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Postby Samnoreg » Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:19 am

Nobel Peace Prize winner and Burmese stateswoman Aung San Suu Kyi's party, the democratic socialist National League for Democracy, has won a super majority in ပြည်ထောင်စု လွှတ်တော် (The Assembly of Union), the parliament of Myanmar. The Myanmar General Election of 2015 was held this past November, with the NLD taking 86% of the seats in parliament, with 255 seats won in the upper house (House of Nationalities), and 135 seats won in the lower house (House of Representatives). The Burmese Military တပ်မတော် (Tatmadaw) still retains a quarter of the seats in Parliament by rule of Myanmar's constitution, but it would seem that this election could be a turning point in Myanmar's history, in a move towards a more democratic society.

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Aung San Suu Kyi's Party Takes Control Of Myanmar's Parliament
For the first time in decades, a freely elected parliament took its seats in Myanmar on Monday, with the party of Nobel Peace Prize winner Aung San Suu Kyi preparing to run the country. The change comes after years of strife — and a weekend of celebration.

That celebration included both incoming and outgoing officials, who sang and danced onstage at a huge party — an uplifting end to an era of military junta rule that had forced Suu Kyi into years of living under house arrest.

NPR's Anthony Kuhn reports:

"Lawmakers from Suu Kyi's party, the National League for Democracy, were sworn in the cavernous parliament building in the capital, Naypitaw.
"Myanmar's military-drafted constitution bars Suu Kyi from being president, so she has said she'll select a proxy from her party for the job. Suu Kyi has not revealed who she'll choose, but that person will take office after the current president stands down next month."
The constitution includes a clause stating that anyone whose children are foreign citizens is barred from being president; Suu Kyi's children were born in Britain and hold British passports.

Myanmar's military still controls a quarter of the seats in parliament — another provision in the constitution. But Suu Kyi's party won 80 percent of the seats up for grabs in November's historic election.

Myanmar's opposition party has won before, but that was in 1990, when the country's military refused to relinquish power, a decision that brought broad criticisms and economic sanctions.

So far, the transition of power has been smooth.

With his five-year term set to elapse next month, President U Thein Sein called on members of the existing government to work with the incoming lawmakers to smooth the transition. And he said that his goal has been to restore peace and tranquility before last year's democratic vote.

"We have never thought of which party will win the 2015 election," he said. [The country's prosperity] is, in fact, a broader and higher objective, regardless of having hope for a second term for me or for my party. This is a national objective, much nobler than individual or group interest. This objective is important to strengthen democracy in Myanmar."

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Feb. 1, 2016
Aung San Suu Kyi's National League for Democracy party won about 80 percent of the contested seats in parliament during the November elections. The military controls a quarter of the 664 seats.


While not exactly recent news (seeing as the elections were held this past November), I felt there ought to be a thread dedicated to this particular topic, as I have not yet seen one posted.

I personally think that while this election's results are promising and no foul play has occurred as of yet, things could still go south for the new government. I hope that the military decides to let democracy play out at this point, but one can never be too sure whether or not they'll be willing to relinquish that much power. Regardless, this election is no doubt a step in the right direction for lasting democracy in Myanmar.

So, NSG! What are your thoughts on this election? Do you think NLD is capable of bringing meaningful, democratic reform to Myanmar? Do you think the military hegemony will even permit such reform to take place (or for that matter, continue to recognise the results of the election)? The forum is open: Discuss!! Thus concluding my first attempted thread on NSG *whew*
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We'll be hearing about a coup before too long.
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The Nuclear Fist wrote:We'll be hearing about a coup before too long.

Let's hope not.
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Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:*Burma

Either is fine. You're stating the spoken form of the word in their language, so the OP is technically correct with the written form.
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Balkan Crusader wrote:I am little bit sceptical about her. She is getting to much positive publicity in the western media. It seems she is an American players and pro-western.
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Postby Tolko Temnota » Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:17 pm

Balkan Crusader wrote:I am little bit sceptical about her. She is getting to much positive publicity in the western media. It seems she is an American players and pro-western.

If democracy and freedom are "pro-western", then sure.
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Balkan Crusader wrote:I am little bit sceptical about her. She is getting to much positive publicity in the western media. It seems she is an American players and pro-western.


Pro western =/= bad. Also being ruled by Chinese regime shills has not done Myanmar any good.
The West has problems but is better by nearly any measure of freedom. Certainly better than China's de facto fascist regime.
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Postby Novus America » Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:36 pm

Considering freedom and democracy are declining in most of the world those who want freedom and democracy need every victory we can get.

This is a major improvement but even with this Myanmar's constitution ensures regardless of who wins the vote, the old kleptocrats still maintain a disproportionate so amount of power. Still a step in the right direction, a glimmer of hope in a world sliding backward towards reactionary autocracy.

