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Why Should Muslims Be Allowed In the West?

Postby Mega City 5 » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:10 pm

Why do liberals think that it's a good idea to permit Muslims to immigrate into the West in such massive numbers?

Conservatives have been insisting, over and over again, that if we let in Muslims into the US and Europe, we are going to see more crime, more terrorism, and more problems for us.

The liberals, of course, seem to think that this won't happen, and imply that we are bigots and racists for even thinking that.

Well, lo and behold, there are more and more Muslims in Europe, and we are seeing more and more crime, more rape, and a whole bunch of other problems that didn't use to be there. Sweden is the rape capital of Europe because of Muslims.

And when we point out things like this, liberals seem to have no coherent answer for us. The most that you people can muster is: "But it's only a small minority. Most of them aren't like that. If you want to get rid of all of them because of the actions of a few, then you are a racist!"

Meanwhile, of course, they would never accept this argument from the NRA: "But only a small minority of guns are used for illegal activities. Most gun owners are responsible. If you want to pass stricter laws for all gun-owners because of the actions of a few, then you are anti-freedom, anti-self defense and anti-constitution!"

The simple fact is this:

"Small minority" or not, Europe (and soon, I bet, the US) is facing problems that it didn't have to face before, and the cause of these problems is Islamic immigration. They need to get out and stay out. Period. End of story.

You disagree with me? Then that just tells me that you value this "diversity" liberal nonsense more than you actually value law, order and safety.

So, again, I ask you:

Why do you think this is a good idea? What are your arguments in favor of this?

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Postby The Orson Empire » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:15 pm

Saying all Muslims should be banned from a certain country is racist. You cannot generalize an entire ethic group based on the actions of a few bad apples.

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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:16 pm

First of all, please get a blog.

That aside, you seem to be insisting that it's specifically because of Islamic immigration that this problem arises. What you fail to realize is that with any group of immigrants, there will be those who are crude, ruthless, and immoral. It's not just Muslims (revelation!).
So basically, your entire claim is unsupported in that it's not Muslim's that are the problem; it's human nature.

Feel free to make a substantiated claim.
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:17 pm

Because it would be unconstitutional to remove them from the US.
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Postby Zoice » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:17 pm

Mega City 5 wrote:Why do liberals think that it's a good idea to permit Muslims to immigrate into the West in such massive numbers?

Conservatives have been insisting, over and over again, that if we let in Muslims into the US and Europe, we are going to see more crime, more terrorism, and more problems for us.

The liberals, of course, seem to think that this won't happen, and imply that we are bigots and racists for even thinking that.

Well, lo and behold, there are more and more Muslims in Europe, and we are seeing more and more crime, more rape, and a whole bunch of other problems that didn't use to be there. Sweden is the rape capital of Europe because of Muslims.

And when we point out things like this, liberals seem to have no coherent answer for us. The most that you people can muster is: "But it's only a small minority. Most of them aren't like that. If you want to get rid of all of them because of the actions of a few, then you are a racist!"

Meanwhile, of course, they would never accept this argument from the NRA: "But only a small minority of guns are used for illegal activities. Most gun owners are responsible. If you want to pass stricter laws for all gun-owners because of the actions of a few, then you are anti-freedom, anti-self defense and anti-constitution!"

The simple fact is this:

"Small minority" or not, Europe (and soon, I bet, the US) is facing problems that it didn't have to face before, and the cause of these problems is Islamic immigration. They need to get out and stay out. Period. End of story.

You disagree with me? Then that just tells me that you value this "diversity" liberal nonsense more than you actually value law, order and safety.

So, again, I ask you:

Why do you think this is a good idea? What are your arguments in favor of this?

The question should be "Why shouldn't they be?".

And if you are going to say that the reason they can't is because of the crime rate, then to be consistent you have to acknowledge every other group that has high crime rates. So let's all ban poor people too, while we're at it. Ban evangelical christians, because they tend to be homophobic.
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Postby Geilinor » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:17 pm

Are you against the amount of immigration or the existence of Muslims in the West?
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Postby Nariterrr » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:18 pm

Yes. I do not want to unconstitutionally restrict people from going places. Let them go wherever they wan't to. Free country.
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Postby Mega City 5 » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:18 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:Saying all Muslims should be banned from a certain country is racist. You cannot generalize an entire ethic group based on the actions of a few bad apples.


