amplify their political power and elect Libertarian politicians.

They're shooting for a "snowball" effect, they believe that if they can turn New Hampshire into a successful Libertarian state, then their movement will grow.

new Hampshire is doing very well right now without extra libertarianism. seems to me all they can do is make it worse.
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