Interesting too that the Chinese regime is seeing their puppets get crushed electorally in Myanmar and Taiwan.
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Postby Cetacea » Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:49 pm

Novus America wrote:
Balkan Crusader wrote:I am little bit sceptical about her. She is getting to much positive publicity in the western media. It seems she is an American players and pro-western.


Pro western =/= bad. Also being ruled by Chinese regime shills has not done Myanmar any good.
The West has problems but is better by nearly any measure of freedom. Certainly better than China's de facto fascist regime.



China-Myanmar relations have been declining since 2005 to the point that even as opposition leader Suu Kyi has been an official guest of Beijing and Xi Jinping himself. China of course needs to manage its neighbours but the real beneficiary of NLDs rise is likely to be India as a proxy for the 'West' it would be good to think it will be of benefit to the Burmese too
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Cetacea wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Pro western =/= bad. Also being ruled by Chinese regime shills has not done Myanmar any good.
The West has problems but is better by nearly any measure of freedom. Certainly better than China's de facto fascist regime.



China-Myanmar relations have been declining since 2005 to the point that even as opposition leader Suu Kyi has been an official guest of Beijing and Xi Jinping himself. China of course needs to manage its neighbours but the real beneficiary of NLDs rise is likely to be India as a proxy for the 'West' it would be good to think it will be of benefit to the Burmese too


China seems to be struggling with the concept of diplomacy. Apparently their government cannot see that threats and one way exploitation does not win friends. Countries are happy to take Chinese money until they read the fine print and see long term the Chinese government always takes away far more than they give.
The US and West have made similar mistakes like in South America.

I think it will be good for the Burmese too as they can ideally make reciprocal mutually beneficial agreements with India and the west.
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Balkan Crusader wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Pro western =/= bad. Also being ruled by Chinese regime shills has not done Myanmar any good.
The West has problems but is better by nearly any measure of freedom. Certainly better than China's de facto fascist regime.

Oh, there is the rabbit. So, because she is against Chinese, she is necesarly democratic and "good". The same told the western press about FSA and other jihadist franchise.


Well the west does want pro western people in power. This is not evil, merely logical. China wants pro Chinese governments. I do not blame them, but I am not on their side. If you root for say your citiey's sports team over a rival city it is not a moral battle. You simply want your side to win.

And while some over our friendly regimes are vile, the fact is a democracy will benefit Burma more than China stealing their resources and only the regime benefitting from bribes and kickbacks.

A independent pro western democracy will be good for them. A pro western exploitative dictatorship would not. But they are getting the democracy.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:21 pm

Balkan Crusader wrote:And you also cannot gurantee that democracy will not bring Burma more misery than the Chinese rule. :)

People who criticize the leader or google 'freedom' won't be tortured to death, so I'd argue that just by that metric they'd be better off than under a Chinese-backed dictatorship. Or the military wackos they had before.
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Balkan Crusader wrote:
Novus America wrote:Well the west does want pro western people in power. This is not evil, merely logical. China wants pro Chinese governments. I do not blame them, but I am not on their side. If you root for say your citiey's sports team over a rival city it is not a moral battle. You simply want your side to win.

And while some over our friendly regimes are vile, the fact is a democracy will benefit Burma more than China stealing their resources and only the regime benefitting from bribes and kickbacks.

A independent pro western democracy will be good for them. A pro western exploitative dictatorship would not. But they are getting the democracy.

Well, yes it is ok and natural to cheer for "your" side. It is perfectly fine.
Just, only in that case make your media stop claiming they are "independent and unbiased". Because it is not. I would rather the NYT, Bloomber and other outleats will say: "Yes, she is good because it is on our side". In that case your media would be more trustworthy. Otherwise it is not different than let say RT.

And, please, how would you know that Burma will benefit it is enter your system of rule. You do not matter for the consequence, only to get a one more nation in your block. Did the Burmese actually want it? Or is she installed like in Ukraine or now in Syria?

Just like in Libya the American did not care that today Libya is in a civil war. It only cares that both sides are pro-American. And you also cannot gurantee that democracy will not bring Burma more misery than the Chinese rule. :)

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Balkan Crusader wrote:
Novus America wrote:Well the west does want pro western people in power. This is not evil, merely logical. China wants pro Chinese governments. I do not blame them, but I am not on their side. If you root for say your citiey's sports team over a rival city it is not a moral battle. You simply want your side to win.

And while some over our friendly regimes are vile, the fact is a democracy will benefit Burma more than China stealing their resources and only the regime benefitting from bribes and kickbacks.

A independent pro western democracy will be good for them. A pro western exploitative dictatorship would not. But they are getting the democracy.

Well, yes it is ok and natural to cheer for "your" side. It is perfectly fine.
Just, only in that case make your media stop claiming they are "independent and unbiased". Because it is not. I would rather the NYT, Bloomber and other outleats will say: "Yes, she is good because it is on our side". In that case your media would be more trustworthy. Otherwise it is not different than let say RT.