Forgive me if I'm not particularly convinced by your cries of "racism."

The effects/consequences of Islamic immigration, the impact of letting Muslims into Europe and the US is undeniable.

Again, I repeat:

Sweden is the rape capital of Europe. It would be the rape capital of the world, but South Africa, I believe, currently holds that title.

And again:

Do you accept that argument from the NRA?
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Postby MacFee » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:19 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:Because it would be unconstitutional to remove them from the US.


Ever hear about Operation Wetback?
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:19 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:Saying all Muslims should be banned from a certain country is racist. You cannot generalize an entire ethic group based on the actions of a few bad apples.

moslem is a race?

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Postby Geilinor » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:19 pm

Mega City 5 wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Saying all Muslims should be banned from a certain country is racist. You cannot generalize an entire ethic group based on the actions of a few bad apples.


Forgive me if I'm not particularly convinced by your cries of "racism."

The effects/consequences of Islamic immigration, the impact of letting Muslims into Europe and the US is undeniable.

Again, I repeat:

Sweden is the rape capital of Europe. It would be the rape capital of the world, but South Africa, I believe, currently holds that title.

And again:

Do you accept that argument from the NRA?

Not that "rape capital" bullshit on this site again. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372
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Postby The Orson Empire » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:20 pm

Mega City 5 wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Saying all Muslims should be banned from a certain country is racist. You cannot generalize an entire ethic group based on the actions of a few bad apples.


Forgive me if I'm not particularly convinced by your cries of "racism."

The effects/consequences of Islamic immigration, the impact of letting Muslims into Europe and the US is undeniable.

Again, I repeat:

Sweden is the rape capital of Europe. It would be the rape capital of the world, but South Africa, I believe, currently holds that title.

And again:

Do you accept that argument from the NRA?

Please provide some credible statistics to show this "impact".

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Postby Mega City 5 » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:20 pm

Geilinor wrote:Are you against the amount of immigration or the existence of Muslims in the West?


I'm against the very existence of Islam in the West. History tells us that Islam is dangerous. Muslims are dangerous. They have always been and continue to be a threat against the West.

You deny this? Open up a history book.

But let's ignore this. Even barring that, is it wise to let so many uneducated Muslims from the Middle East, in which these sorts of crimes are very common, into the West?

Is it really surprising that Europe is going to Hell in a hand-basket because of these people?

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Postby Geilinor » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:21 pm

Mega City 5 wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Are you against the amount of immigration or the existence of Muslims in the West?


I'm against the very existence of Islam in the West. History tells us that Islam is dangerous. Muslims are dangerous. They have always been and continue to be a threat against the West.

You deny this? Open up a history book.

But let's ignore this. Even barring that, is it wise to let so many uneducated Muslims from the Middle East, in which these sorts of crimes are very common, into the West?

Is it really surprising that Europe is going to Hell in a hand-basket because of these people?

How can you banish Islam from the West and what grounds do you have for branding all Muslims as terrorists?
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Postby Mega City 5 » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:22 pm

Geilinor wrote:Not that "rape capital" bullshit on this site again. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372


Your news article is from 2012. It's horribly outdated.

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Postby New confederate ramenia » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:22 pm

Mega City 5 wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Saying all Muslims should be banned from a certain country is racist. You cannot generalize an entire ethic group based on the actions of a few bad apples.


Forgive me if I'm not particularly convinced by your cries of "racism."

The effects/consequences of Islamic immigration, the impact of letting Muslims into Europe and the US is undeniable.

Again, I repeat:

Sweden is the rape capital of Europe. It would be the rape capital of the world, but South Africa, I believe, currently holds that title.

And again:

Do you accept that argument from the NRA?

The issues with Islam in Europe are caused by the way liberal European governments handle Muslims. And any reasonable person should accept that argument from the NRA, because it's entirely valid.
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New confederate ramenia wrote:Because it would be unconstitutional to remove them from the US.


Ever hear about Operation Wetback?

