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Would or would you not consider appointing Obama to the US Supreme Court.

I would consider appointing Obama to the US Supreme Court.
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I would absolutely not consider appointing Obama to the US Supreme Court.
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Postby Kauthar » Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:54 am

You mean to be tried by the supreme court?
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Postby Nickel Empire » Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:56 am

I first thought this was to try Obama by the supreme court for some reason.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:31 pm

Kauthar wrote:You mean to be tried by the supreme court?

SCOTUS isn't a trial court.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:34 pm

I'd be okay with it.
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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:17 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:SCOTUS isn't a trial court.


Sure it is, assuming that in the time since I last checked Barrack Obama has become a state being sued by another state or a representative of a foreign government.
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Postby Kernen » Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:20 pm

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Keynsinia wrote:Awful idea. The man is a second-rate lawyer with no respect for the rule of law or the restraints of the Constitution. Any vote he made would be under some agenda, an extremely stretched interpretation of the 14th amendment, or an outright denial of the Second and 10th.

So, because he wants to stop gun violence by add more gun control, he is against the second amendment? Gun rights are important, but they are not as important as the right to life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


Gun ownership is an enumerated right. The right to life is not, and is highly suspect considering a number of policies. Moreover, one can enshrine the former without compromising the latter.

However, none of this is relevant to the discussion at hand. You might try one of the gun control threads.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:01 pm

Kernen wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:So, because he wants to stop gun violence by add more gun control, he is against the second amendment? Gun rights are important, but they are not as important as the right to life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


Gun ownership is an enumerated right. The right to life is not, and is highly suspect considering a number of policies. Moreover, one can enshrine the former without compromising the latter.

However, none of this is relevant to the discussion at hand. You might try one of the gun control threads.


"Owning a gun is a right, but not getting killed by one isn't."
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Postby Nariterrr » Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:02 pm

Kernen wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:So, because he wants to stop gun violence by add more gun control, he is against the second amendment? Gun rights are important, but they are not as important as the right to life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


Gun ownership is an enumerated right. The right to life is not, and is highly suspect considering a number of policies. Moreover, one can enshrine the former without compromising the latter.

However, none of this is relevant to the discussion at hand. You might try one of the gun control threads.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are unalienable rights. Gun ownership is not.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:34 pm

Nariterrr wrote:
Kernen wrote:
Gun ownership is an enumerated right. The right to life is not, and is highly suspect considering a number of policies. Moreover, one can enshrine the former without compromising the latter.

However, none of this is relevant to the discussion at hand. You might try one of the gun control threads.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are unalienable rights. Gun ownership is not.

The Declaration of Independence is a Constitutional Amendment?

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Postby Nariterrr » Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:37 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are unalienable rights. Gun ownership is not.

The Declaration of Independence is a Constitutional Amendment?

No, but it guarantees unalienable rights which trump government and law. Why do you think we celebrate the signing of the Declaration of Independence and not the singing of the Constitution?
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Postby The Great Devourer of All » Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:38 pm

If he felt like it he might be a good one, but really, the man's been through eight years with four international military conflicts and a few diplomatic and economic ones, multiple legacy-worthy social and diplomatic changes at home and abroad, and constant ridicule from half the nation and parts of the world, with Republicans blocking virtually anything remotely associated with him or his approval.

He needs some R&R, and by that I mean Retirement And Relaxation.
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Postby Nariterrr » Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:40 pm

The Great Devourer of All wrote:If he felt like it he might be a good one, but really, the man's been through eight years with four international military conflicts and a few diplomatic and economic ones, multiple legacy-worthy social and diplomatic changes at home and abroad, and constant ridicule from half the nation and parts of the world, with Republicans blocking virtually anything remotely associated with him or his approval.

He needs some R&R, and by that I mean Retirement And Relaxation.

True, but he would make a good justice.
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Postby The Great Devourer of All » Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:42 pm

Nariterrr wrote:
The Great Devourer of All wrote:If he felt like it he might be a good one, but really, the man's been through eight years with four international military conflicts and a few diplomatic and economic ones, multiple legacy-worthy social and diplomatic changes at home and abroad, and constant ridicule from half the nation and parts of the world, with Republicans blocking virtually anything remotely associated with him or his approval.

He needs some R&R, and by that I mean Retirement And Relaxation.

True, but he would make a good justice.

Perhaps, although I imagine it would take a while to get used to the differences between being a President and being a Justice. Not to mention how half the Republican party would virtually split from the nation and the other half would be mildly pissy for a few years.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:25 pm

Nariterrr wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:The Declaration of Independence is a Constitutional Amendment?