And, please, how would you know that Burma will benefit it is enter your system of rule. You do not matter for the consequence, only to get a one more nation in your block. Did the Burmese actually want it? Or is she installed like in Ukraine or now in Syria?

Just like in Libya the American did not care that today Libya is in a civil war. It only cares that both sides are pro-American. And you also cannot gurantee that democracy will not bring Burma more misery than the Chinese rule. :)


Well there is being biased. And out right lies. Biased news can still be true. Counterfactual bullshit is counterfactual bullshit. All news is biased. But it is all not equally biased or equally true.

She was elected, not installed. The people chose her.
America does care Libya is in a civil war. We are trying to get both sides to negotiate. But it is now at least an uneasy truce and no longer raging.

At least with democracy they have freedom to chose. Express opinions and ideas on how to change things without being jailed or killed. And it is not like things can be much worse.

Unless you have the unicorn rare "good" dictator democracy gives you the ability to advocate change. Under a dictator when things are bad you have no hope of fixing them as you have no say.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:34 pm

Balkan Crusader wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:People who criticize the leader or google 'freedom' won't be tortured to death, so I'd argue that just by that metric they'd be better off than under a Chinese-backed dictatorship. Or the military wackos they had before.

So, you think Libya is now better off than during Gadafi?

Given that Gaddafi's brutality and extreme corruption are what caused the rebellion in the first place, I'd argue that what happened in Libya was inevitable. All the West did was turn what was going to be a long, drawn out Syria-style civil war to something that didn't even last a year.

Gaddafi caused the problem in the first place. People would have gotten sick of his shit eventually, and given that he had a long history of directly sponsoring terrorism in the West, he's lucky boots were never sent to stop his head to jelly.
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Balkan Crusader wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:People who criticize the leader or google 'freedom' won't be tortured to death, so I'd argue that just by that metric they'd be better off than under a Chinese-backed dictatorship. Or the military wackos they had before.

So, you think Libya is now better off than during Gadafi?


Yes. Under Gaddafi the civil war was much more brutal. Under Gaddafi Libya collapsed into a horrible civil war and de facto partition. You seem to forget the war started when Gaddafi was still in power.
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Balkan Crusader wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:"Democracy is the worst form of government besides all others that have been tried"
Is it perfect? Nope, but at least people can say they hate their government

Guess, what. The most majority of the world do not give a shit whether they can critise the government or not, as long the gov. guarantee them stability and economic standard. For most people the concept of human right is to apstract and stupid, therefore they prioritise other values.

Really. The folks I met in Africa, Syria, India and Pakistan largly disagree
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Balkan Crusader wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:People who criticize the leader or google 'freedom' won't be tortured to death, so I'd argue that just by that metric they'd be better off than under a Chinese-backed dictatorship. Or the military wackos they had before.

So, you think Libya is now better off than during Gadafi?

Internationalist Bastard wrote:"Democracy is the worst form of government besides all others that have been tried"
Is it perfect? Nope, but at least people can say they hate their government

Guess, what. The most majority of the world do not give a shit whether they can critise the government or not, as long the gov. guarantee them stability and economic standard. For most people the concept of human right is to apstract and stupid, therefore they prioritise other values.


Even so look at the list of wealthiest countries. Most are democracies. Most dictatorships are meanwhile horribly impoverished.

Under the Chinese sponsored military regime Burma was dirt poor with very high crime and an insurgency in the south.
So yeah, your arguement fails as dictatorships in most cases fail to bring either wealth or stability.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:50 pm

Balkan Crusader wrote:
Novus America wrote:Even so look at the list of wealthiest countries. Most are democracies. Most dictatorships are meanwhile horribly impoverished.

Under the Chinese sponsored military regime Burma was dirt poor with very high crime and an insurgency in the south.
So yeah, your arguement fails as dictatorships in most cases fail to bring either wealth or stability.

Sorry, the first paragraph is just not true. Look at Russia. The people from there do not want American democracy and freedom. Look at Saudi Arabia. On other hand there is plenty of poor democracies like South America, South Africa. They are live in poverty and have democracy.

The people used to believed this what you are saying. Back in the Cold War. But experiance from the 90s and 00s showed something else. I also live in a democracy which, and frankly could not give a shit if it dies one day if this bring me better social status and pride.No one more believe in this dyhotomy.

Well one, Russia does have representative democracy, two, there are a lot of Russians who want a more American style system. There's a whole party for them.
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Balkan Crusader wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Well one,1. Russia does have representative democracy, 2) two, there are a lot of Russians who want a more American style system. There's a whole party for them.

1) Really? :o Whenever I open some western media they all scream Putin is a dictator.
2) They are actually a wast minority. Which party exactly?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Just_Russia. Many of them support American democracy. I don't have an actual source, just Russian friends
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:04 pm

The election was held last year, today is the day the new parliament took office. It's been a reasonably peaceful transition so far, hopefully more good things will be ahead.
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

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