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Postby Geilinor » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:23 pm

Mega City 5 wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Not that "rape capital" bullshit on this site again. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372


Your news article is from 2012. It's horribly outdated.

Three years and four months is not "horribly outdated". I've debated with you before, you are not getting one by me.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:23 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:Saying all Muslims should be banned from a certain country is racist. You cannot generalize an entire ethic group based on the actions of a few bad apples.

Banning Muslims is not racist. By definition.
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Postby MacFee » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:24 pm

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The Orson Empire wrote:Saying all Muslims should be banned from a certain country is racist. You cannot generalize an entire ethic group based on the actions of a few bad apples.

Banning Muslims is not racist. By definition.


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Postby The Orson Empire » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:25 pm

Galloism wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Saying all Muslims should be banned from a certain country is racist. You cannot generalize an entire ethic group based on the actions of a few bad apples.

Banning Muslims is not racist. By definition.

Such a law would probably end up banning all Arabs, which is probably what the OP is referring to.

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Postby Galloism » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:25 pm

MacFee wrote:
Galloism wrote:Banning Muslims is not racist. By definition.


Hallelujah, my brother.

Quite.

It's bigoted.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:25 pm

Mega City 5 wrote:Why do liberals think that it's a good idea to permit Muslims to immigrate into the West in such massive numbers?

Because their homes, livelihoods, and families are being destroyed.
Conservatives have been insisting, over and over again, that if we let in Muslims into the US and Europe, we are going to see more crime, more terrorism, and more problems for us.

And they have supplied zero evidence for that.
The liberals, of course, seem to think that this won't happen, and imply that we are bigots and racists for even thinking that.

Well, I'd like to see how that isn't bigoted or racist, considering "Muslim" is being equated with "Arab" and vice versa.
Well, lo and behold, there are more and more Muslims in Europe, and we are seeing more and more crime, more rape, and a whole bunch of other problems that didn't use to be there. Sweden is the rape capital of Europe because of Muslims.

I don't see a rise in crime. And I'd like to see a study tying rape in Sweden to Muslim immigration.
And when we point out things like this, liberals seem to have no coherent answer for us. The most that you people can muster is: "But it's only a small minority. Most of them aren't like that. If you want to get rid of all of them because of the actions of a few, then you are a racist!"

Well, that is racist. Care to explain how it isn't?
Meanwhile, of course, they would never accept this argument from the NRA: "But only a small minority of guns are used for illegal activities. Most gun owners are responsible. If you want to pass stricter laws for all gun-owners because of the actions of a few, then you are anti-freedom, anti-self defense and anti-constitution!"

I accept that.
The simple fact is this:

"Small minority" or not, Europe (and soon, I bet, the US) is facing problems that it didn't have to face before, and the cause of these problems is Islamic immigration.

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They need to get out and stay out. Period. End of story.

:rofl: Including Muslim citizens?
You disagree with me? Then that just tells me that you value this "diversity" liberal nonsense more than you actually value law, order and safety.

"If you disagree with me, you're an idiot!" isn't a very convincing argument.
So, again, I ask you:

Why do you think this is a good idea? What are your arguments in favor of this?

Because their homes, livelihoods, and families are being destroyed.
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Postby MacFee » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:26 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:
Mega City 5 wrote:
Forgive me if I'm not particularly convinced by your cries of "racism."

The effects/consequences of Islamic immigration, the impact of letting Muslims into Europe and the US is undeniable.

Again, I repeat:

Sweden is the rape capital of Europe. It would be the rape capital of the world, but South Africa, I believe, currently holds that title.

And again:

Do you accept that argument from the NRA?

The issues with Islam in Europe are caused by the way liberal European governments handle Muslims. And any reasonable person should accept that argument from the NRA, because it's entirely valid.
MacFee wrote:
Ever hear about Operation Wetback?

Not all immigration is illegal immigration.


Well obviously, but can't we at least let the Arab Christians in?
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:26 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Galloism wrote:Banning Muslims is not racist. By definition.

Such a law would probably end up banning all Arabs, which is probably what the OP is referring to.

Eh, dunno.

Of course, I'm not sure how you test it someone's Muslim or not. Make them eat pork maybe?
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