No, but it guarantees unalienable rights which trump government and law. Why do you think we celebrate the signing of the Declaration of Independence and not the singing of the Constitution?

The DoI doesn't do that, the DoI lists the reasons for declaring independence, getting reluctant colonists to realize loyalty to the crown was a lost cause, the grievances against the mad king, and to encourage other nations to help. The Bill of Rights lists protected enumerated rights.

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Postby Distruzio » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:27 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Let the man rest.


Agreed.
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Postby Brandenbourg-Anhalt » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:29 pm

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If you appoint me as a Supreme Court justice, then bring a case alleging that Supreme Court justices must wear giant fruit-based hats, I will vote to agree, especially if Scalia remains on the bench.

To be absolutely inappropriate, I am just looking forward to the day Scalia drops dead :P
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Postby Kernen » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:32 pm

Nariterrr wrote:Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are unalienable rights. Gun ownership is not.

Not according to the Constitution. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness aren't specifically enshrined in any constitutional amendment, and can be taken away, provided one's due process rights are met. That's why we have the death penalty and incarceration. Incidentally, so can gun rights, but those are specifically enumerated. If you wish to better discuss this, take it here.

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"Owning a gun is a right, but not getting killed by one isn't."


Kinda funny how that works, huh? From a Constitutional perspective, it certainly does seem that way, the right to life not being anywhere. I suppose it's because the right to own a gun is protected from intrusion by the state in the 2nd Amendment, whereas being killed by another citizen is an issue for the state.
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Postby Aidannadia » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:33 pm

Well, Taft did it. He has a background as a constitutional lawyer... (I believe?) and he could definitely look into becoming a judge.

I wouldn't mind it, but I don't think it will happen foor another.... 10-20 years?
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Postby Kernen » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:36 pm

Aidannadia wrote:Well, Taft did it. He has a background as a constitutional lawyer... (I believe?) and he could definitely look into becoming a judge.

I wouldn't mind it, but I don't think it will happen foor another.... 10-20 years?


He wouldn't be reliably impartial on important issues as a justice, and is entirely too politicized a figure to be an impartial judge at the federal level. There are many more moderate liberal candidates available to choose from.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:39 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Kauthar wrote:You mean to be tried by the supreme court?

SCOTUS isn't a trial court.

There are a handful of times SCOTUS is.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1251

Also the chief justice does have a part in impeachment trials when the trial involves POTUS.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:40 pm

Aidannadia wrote:Well, Taft did it. He has a background as a constitutional lawyer... (I believe?) and he could definitely look into becoming a judge.

I wouldn't mind it, but I don't think it will happen foor another.... 10-20 years?

He could run for Congress. John Quincy Adams did.
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Postby Aidannadia » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:44 pm

Kernen wrote:He wouldn't be reliably impartial on important issues as a justice, and is entirely too politicized a figure to be an impartial judge at the federal level. There are many more moderate liberal candidates available to choose from.

Why do you believe he wouldn't be reliably impartial on important issues?

@Second part: I'm sure. That's a fair assesment.

Farnhamia wrote:He could run for Congress. John Quincy Adams did.

Yes, he could pull a poor old JQA. But at the same time, imagine this:

>By some miracle he is named Speaker.
>Crackpot theories ensue. Eebul gubment Obammer wunts to rool 3rd term.
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Postby Greater North American Union » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:47 pm

Aidannadia wrote:
Kernen wrote:He wouldn't be reliably impartial on important issues as a justice, and is entirely too politicized a figure to be an impartial judge at the federal level. There are many more moderate liberal candidates available to choose from.

Why do you believe he wouldn't be reliably impartial on important issues?

@Second part: I'm sure. That's a fair assesment.

Farnhamia wrote:He could run for Congress. John Quincy Adams did.

Yes, he could pull a poor old JQA. But at the same time, imagine this:

>By some miracle he is named Speaker.
>Crackpot theories ensue. Eebul gubment Obammer wunts to rool 3rd term.


I mean to be fair Putin did set the precedent.
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Postby Nariterrr » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:47 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Aidannadia wrote:Well, Taft did it. He has a background as a constitutional lawyer... (I believe?) and he could definitely look into becoming a judge.

I wouldn't mind it, but I don't think it will happen foor another.... 10-20 years?

He could run for Congress. John Quincy Adams did.

Why would he run for Congress?
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